ARMA 2: Private Military Company (ARMA 2: PMC) DLC

[AnimalMother92 10]

Eh? I love MGS4. One of my favs after OA of course :D

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

Vilas, the world runs on money. It's cheaper for a government to hire in PMCs than it is to deploy their own troops and so this will continue for the forseeable future.

I'm sure that PMCs would have a much harder time recruiting contractors if they could earn a decent wage in the army but the sad fact is that most soldiers are paid peanuts. I work as an independant contractor in IT, I earn considerably more than a soldier deployed in a combat zone who suffers imminent and constant risk of death for their country. Why shouldn't people who are clearly meant to be soldiers get paid properly for the use of their specialist skills?

[vilas 477]

cause it is no moral - simply

if you live in country and other army attack your land - it is reason to fight and kill them (look at WW2, Hitler, countries were attacked by Nazis , countries defended and fought )

but when you are among attackers of other nation - not , cause than you becoming Hitler

simply

"Vilas, the world runs on money" < thats why it is wrong, drug-dealers, burglars, bitches, pick pockets also run on money

invading is as bad as colonialism and most disgusting is mercenaries presence

Edited November 5, 2010 by vilas

[ray243 11]

Why does everyone make PMCs sound like murderers? They are just security guards.

[vilas 477]

Why does everyone make PMCs sound like murderers? They are just security guards.

cause they do it for money, not for defending freedom of own country against aggression from other country

look at WW2

Nazi Germany Reich (Hitler) attacked Poland, France , other countries, co countries defended, later SS was having death camps, killing milions of people , so killing Nazis Germans or Japanese or other cooperating troops then was okay, cause they were leading death camps, gas-murdered people, burning villages, towns etc.

compare it to situation when man shot to Iraqis on THEIR OWN territory (not on US territory, as far as i know A-Stan and Iraq is not 53-rd or 54-th state but 10000 miles away from DC, so people hired for MONEY who shoot to locals are killers , they not defending against aggression from abroad )

Edited November 5, 2010 by vilas

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

I would love to be able to see the world in black and white like Vilas but I've lived long enough and seen enough to know that everything is shades of grey with brown spots where the shit has hit it. It's a cliche I know but we can't all live in a socialist paradise where money isn't required and everything is provided by the state.

As for stating that attacking a country makes you Hitler that's just nuts. If a country is a real threat to the rest of the world then should we just sit back and take it? It's all about picking a lesser evil.

Anything short of utopia is ultimately bad in some way Vilas, deal with it.

Ray243 has it right, PMCs are just glorified security guards with better kit. I wonder Vilas do you feel the same about police officers who leave their jobs to be private detectives or security consultants?

[myshaak 0]

I don't think looking at it from the political point of view and comparing it to oh-so-evil nazis is not exactly correct. A lot of soldiers in Wehrmacht didn't agree with Hitler's agenda, but they had to fight anyway. And so I think it is fair to assume that not every foreign soldier in Iraq is like "Hooray, let's establish the US-type democracy in this god-forsaken lands!" instead of "Why the F am I here? Even though I am helping, the locals are not happy to see me. I don't understand this at all, I'd rather be at home with my family."

It's very narrow-minded to think that killing in the name of government is different to killing in the name of PMC. Face it, both US Soldier and PMC Contractor kill for the money, it's just that the US Soldier gets less in exchange for the feeling of "helping my county, the president, uncle Sam and FREEDOM (half of the face blue emoticon)!"

EDIT: Plus, who do you think hires the PMC? You didn't think they were there just for fun and to help other nation's forces just out of good will? They are financed by governments too and it is a damn good deal. They don't have to pay the annual upkeep of soldiers like they have to with regular army, so it is cheaper. And when something goes bad, there will not be any media storm and no pressure to "get our sons and fathers home!" because the public doesn't care about PMC, who are usually portrayed just as some trigger-happy maniacs.

Edited November 5, 2010 by Myshaak
typo

[vilas 477]

"And when something goes bad, there will not be any media storm and no pressure to "get our sons and fathers home!""

exactly

so public WILL NOT push government to stop war and maintain peace, now you understand ?

more PMC - less chance for peace (for people in other Continent)

army - people will force governments to stop wars

what stooped some wars - people , voters strikes against war !!

it is important, to stop killing an destroying - voters can do that by "bring our sons home"

PMC won't make big noise in public and governments of US or other country will be attacking anyone anytime without protest of people from US

only army presence makes protest against NWO governments actions which hurt poor people inside or abroad

"Why the F am I here? Even though I am helping, the locals are not happy to see me. I don't understand this at all, I'd rather be at home with my family."

thanx to this we have chance for peace and less suffering cause such soldier can see truth, that his government is evil and greed , not bringing peace and freedom to others, voters will strike against war and there will be more peace ,

PMCs do not think like that , so there is no chance for less suffering in this globe

Edited November 5, 2010 by vilas

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

Vilas the only way world peace can be achieved and sustained is for everywhere on the planet to be under one government and one economy. Until that happens there will always be wars of some kind, it's human nature.

I'm not advocating someone's bid for world domination here, just pointing out some undeniable facts of life.

[myshaak 0]

"And when something goes bad, there will not be any media storm and no pressure to "get our sons and fathers home!""

exactly

so public WILL NOT push government to stop war and maintain peace, now you understand ?

more PMC - less chance for peace (for people in other Continent)

army - people will force governments to stop wars

what stooped some wars - people , voters strikes against war !!

it is important, to stop killing an destroying - voters can do that by "bring our sons home"

PMC won't make big noise in public and governments of US or other country will be attacking anyone anytime without protest of people from US

only army presence makes protest against NWO governments actions which hurt poor people inside or abroad

"Why the F am I here? Even though I am helping, the locals are not happy to see me. I don't understand this at all, I'd rather be at home with my family."

thanx to this we have chance for peace and less suffering cause such soldier can see truth, that his government is evil and greed , not bringing peace and freedom to others, voters will strike against war and there will be more peace ,

PMCs do not think like that , so there is no chance for less suffering in this globe

Both interesting points, but I don't see it working like this in reality. When the state is at war, soldiers can't say "That's it, I quit. My president has been a baad president." I didn't serve but I'm pretty sure Army is anything but democratic like that. Plus, If the government always did anything the public wants it to do, nothing would ever get done. Sometimes the diplomacy fails and some sacrifices needs to be made. You do know that ALL american citizens (except for those with Japanese ancestors, but that's a different story) were against the USA joining the WW2? If the government was so uber-democratic, neither me or you would be living and talking to each other (not in English or our native languages anyway :p).

Vilas the only way world peace can be achieved and sustained is for everywhere on the planet to be under one government and one economy. Until that happens there will always be wars of some kind, it's human nature.

I'm not advocating someone's bid for world domination here, just pointing out some undeniable facts of life.

Well, all I can say is two words: European Union. It worked fine while it was just an economic union, but now when the EU presidency got (and is still getting) more political powers, it's slowly heading towards its doom. And that was a just a union of states with very similar cultures and same (or no) religion. There is no way a global state with one government would work.

Edited November 5, 2010 by Myshaak
typos again

[Jezuro 452]

the narrator says the contractor is Russian i believe

Chernarussian ;)

[jeza 5416]

Was browsing through the ION Inc. website shown in the video, one quote caught my eye.

''challenging environments, including highly successful recent operations in the Aleutian Islands and Tajikistan.''

Not sure if it has been in a passed bis game or if its a future map dlc or what? maybe just to help with realism to have a real island, i dunno, thought id share it with you all anyways :)

Regards Jeza

[cjph 0]

Oops - getting a bit heavy for me - I only came to post that I now want an AA-12. Would sort out the moles in my garden in a jiffy.

cj

[ProfTournesol 956]

As for stating that attacking a country makes you Hitler that's just nuts. If a country is a real threat to the rest of the world then should we just sit back and take it?

Everybody knows, even GWB, that Irak was obviously not a "threat to the rest of the world". A threat to the rest of the world is a country deciding by itself that it should attack another country which isn't a direct threat to its own safety.

Sorry for OT.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

I never said anything about Iraq specifically, we all know that the only real evidence for WMD was the receipt that the CIA had from when they sold the stuff to Saddam in the first place.

A global state would work, we just have to dissolve the senate and give the regional governers direct control...

Anyway... Back on topic. Really looking forward to that aa-12 and proper shotgun ballistics. KABOOOM BABY.

[Shadow NX 1]

Did i miss anything or was this the thread for the new BIS PMC DLC?

If anyone wants to discuss the pros and contras of real life PMCs he should do that in the offtopic section.

And now lets hope BIS releases some new teasers soon... today maybe?

Oh i would so wish for a pimped out AK74M to come along with the Kasatka and the Soviet type UAV that was shown before

Edited November 5, 2010 by Shadow NX

[road runner 4344]

Vila you couldn't be more wrong, what are you basing your statements on? Personal experience within the PMC Industry?

The Primary role for a PSD is to PROTECT..whether that be people, or infrastructure, it's a legitimate Industry..we don't go out killing people just for shits and giggles, but we have a right to defend ourselves, same as you do if someone assaults you..

BIS should have realised the whole PMC issue is a delicate subject, those with knowledge know what we do, those without read novels

I've not killed any women,children or babies this week, been too busy giving them food and water we didn't eat or drink...Hearts and Minds also works a treat within the Private sector.. ;)

[bascule42 10]

we just have to dissolve the senate and give the regional governers direct control...

...lol...and sweep away the last remnents of the Old Republic.

[Zipper5 74]

Stay on topic, guys. This thread is for discussion about the PMC DLC, not about real-world Private Military Contractors.

[That guy 10]

Was browsing through the ION Inc. website shown in the video, one quote caught my eye.

''challenging environments, including highly successful recent operations in the Aleutian Islands and Tajikistan.''

Not sure if it has been in a passed bis game or if its a future map dlc or what? maybe just to help with realism to have a real island, i dunno, thought id share it with you all anyways

no, its more poking fun at FPDR

the aleutian islands are where CM got the "skira" island, and since FPDR RR will be based in tajikistan... note, the HIGHLY SUCCESSFUL bit :p

also, I dont believe i have ever heard some one use the term "private military contractor" who knew what they were talking about.

a private military contractor is ANYONE who is contracted to work for the military. that means the KBR guys who fix my air conditioner, work fuel points, work the PX's, and the amco guys who serve me chow and maintain the buildings.

a private SECURITY contractor is the dude who gets paid 10x more money than me to do an easier job with less hassle and less danger.

[Alwarren 2767]

soon id tagged soldiers will be using id tagged weapons and carrying id tagged gear.

IIRC I read somewhere (Wikipedia?) that one of the planned features of the XM8 (subsequently dropped) was a logging facility that would log every shot fired from the weapon, including time and date.

[bugkill 7]

Hmmm I've been contracting in Iraq since 2004 and this video echoes far too much on real incidents involving Blackwater (Xe) personnel, and there's a LOT of things too close to the bone in regards to the outcome of Court cases regarding the 4 BSC guys slain in Fallujah.....that video was a little bit disturbing in the similarities.... don't know if that was the intention, but I was in Iraq when it happened and it seems odd that it's "almost" identical to real events.....I'll still buy it, but it sent a chill down my spine....

Contractors have been part and parcel in the US for a while now, I believe there were civilian contractors employed during WW2, and today they are a cheaper alternative and free up Combat troops to do what they do best........FIGHT!!!

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Not anymore they can't there's restrictions on calibres and types of weapons and every single weapon HAS to be MOI registered, and you have to have an MOI weapons card to carry it...

You have to have an arming authority as well..it's been like this for a few years now, and the guy who shot the insurgent in the ass is a friend of mine, and anyone caught using NON Issued ammo will be punished, sure back in 2003-2006 it was the Wild West at times, not any more, you follow rules and Iraqi Law, and if you dont have the correct paperwork, you're going to spend some time inside an Iraqi Prison and Uncle Sam ain't gonna come and help you ;)

Yeah, I know about the changes since the iraqi government got more established, but that don't mean that PMC companies can't do it in other places. Remember, the game is not set in Iraq, so I think that the PMC should have a variety of different types of weapons and maybe even some new ammo types that are more lethal.

But good post on the changes, bro.

[Shadow NX 1]

I cna only hope for a bit variety like few years ago, a mix of weapons and among them tuned up AKs or even PKMs, if they have Kasatkas as transport then hopefully also some more eastern stuff like weapons.

I remember a pic of a russian PMC that was wearing a VDV beret and used a PKM which looked pretty badass.

But as said for me at least one AK74M would do :)

[Mojo 0]

As you can see HERE, even Takistan's leadership have begun the crack down. PSC's and PMC's like Shasha International and Riverstone Inc. have had to curtail many of their actions recently. ION Inc has shown some pretty interesting improvements in their method of operation, but a company like Shashka can and has already been there and done that, for less and with better results.

As far as the DLC is concerned, I'm sure that I haven't completed a campaign of SP since OFP, in fact, with Arma 2 and OA I never even started it. To me, the DLC is bringing new content and engine fixes - that is what makes all the difference. Is if worth $10USD to keep BIS working on engine updates and such? Damn Skippy!

[Maio 293]

Guys I doubt all the custom AK's & CO you are dreaming about will come with this DLC . But since so many requests have been made for a OPFOR DLC maybe they will come with it . So relax if you don't see that AK variation you always dream about .

I enjoyed the little speech that upper class scotsman gave at the ending . It inspired me .