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  1. 1. Women and Children

    • I would like to see women and children in the milsim.
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    • I wouldn't like to see women and children in the milsim.
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Why are there no women or children in ArmA, are even the new DLC. Just having men running around is unrealistic.  

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Because they would need a completely new set of animations and gears and verything and that's just not worth the effort...

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A quick search of the forum will return quite a few results on this topic. It has been a popular subject since the games release in 2013. It is quite understandable why there are no kids in the game, the females on the other hand... my best guess would be it was a business decision. 

Thankfully, talented people like @zeealex and @HorribleGoat are working to correct this. 

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Not voting because in my opinion...

 

Children? No. Just no.

 

Women? Yes, preferably with both civilian and military counterparts. I understand however that uniforms may be an issue and can see why they might not want to include them for military roles.

 

EDIT: I should mention I don't care more or less about women dying compared to men. We're human either way with equal value.

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I'm abstaining from the vote because i dont feel children should be represented however i do think women should be included in a military and civilian capacity and honestly given that many countries allow women to serve in combat now i dont see a reason to not do it.

 

Could it be challenging to implement? Yes. But you've got to attempt new and challenging stuff to keep things fresh... We had female Civs in A2. Why the step backwards?

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Men are expendable thus no one cares when us blokes get wiped out in the masses, but women getting wiped out on the masses... yeah good luck with that.

 

Children, yea good luck with that also, practically 0 chance of that every happening

 

EDIT: If Women are happy to get slaughtered as much as men do, then by all means add then. But if they just want to get added for the sake of equality, but don't like the sight of piles of dead women, then just go back to men only. 

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6 hours ago, Night515 said:

Children? No. Just no.

 

Children? I'll second to that. Children have no place in a game like Arma. I remember MGS had them, and though you couldn't kill them, and doing so would result in immediate mission failure, it depicted how the world really is. Child soldiers do exist, although I don't see the reason to have them in game. 

 

However, no women in A3 has been hugely discussed topic since the release of the game. I don't see the need of women in squads et cetera, however, to be able to add them as civilians, would be IMHO a nice addition. 

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I  guess I should have been more clear on the roll of women and children. I am not advocating for the women and children to be combatants. But as by standards to the horrors of war. Victims of the events that taking place around them. Weather like it or not. Women and children bare a heavier effect in war than men, through rape and enslavement. If BI wish to make a humanitarian DLC, than where is the other 2/3 of the world population? To me this is a message of sexism and dismissal to remove 2/3 of an population because it will make a butch of milsimers uneasy. If BI promote this platform on realism, than lets have realism. Again I'm not asking for the 2/3 to be combatants, civilians only. Women and children are the one's who make up the majority of humanitarian camps point blank. 

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Children: No way. Not because they might be misused as combatants but simply because they could get shot. And this would go too far IMO.

 

Women: Definitely and I don't get why BI has not yet created them for Arma 3. Especially in a civilian oriented DLC as Rules of War I would have expected them to show up. I used many female roles in my Arma 2 projects (not as combatants per se but as civilians) and it definitely was an enrichment to the series.

 

BI, if you read this - please earmark this for Arma 4! :exclamation: :rthumb:

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Definitly would like to see women in the future game as it would add greatly to the immersion on the inhabitants of Altis. Combat or not its fine by me :D although expecting them to arrive in Arma 3? Nope. Definitely as it would take too much time. There is ZeeAlex with her female mod so you can use it as an alternative.

 

But one thing is the children, Big no from me as if the children get shot then definitely the damn media would go over the whole game and lash out to the developers which wouldn't be really splendid... Especially if they are used as combatants since people can make mods and definitely there would be that one guy who does that. Il abstain from voting.

 

keep in mind the developers had no time nor resources to make females and I swear I remember seeing an old image which had a female swimming in an ocean in Arma 3 which was probably in early stages... They aren't sexist and most definitely the developers are the greatest so accusing them of attempting to convey a 'message' is not very nice.

 

P.S: Man or Woman or children suffers equally in war. None of them suffers less or more. 

 

In in terms of the laws of war? If there was females I wouldn't really care and lower my fire same case with a man. Sure I would attempt to not hit them but I'm not going to suddenly stop then get blasted in the head by a rifleman :P

 

Oh and there is already multiple threads literally pertaining to the same topic, might wanna search before creating another one :) I think I got carried away sorry for the long post!

 

EDIT: I should mention that you would probably look at the civilian for 2 seconds then completely forget she exists and proceed with your tasks given.

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There seems to be a feeling that myself and others want women characters added for "equality reasons" and that it has nothing to do with the growing reality of women serving on the front lines and in some countries even being conscripted into the armed forces. We have women serving with the Kurdish Peshmerga in Iraq and Syria and some countries such as Sweden having all combat roles open to both men and women.

The reality of the modern world is such that women have served in combat and will in all probability continue to serve, arguing that female soldiers shouldn't be represented is in my honest opinion silly.

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On 8/13/2017 at 11:35 PM, Hamakaze said:

myself and others want women characters added for "equality reasons" and that it has nothing to do with the growing reality of women serving on the front lines

Arguably, this reality exists due to "equality reasons". Well, if one considers the word "reason" applicable to that situation.

 

IMO BI should stay out of this trend. If they have resources to implement women as an asset in game so that some guys can pretend that they have a Gaddaffi-style all-female bodyguard unit consisting completely from characters of their favorite gun-related manga - fine by me, I think one friend of mine would enjoy that.

But for the sake of all that's holy, let us keep all this toxic, emotional and oftentimes delusional minority-equality-oppression stuff out of the game in the same way that we managed to keep the politics out. If BI starts to push this female (or whatever else "moral") agenda into the game, I'm boycotting it. Not because I consider a thought of equal female performance on the battlefield to be a wishful thinking of some deluded individuals, but because there's more than just two male and female genders, obviously able-bodied and apparently cis-gendered at that. Not to mention all the heightism and fat-shaming that runs rampant through the series since its inception. And don't get me started on russophobia and anti-socialism. Remember that Arma 1 campaign filled with white supremacist sentiment that POC can't solve their problems on their own? In short, stop oppressing minorities, you inconsiderate racist bigots.

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On 8/13/2017 at 8:13 PM, masonddg87 said:

Weather like it or not. Women and children bare a heavier effect in war than men, through rape and enslavement.

I wouldn't compare being raped to being permanently disabled or killed, which is something that affects an awful lot more men than women in times of war.

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I just kind of assumed that all the women and children, and most of the men, just fled the war torn islands, which kinda happens in reality - not all, but I'd assume most flee the wars if physically able.  So doesn't really bother me that neither exist in-game.  

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The laws of war DLC seems even more incomplete to me without women than the base game.

But to be honest there isn't enough diversity in the men either... I appreciate that there are animation issues but a world populated solely by men all the same height and build seems more and more jarring. It's like they're robots.. As game graphics get better and more realistic this stuff gets more noticeable.

I really think they need to sort this out for arma 4, planning it in from the start would probably be easier than adding it later, with mocap sessions etc...

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Children in shooter games have been a controversy ever since.

BI most likely decides against this because it will cause huge issues with the ESRB and their other local counterparts clearing the game.

 

Ah well, as long as one can shoot/execute/drown/run over/blow up unarmed civs it's all fun and games.

 

Cheers

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Personally I don't mind kids in this game. I fully understand the decision to not have them and I will not argue about it, I'm just not emotional about it.

 

But women should/must be ingame! Both as civilians and combatants. We have women serving, we have women as guerilla and we have women as civilians. They should be ingame for authenticity. I liked to see an old lady walk to her house in a Chernarus village. To old and stubborn to move despite the conflict.

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Children in Arma, yeah why not.. Give us something to shoot at while we wait around.

As for women, they're already shooting us in A2..

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10 hours ago, chrisb said:

Children in Arma, yeah why not.. Give us something to shoot at while we wait around.

 

Kids in Arma 3...can't wait for some news network (*cough* DailyFail *cough*) to release an article after some Altis/Tanoa Life player makes a video that has footage of in-game kids being shot.

 

The next thing you see is:

"Czech Game Developers Distribute Game That Allows Players To Execute Western Children"

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Just literally f-ing imagine what people would do if there were women in the game, not to even mention it's not worth the effort. It's not like vanilla arma even has civilian interaction.

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We had women in arma (OFP), armed assault and Arma2. Never saw something spectacular except believable scenarios. Vanilla arma had civilian interaction, but I guess it kinda died in Arma3 due to no alice module (and no women?).

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Y'know, to solve the issue of having to change models to fit female anatomy and all that stuff to add women, there's one very easy fix: traps.

 

I'm sorry I'll go.

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Well, as far as I know BIS tried that already, since the first pictures showed a person swimming, wearing a bikini, while looking very male body wise. Also all mods work that way currently. 

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13 hours ago, SpacePilotMax said:

Just literally f-ing imagine what people would do if there were women in the game, not to even mention it's not worth the effort. It's not like vanilla arma even has civilian interaction.

My imagination is a bit bland, care to help out by elaborating what you mean by this?

Not worth the effort? What? Are you playing pvp gamemodes exclusively? Good for you.

 

The only thing vanilla arma is good for, is to play through official campaigns and make missions that require no mods.

For everything else there's scripts to enhance the gameplay experience and mods to enhance diversity/assets.

@HorribleGoat and @zeealex are working on pristine mods for female models, yet I still hope that BI will someday introduce female civilians for mission makers sake.

The incoming laws of war dlc just showcases how bland these missions are without any variety amongst the civilians (putting females aside), every dude has the same physique, weight/height, those slightly overweight villager/farmer guys from A2 are gone, it's now all samey samey with only the hatchback and the water scooter being a civilian exclusive vehicle. Motorcycles and Bicycles are yet to be seen, one of the best vehicles for scouting/light recon missions. You don't need those for PvP gamemodes I guess.

 

Making missions that involve a bit of authenticity back in A2 was great fun to me, since it was extremely easy to accomplish.

Place a few civilians, put down the ALICE module and you had civilians walk around, even talk to each other(!).

On top of that you could ask them about enemy movement. All vanilla functionality in A2.

You could even ask them about nearby towns/villages and they'd give you spoken directions and even mention the town by name.

This was absolutely outstanding if you ask me.

 

Anything like that in arma 3? Nope.

At least civilians can use drones now, which was a long time request from altis life/wasteland/other pvp gamemode communities.

 

Cheers

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