A.C.E. Advanced Combat Environment Public Release!

[icebreakr 3131]

The AI is so hard to kill now, that i wish i could use a wooden stick and/or silver bullets, just to make sure they stay dead...

Its very bizarre to see my squad shooting enemies in the head after we've already siezed the village =) last time we had a mission with a trigger "OPFOR not present" and we couldn't find a single enemy. Double checked all streets, entrable houses... finally we started shooting enemy guys lying on ground and one of the last said "aarghh". Mission complete!

... and no, we don't use Examine function to check up on OPFOR if they're alive =)

I've also used a low concrete wall to put my M249 to rest (shift-space keys) and supported my team and slaughtered all incoming enemies. ACE rox =)

[Alex72 1]

HK417L & HK416 (sniper ones) has bipods but cant be used like the M110's. Maybe for next patch. :)

And oh, Manzilla if you read this. That trick with triggers telling me classnames works great for now thanks man! ;) If you hear anything about a script that can print out the classnames (to .txt maybe) a unit carries you know who to talk to hehe. :) Ill to the same if i find it. No one should be without it - if it excists ofcourse.

Alex

Edited April 25, 2009 by Alex72

[Maddmatt 1]

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AI needs s shitload of rounds, constantly, to remain dead.

We are usually downed in a single shot, instantly most of the time, after come the rest.

AI armor classes or human bullet values desperately needs adjustment. Or the whole wound system needs to be looked at.

There is something terribly wrong somewhere.

You could just shoot the AI a couple of times and let them bleed to death instead of wasting ammo. Shooting them repeatedly only kills them faster.

AI and players have the same damage values and their weapons deal the same damage.

I'm not denying that it needs to be looked at, maybe it does. But that's not my area.

I notice people always mention the "Extended Armour" difficulty setting when people discuss the wounding system. "Extended Armour" only affects human players, not AI. Don't know why people always think that it affects everything.

[Michael_Angelo 10]

Its very bizarre to see my squad shooting enemies in the head after we've already siezed the village

I guess we found a new feature for the next update: "coup de grace"

[Alex72 1]

I think the damage done to AI's needs a small tweak as well. Just slightly slightly easier to give more damage than now.

But! AI dont need shitloads of rounds to die unless wrong distance/wrong hit-area. They need a bullet in the right place and from killing distances depending on weapon. No more 600 meters hit in the lower tummy with a M4 kills an AI straight off. In WAR i know many dont die when they get hit just cause the bullets dont hit vital parts. Even in the middle of the body bullets often miss vital organs leaving the target walking around with stuff hanging out from the body. They die everytime i hit with big caliber wich is realistic as well. Just small arms need to hit the correct places at correct distances for best result. I aim for midbody at longer distances and shoot 1-4 shots (seems you can hit real good in the head at times killing the AI straight off - realism!). Realistic with small arms. I also pack more ammo in my backpack so it evens it out. If my mate carry M136/RPG for example i take ammo for him as well.

More importantly - tone the sway down a tiny bit. Be gone shaky feeling. Same range of sway but slower shake speed would make it more realistic. Again, just a tiny bit slower. ;) Im not alone and the other players are not strangers to ArmA nor weapons.

ACE is almost perfect. :)

Regards

Alex

[manzilla 1]

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And oh' date=' Manzilla if you read this. That trick with triggers telling me classnames works great for now thanks man! ;) If you hear anything about a script that can print out the classnames (to .txt maybe) a unit carries you know who to talk to hehe. :) Ill to the same if i find it. No one should be without it - if it excists ofcourse.

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Alex, I believe there is one that generates class names in the .rpt file. At least I think I remember one like that. I'll have to check around as well.

[M.Andersson(SWE) 4]

The Iron.Walking.Sway is TOOO much.

I cant keep a steady AIM wil SLOWALKING and Ironsight..

It sways WAY to much..

A 50m aproach with "aim through the barrel" is easy to acomplish

IRL...Here IMPOSSIBLE...

You are trying to make the game MORE realistic right..

Then perhaps you need to do some more research..

EDIT: Tried with ACE targets. At some point i thought, "would be cool to have popup targets".

Controlable targets. Maby 2 ways:

Action 1: Targets stay down til you raise em.

Action 2: Targets raise with random intervalls..

Like shooting practise..

Edited April 26, 2009 by Andersson[SWEC]

[gonza 8]

Hello

I m trying to make compatible ACE on the VTS mission

Vts is a real time multilayer coop missions editor

in fact it is just a mission with an interface to create the mission in real-time (like Merlin)

you can put the new objective, new units , patrol... all you want

an excellent solution to try news mods and islands with friends without spend a lot of time to search good missions

but I have a problem with ACE

when AI start to fire the games become very slow and there is a lot off lags

Vts topic

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=63664

Edited April 26, 2009 by gonza

[Smurf 12]

Bipod's will steady your weapon when you fire from a crouch or standing position and have them deployed. They really help with the 240 series.

Yeah, but this feature was present in the previous releases, whats the diference now?

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The inability to move while equiped with the binoculars\laser deisgnator is due engine limitations or...?

BTW, another great work of the ACE Team in this last release.

[Winch3st3r 0]

I have to agree with the majority of people here and say that the weapon sway needs adjustment as it is too agressive at the moment. In addition to that it seems as though it takes a exuberant amount of shots to take down an enemy. I also found the parachutes to be improved but again very difficult to control.

Overall this has been a great release.

Thank you for your continued work on this project.

[wolfbite 8]

UGH!!! The Vikhr are like nerf rockets!!!!

[M.Andersson(SWE) 4]

Noticed the bipods have no effect at all...

If there is, i cant see it.

Checked with Sniper and Mg´s...

Both sides...

Oh, YES the bipods will steady your aim with snipers

but not mg´s. Dispersion is still way to much..

Ive been shooting ALOT with Swedish KSP58(7.62).

Even without bipods, laying down its not that hard

to get a swarm, (3-5 shots), in group...

Edited April 26, 2009 by Andersson[SWEC]

[Alex72 1]

Alex, I believe there is one that generates class names in the .rpt file. At least I think I remember one like that. I'll have to check around as well.

Oh yeah! Thats what it was. Your right. I know i saw it somewhere but i cant remember where... Argh. Well if i find it ill post it here, and thanks to you if you someday come across it if you can tell me.

:)

[scubaman3D 0]

I have to agree with the majority of people here and say that the weapon sway needs adjustment ...

I would disagree but I do think that dispersion is a bit exaggerated for some weapons.

[CarlGustaffa 4]

I mentioned the extended armor setting because how I perceived my armor: The first bullet no matter what kind to hit me would always take me down. No bleeding. Instadeath. A few times I actually went into a coma, but unlike AI who wakes up immediately, I will never recover and die within a few minutes. Only once did I see the action 'bandage yourself', but I was dead before I could select it. From the bleeding, as no other shots was made against me.

Just remember to always put a few more bullets in their head.

Now here is where I differ. Headshots doesn't belong in a milsim, and surely not as a requirement to down someone for good. If you have to use headshots, then something needs adjustment. You aim for the largest consentration of mass (or something like that) - torso shots. Also, how do you aim at someones head at 500 meters, when their bodies are for the most part hidden by the grass obstruction layer? Weapon dispersion makes sure you can't hit anything at 500 meters anyway, unless you got a sniper rifle. With M24 I can hit at first shot at 500 meters no problem, but they will immediately stand up again. Not only that, they will fight back, and they actually hit you sometimes. Of course, again, when they do manage to hit you, you are dead.

All this being said, I tried some more last night and today. With SCAR-H ACOG and even 5.56 M16A4 ACOG, I was able to perform far better than with the HK417C ACOG M203 (I believe) I was using at the time. Even though some use the M80 mag, is there differences in their config somehow that makes the problematic one have greater dispersion or something? Auto magazine changer thingy giving me something wrong?

About sway which many think is too high. I guess I'm the only one here that wants to revert back to 1.02 sway? :) Sure, we couldn't hit much, but neither could the enemy. The firefights was intense as in real life and lasted forever but few bullets found their target. Todays 'firefights' I get the feeling will last for that single pull of the trigger, sadly.

My idea about sway is this: Connect it to the distance of the nearest known enemy. If known enemy is close, then sway becomes more of an issue and simulates the stress of battle (this is not at the range). A sniper at standoff distances would not get this effect.

[sickboy 13]

Tnx for the comprehensive feedback Carl!

As we are finalizing the Mod for a Final A1 Release, things like these should be easy to iron out.

In case you havent already, please setup or add your data to tickets in our Issue Tracker.

If you could supply a simple demo mission which could display the flaws in the dispersion and differences in amount of bullets required etc?

(Stamina and Holding your breath have affect on it aswell)

When it comes to the AI, and their ability to hit and react;

The Skill setting per Unit, aswell as the overall Skill and Accuracy settings you can find in the .ArmAProfile file, have major effect on the AI's ability to hit and react.

I would recommend testing the different settings (on both Units and in the .ArmAProfile) in a test mission which is as simple and static as possible (to minimize variables and thus variations in testresults).

I would start with big adjustments so you can experience the difference the settings can make.

Edited April 27, 2009 by Sickboy

[twisted 127]

I have to agree with the majority of people here and say that the weapon sway needs adjustment as it is too agressive at the moment. In addition to that it seems as though it takes a exuberant amount of shots to take down an enemy.

Overall this has been a great release.

Thank you for your continued work on this project.

as a counterpoint. I disagree on weapon sway. i find the weapon sway is actually not enough in all stances - in fact it is so low that there is really no need to deploy the new bipod features. But ACE mod tried greater sway earlier and then based on community feedback (uproar!) swung themselves into this direction of too little sway. not an easy thing to get right - but rather err on the side of 'authenticity' than on the side of making things easy for play. after the ace motto is ... when realism matters !!

on the subject of downing an enemy - in my experience 1 or 2 shots usually works fine but then the guys often get up and carries on! Like the terminator.

it has been a great release for sure!

edit - on the subject of sway. ACE has done things many said were not possible with BIS engine. So here's hoping, as sway is a fundamental part of the shooting experience. To best model sway would be base the screen experience of sway against that of holding actual weapon (i reckon a more than a few ACE devs have access to real firearms) and then (if possible which i don't know) dynamically adjust it based on weapon weight and to take how long it has been held up (muscles get tired) plus probably a few other factors like stress/skill/etc.

Edited April 27, 2009 by twisted
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[1212PDMCDMPPM 200]

on the subject of downing an enemy - in my experience 1 or 2 shots usually works fine but then the guys often get up and carries on! Like the terminator.

Did anybody found an elegant solution to prevent having to execute all wounded soldiers ?

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[Punisher5555 0]

I hate the idea of executing all the helpless enemy, but maybe if I had a big knife!!!

[Lauxman 10]

Hey, reinstalling Arma on my laptop which can run the game on low settings (woo!). Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I'm wondering if I should be playing this on 1.16 or 1.14?

[Binkowski 26]

I play with 1.16 Beta. Runs good!

[Lauxman 10]

Awesome! One more thing, do I need Queen's Gambit or whatever the expansion was, or is this for vanilla Arma?

[VKing 12]

you don't need the expansion to use ACE, but a lot of MP servers use QG or QG elements in missions.

[an_enlarged_stomach 1]

I love almost everything here.

Just one thing though-does this mod simulate body armor?

[scruffy 21]

I mentioned the extended armor setting because how I perceived my armor: The first bullet no matter what kind to hit me would always take me down. No bleeding. Instadeath. A few times I actually went into a coma, but unlike AI who wakes up immediately, I will never recover and die within a few minutes. Only once did I see the action 'bandage yourself', but I was dead before I could select it. From the bleeding, as no other shots was made against me.

Now here is where I differ. Headshots doesn't belong in a milsim, and surely not as a requirement to down someone for good. If you have to use headshots, then something needs adjustment. You aim for the largest consentration of mass (or something like that) - torso shots. Also, how do you aim at someones head at 500 meters, when their bodies are for the most part hidden by the grass obstruction layer? Weapon dispersion makes sure you can't hit anything at 500 meters anyway, unless you got a sniper rifle. With M24 I can hit at first shot at 500 meters no problem, but they will immediately stand up again. Not only that, they will fight back, and they actually hit you sometimes. Of course, again, when they do manage to hit you, you are dead.

All this being said, I tried some more last night and today. With SCAR-H ACOG and even 5.56 M16A4 ACOG, I was able to perform far better than with the HK417C ACOG M203 (I believe) I was using at the time. Even though some use the M80 mag, is there differences in their config somehow that makes the problematic one have greater dispersion or something? Auto magazine changer thingy giving me something wrong?

Did you use a silenced version or the subsonic mags (M118LR)? They do a lot less damage and that seems to fit your description.