Dragon Rising has been released

[Zipper5 74]

A "successful reboot" of OFP? Since when did was OFP rebooted? :confused:

[vilas 477]

this tread is open again

super, so we can bitch Dragon Rising again , nice :D

[eble 3]

no no vilas :)

DR has bitch slapped itself :)

Honestly if someone made this shit up no one would ever believe it lol

DR is left with a dangerous flaw in the GPU killing state it's in, imagine little johnny trying to find a MP game online falls asleep 3 hrs later after not finding a MP game and goes to bed.

He leaves DR on the menu screen, it melts his GPU and starts a fire...

Would be an interesting Products claims at the least :)

[vilas 477]

oops i feel sorry for people who lost PC and money cause burned because of DR

really awful

can those people sue/refund money for GPU from Codemorons ?

it is really shame that someone had burned hardware, it cost a lot of money , even if someone is rich it is a waste :/

CM not payed for misuse of "Operation Flashpoint" words, but maybe there is a chance that they will pay for GPU ?

in America there is high legal/lawyers and consumer culture sense, so maybe there is a chance that US customers who lost money due to CM can punish CM ?

cause in other countries i doubt that someone will sue CM (lower legal knowledge, lower lawyers percentage, lower law reaction, US courts are also quite known for some consumer issues cases that helped consumers , so maybe this GPU issue will be nail to CM coffin ? )

first they cheated "sequel to OFP" (OFP word made them probably 90% consumers sales and famous title in world ) now they destroy people's PC ? it should be stopped , it is "too far" :/

how much GPU burned ? is it big scale of problem or only few in whole world ???

Edited February 17, 2010 by vilas

[topas 1]

Ok, this may sound like I'm a total noob... but since I read that DR kills the GPU I thought I'd mention this and ask if this could be related;

Well; yes, I have DR, got it as a gift when it came out; installed, played less than an hour maybe and forgot about it.. Moved on to playing ArmA and other stuff like GTAIV and started to experience overheating of the card + very loud fan... which never happened while playing ArmA before; especially after having replaced my old card [stock 8800gt] with a new one [as well an 8800gt but by Palit; bigger fan etc]...

Last week I have eventually came across the DR being still installed when getting rid of an another program in the control panel and of course dumped it...

Now the card is silent again and playing ArmA became fluent on highest settings...

Seems silly as I did not even play DR; it was only sitting there on my hdd... A coincidence or is it [even slightly possible that it's] draining resources even if not launched then?

[NoRailgunner 0]

Nice... example how one can try to make profit.

On the other hand its up to the people to inform themselve before buying a product. Who forced them to buy it? Some people have to learn the hard way that advertisement and PR stunts aren't the best source to trust in.

[el_muerko 0]

loltastic

[dm 9]

You're very contradictive, maybe you dont realise it... The game has been out 1 week, and you judge CM's dedication to support the game.

BI has a history of releasing AT LEAST 8 or 9 patches per game. Codmasters has a reputation for releasing 1, maybe 2 patches, then moving on.

2 patches which fixed nothing more than the credits, but left the game with a critical overhating [meant to say "overheating", freudian slip eh] bug. 3 DLC's which dont really add much, considering it could have all been done for free with the editor anyway. And thats dev "complete".

I reserve the right to say:

Told you so :D

Edited February 17, 2010 by DM
lol typo

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

from http://www.bluesnews.com/a/1603/codemasters-studios-growth-sees-guildford-expand-new-ip-team

It's because they just got a bunch of money to bail them out. So they spin it like everything else.

"We were failing, someone gave us a bunch of cash, now we are proud to announce our new expansion!" "We need more people to make crappy games!"

Also notice they are taking the graduates and interns from the school. Which is nice and all, but wouldn't you want the smartest, and brightest to help in your recovery? They have all left!

[Bulldogs 10]

Ok, this may sound like I'm a total noob... but since I read that DR kills the GPU I thought I'd mention this and ask if this could be related;

Well; yes, I have DR, got it as a gift when it came out; installed, played less than an hour maybe and forgot about it.. Moved on to playing ArmA and other stuff like GTAIV and started to experience overheating of the card + very loud fan... which never happened while playing ArmA before; especially after having replaced my old card [stock 8800gt] with a new one [as well an 8800gt but by Palit; bigger fan etc]...

Last week I have eventually came across the DR being still installed when getting rid of an another program in the control panel and of course dumped it...

Now the card is silent again and playing ArmA became fluent on highest settings...

Seems silly as I did not even play DR; it was only sitting there on my hdd... A coincidence or is it [even slightly possible that it's] draining resources even if not launched then?

As bad as DR is, without it actually running (and keep in mind that even if it was running it would have to be patched up to the 1.02 patch) it's very very unlikely that it could effect your machine that way by just being installed. It's like that some sort of graphical memory leak or something pushed your card too hard. Restarting the machine, or just closing a few programs and letting the card rest, would likely have fixed the issue.

[vilas 477]

i am not coder, i am not hardware wise, but... Bulldogs - all that kind of VGA tweaking up software ?

you can raise in driver menu VGA speed and etc

so maybe DR changes something and tweaks up "for better performance" and even when you turned off game - it remains

is it possible ? cause everyone knows we can tweak up memory speed, GPU speed etc.

there is soft like "cool and quiet" "2core optimiser" and etc.

[gulag 10]

16/02 - Confirmation of no further patches or additional DLC

Well... DR dysentery is ended, next chapter of DR is constipated, this kind of garbage is not made to take too long.

is simply...Nice...

I do not care.

Edited February 17, 2010 by gulag

[b0b 10]

Well this is predictable news.... However i did think they would milk it futhur with dlc, didnt expect it to crash so soon. Seriously bad form there.

Mind you it just goes to show you the state of denial in the cm forums, theres even a post suggesting that the ego engine is better than real virtuality. :butbut:

I would respond to it but i got banned a while back and i dont think its even warranting the reply, plus im not that tech savvy to make an debate on it. I just go by experience ingame comparison to know that RV3 is full of win. Not to mention the rumoured tweeks the BiS devs have made to the new expansion due out will futhur enhance the milsim experience we all love.

[bascule42 10]

Anything on this page by definition does not exist.

So, Ill say with passion that DR was he best game I have ever seen, not only did it exceed my expectations, but it surpassed them ten-fold. I couldn't have dreamt of a game like this. Thanks you so much CM. Sion...you're my hero.

404..there is no spoon.

[anguis 4]

First off, thanks, Luhgnut, for keeping this thread fun (and, thanks, W0lle, for re-opening it).

Second, the language of the announcement seems to imply a potential/likely future Operation Flashpoint "chapter".

Here's to a potential/likely future Operation Flashpoint thread here in the 'Offtopic' forum! :cheers: :D

Edited February 17, 2010 by Anguis

[Bulldogs 10]

i am not coder, i am not hardware wise, but... Bulldogs - all that kind of VGA tweaking up software ?

you can raise in driver menu VGA speed and etc

so maybe DR changes something and tweaks up "for better performance" and even when you turned off game - it remains

is it possible ? cause everyone knows we can tweak up memory speed, GPU speed etc.

there is soft like "cool and quiet" "2core optimiser" and etc.

What would be required for it to happen is that DR would have to install a low level driver which would then access the hardware to mess with the video card.

Basically what's happening with DR is that it's hogging resources. It's drawing every bit of juice it can from the graphics card (even though it doesn't need it). Think of it kindof like loading up the game, and if you have resources left, then you load up the game again, and keep doing that til you run out of resources.

With this, exiting DR should free up those resources. That said, if DR was still running in the background (as a background process) then it could keep hogging the resources, but it would likely only hog the memory and still flush the video memory.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

Listen you silly people.

Dragon Rising may take up the GPU, and push it to 100%. All day long!

The initial complaint or "jump up and down with excitement" was when ONE person (name withheld but well known for being over dramatic) said that the leads to the "PEG" connectors ie. Fan power leads melted.

Okay think about it. The GPU get's pushed to 100% 4 hours. The fans kick in and try and cool it automatically. They can't. So the result is the power leads to the fans, that have nothing to do with the GPU. Fries.

Is everybody smoking something and not sharing? It's like saying your electric fans on the stove can't cool the oven, so it burns out the fan?

If the GPU was pushed so hard, the GPU would fail, not your fan. Or in this case the power leads.

It's not the GPU that's failing and frying. Nobody yet has reported a GPU failure.

Take your fans and push them to 100% and leave em there. Go to dinner, play with your magic nose goblins. Take a week off. Come back and your fans are still maxed out and not even warm. Has nothing to do with the GPU going bonkers.....

My fans have been at 100% for weeks at a time without rebooting. The only thing they say is "What's up?" Doesn't matter if the game pushes them 100% or you do it manually. 100% is 100%

Now, yeah maybe DR has a bad memory leak or won't let go of an application, but pushing your GPU making the fans turn on 100% and melting the leads..... <boggle>

Silly monkeys.

Edited February 17, 2010 by [RIP] Luhgnut

[JdB 151]

What would be required for it to happen is that DR would have to install a low level driver which would then access the hardware to mess with the video card.

Low level overclocking (of the hardware itself) is not the only option, you can also overclock by tweaking the driver settings.

[[frl]myke 14]

Sorry Lughnut, here i have to correct things a little. Might be you both are speaking from different things, leading to misundertandements.

While you're speaking about fan connectors, the "other person" speaks about Graphic card power connector. Obviously this isn't the same thing. While i agree with you that fan power cable wont surely not melt, even when running for hours at 100%, the power connector leading from PSU to the card is another chapter.

You know as we ll as i do that todays GPU draw a shyteload of power, else additional power connecter wouldn't be needed, the PCIe slot could handle it alone.

And finally, some are using adaptor cables in cases where the PSU doesn't have the needed PCIe connectors. Sure enough that there are cheap adaptors around.

Now throw all this together:

Permanent GPU load which causes permanent power consumption at max + cheap cables = possibly overheating the wire and melting the isolation.

Easily possible.

And again, i'm not speaking about fan connectors or cables also isn't the "other person".

saying all that to you in deepest respect, don't get me wrong, please.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

Sorry Lughnut, here i have to correct things a little. Might be you both are speaking from different things, leading to misundertandements.

While you're speaking about fan connectors, the "other person" speaks about Graphic card power connector. Obviously this isn't the same thing. While i agree with you that fan power cable wont surely not melt, even when running for hours at 100%, the power connector leading from PSU to the card is another chapter.

You know as we ll as i do that todays GPU draw a shyteload of power, else additional power connecter wouldn't be needed, the PCIe slot could handle it alone.

And finally, some are using adaptor cables in cases where the PSU doesn't have the needed PCIe connectors. Sure enough that there are cheap adaptors around.

Now throw all this together:

Permanent GPU load which causes permanent power consumption at max + cheap cables = possibly overheating the wire and melting the isolation.

Easily possible.

And again, i'm not speaking about fan connectors or cables also isn't the "other person".

Going to put my card on 3dBench for 24 hours and push it hard. turn my fans on auto. That outta smoke my card.

here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to run 3dmark constantly for 24 hours. Put my fans on auto. That outta smoke my card.

saying all that to you in deepest respect, don't get me wrong, please.

well, all I know is, my GPU processor runs at well over rated spec's for long periods of time. , fans on 100% power for days on days.

I know many people that run theirs on full settings much higher than mine. I have never in 23 years of PC work ever heard of a software program capable of bypassing the thermal shutdown levels in the current class of modern cards, to the point of PEG connectors melting their leads. The PVC is rated at 90C melting point. Nearly boiling. No GPU on the market today with the thermal protection built in would allow operation to the point of thermal sparking melt down.

Yeah DR is crap, but never have I ever heard of a GPU being locked so hot to melt the PEG connectors. In the older 8000 class of cards, the PEGs only powered the fans. In the current cards, the thermal protection would kick in way sooner than melting the PVC.

The point being, it doesn't matter if you take your GPU, and crank it through the roof and leave it there, for days on days, or if a game does it. In this case, the game was only running for 4-5 hours. Then to complain that a game pushed your GPU to max consumption for hours is what caused failure. If that's really what happened, (rolling my eyes), then the computer/psu/gpu was garbage in the first place. Not the games fault.

Edited February 17, 2010 by [RIP] Luhgnut

[STALKERGB 6]

And so it ends.... (maybe)

End of the updates

[Zipper5 74]

I like this post the most. Really made my day. :D

Frankly, all these CM fanbois can suck it. Their game was a fail at the beginning, remained a fail and ended as a fail. We all knew it and bashed the crap out of the game for what they were doing, and bashed the hell out of the naive supporters of the game who actually thought CM were going to continue support. Now, I can finally say

We fricken told you so!

I will be one of the first on the bandwaggon to boycott a sequel to Dragon Rising, if there ever is one.

[rekrul 7]

Nice... example how one can try to make profit.

On the other hand its up to the people to inform themselve before buying a product. Who forced them to buy it? Some people have to learn the hard way that advertisement and PR stunts aren't the best source to trust in.

If you think CM made a profit here, you're crazier than Sion. CM spent a lot of monies on this project, the sales were horrible as they advertised it as a hardcore sim - which it wasn't - and scaring off those who didn't want a hardcore sim. I guess that since the sales were so low, the DLC were hurting and there was no need in beating a dead horse.

It would be interesting to see where they failed. Was the product the way they planned? If yes, why? If not, why not?

[icebreakr 3159]

Someone once said "you can't win a war without the support of population" =)

Love to see the much "bigger formation" got so badly owned by a dedicated BIS "specops" team, but the biggest role got played out by a local "resistance" - aka US :)

[echo1 0]

It would be interesting to see where they failed. Was the product the way they planned? If yes, why? If not, why not?

I think it failed sometime after the marketing department got their hands on it...