Jet Fighters

[RN Malboeuf 12]

Quote[/b] ]I already thought about imporitng it, but there's jsut too many textures.

textures can be merged... but quality... anyway it will look bad i believe. You'll have to remap it and make new textures if you want to achieve good results

[Col. Faulkner 0]

I'd gladly do it, just that would mean dodging some other mod work *cough*. Maybe one day. An Su-25. Maybe! BAH! The temptation is overwhelming!

The Frogfoot should have been in it right out of the box! The

time BIS spent on that stupid Sopwith Camel could have been

better spent methinks.

PS. MehMan! Dodging your other mod work will be severely

punished!  

[thesun 14]

@Astanid

That's quite not true, because some OFP addons already had the same (or better) quality textures. In the end, it was mostly the ofp engine (and the paa and pac format) that made them look like crap. Besides, the CSLA Mig-21 had one of the best textures i've seen on an OFP aicraft addon.

[RN Malboeuf 12]

Quote[/b] ]That's quite not true, because some OFP addons already had the same (or better) quality textures

examples ?

Quote[/b] ] CSLA Mig-21 had one of the best textures i've seen on an OFP aicraft addon.

rip it out of the mod - and let's see it's piece of cake to port it ingame just to 'look at'

[malick 0]

Hey, I've just seen the WiP pictures of Foomunch F16 in the Photography thread... That's a very good news ! Its in beta stage and already looks quite decent in ArmA

@Footmunch : Good job ! Can you make selectable national markings (roundel) ?

@eddyD : I hope you'll give us wonderful textures for this bird

Malick

[wld427 1705]

the VTE guys have several very nice aircraft to inluce the A-4. F-4, F-5, A-6, and several others. They look good but are still very Beta.

[PSYCHOSIM 0]

Love the A6. that'll be cool............

[Spartan 163 0]

Finaly a chance for some real air to air fighting.

[[aps]gnat 28]

the VTE guys have several very nice aircraft to inluce the A-4. F-4, F-5, A-6, and several others. They look good but are still very Beta.

Well, more like they look very OFP

[wld427 1705]

Gnat @ Feb. 17 2008,03:35)]

the VTE guys have several very nice aircraft to inluce the A-4. F-4, F-5, A-6, and several others. They look good but are still very Beta.

Well, more like they look very OFP

yep

[Chip360 0]

Gnat @ Feb. 17 2008,03:35)]

the VTE guys have several very nice aircraft to inluce the A-4. F-4, F-5, A-6, and several others. They look good but are still very Beta.

Well, more like they look very OFP

yep

indeed, it bugged the heck out of me so I had to take it off (I totally kept the islands tho, they roCk!

[MaxRiga 0]

let's think logically

two planes are coming in the nearest future - it's F16 and F18.

it's all cool but we need to have something against this lovely planes. Su27 and Mig29 would be right in time

[NoRailgunner 0]

SLA - modern Su-30MK and MiG 35

RACS - Eurofighter Typhoon and Tornado (both with "FIA is back" sign)

[MaxRiga 0]

SLA - modern Su-30MK and MiG 35

RACS - Eurofighter Typhoon and Tornado (both with "FIA is back" sign)  

good idea

but mig35 same as Su30MK is kinda extremely new models, so not like F16 and F18

[Sergei_Q 0]

Personally I'd prefer to have planes that one might realistically expect RACS or SLA to have - both are third world countries, not some superpowers. Eurofighter Typhoon or MiG-35 are a bit too new and expensive for them. Not that I would mind seeing them as part of a UK or Russian mod!

[NoRailgunner 0]

Don't get bothered about financial stuff - you don't know who is really behind! Maybe another Guba or conspiracy?

[wld427 1705]

a while back i saw a tornado in the WIp stuff that would be good fr RACS.. ala Saudi Arabia.

That still needs a desperate opening for an aircraft for the SLA beside the Su-34. MiG 23 would be the best. Bushwars was working on one but with the vast scope of thier project and news from some of thier own releases we will not see any of that till Arma2

CheyanneAH64 was working on a yak-38 in another forum

[Blue_Flight 0]

CheyanneAH64 was working on a yak-38 in another forum

Can you tell which forum that is, please?

[Benoist 0]

As I can see in some pictures the plane has the gear always down.

Is that a bug?

[max power 21]

I'd like to see some old, honking, brutal soviet technology. It's a shame the MiG 25 could never be properly represented in ArmA. It's would be fun to see the island go by in a blink, though.

[miles teg 1]

Quote[/b] ]What would be even nicer is some tutorials on how to convert aircraft from OFP into ArmA.

there's a10 example at least

but ofp converts in Arma... what for ? I can't think of any plane addon that will look good in arma without serious texture remake at least...

I disagree 100%.   There was nothing wrong with most of the planes in OFP.   Yes they didn't have all the fancy specular mapping, etc... of ArmA, but that can be fixed by some texture artists who know what they're doing.   My mod has put out what is considered "shit" by ArmA standards and yet so far few have complained.  Why?  Because they still look fairly decent and provide a nice addon until someone makes from scratch a better version or we further enhance our current addons.    

A lot of you don't realize that not all mods have expert addon makers/texture artists.  We must rely on the generocity of others.   So until someone makes a kick ass addon from scratch who has the talent and time to do so, we must convert our addons which I think most players appreciate.  

My mailbox is always full of people asking me when I'm going to convert more stuff from the LoBo OFP mod into ArmA.

To say that every new addon has to be BIS ArmA standard (or better)  I think is being highly elitest.   Utlimately that attitude is detrimental to encouraging new addon makers who don't have the skillset to making that level of quality in their addons.   To those who can (like Footmunch) kudos to them and well deserved.

The unwillingness to share in how to convert OFP addons into ArmA is I think seriously undermining the full potential of the ArmA MOD making community given the MASSIVE amount of high quality addons that were made for OFP.   All those VTE aircraft people are whining about I thought looked fine but just needed a little updating as far as texture work goes (and of coarse bug fixes for pilot proxys, cockpit textures, bomb proxies, etc....).     The only plane I saw that looked seriously bad model and texture-wise was perhaps the C130.  The others I thought were passable and just need a little texture enhancement work.  But until then, just getting them to work at all would make them usable in missions until a better version could be made.  

Would you rather have that or would you rather wait for months (or maybe years) for a "ArmA quality" version to be made?

If you hate OFP addons, then please go tell VTE to dump most of their addons as well as many other ArmA mods who are converting their OFP stuff.  Then sit back and prepare and be patient as you will only see one or two planes being made every three to five months (which may or may not meet your exacting standards of excellence).

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[EricJ 763]

What blows about BIS in general is the size of the maps, and the abstractness of the flight modelling. Size of the maps being as it is, they're pretty tiny in order to stretch your wings (no pun intended), but the FM issues are well, issues. Now the counterpoint is that duh, they're not designed in fully to be flight simulators, given the scope that they've always had to encompass.

Quality? I think that's a sore issue and agree, it's too elitest. If you demand it, then you should have already done it to "require" it. I've never loved this community, and Miles Teg has pretty much spelled out the complaints I've ever had. But I still come here because there are people who do try, and maybe not be able to throw out mods like Vilas, but trying is half the battle, and continuing on is what counts, because like wine, it gets better.

[dm 9]

There was nothing wrong with most of the planes in OFP.

Sure, if you dont mind shitty performance.

Yes they didn't have all the fancy specular mapping, etc... of ArmA

And they have section counts in the high 10's if not 100's, which means multiple directX passes are needed to render each model, which in turn reduces performance. 10 OFP ports will have as much a hit on performance as 20 well made "ArmA" addons. Its not about the fancy extras, its about the BASICS.

but that can be fixed by some texture artists who know what they're doing.

Yes, it can, as long as they re-map the entire model, in order to optimise the section counts, in order to maximise performance.

My mod has put out what is considered "shit" by ArmA standards and yet so far few have complained. Why?

Because people are greedy. You just have to read any of the A&M: C or D threads to see that most posts are of the "holy crap! when is it coming out?".

A lot of you don't realize that not all mods have expert addon makers/texture artists.

And thats an excuse to make poor quality content?

To say that every new addon has to be BIS ArmA standard (or better) I think is being highly elitest.

Not really, I don't think wanting the best performance out of an already heavy game engine is that elitest?

Utlimately that attitude is detrimental to encouraging new addon makers who don't have the skillset to making that level of quality in their addons. To those who can (like Footmunch) kudos to them and well deserved.

No, the "I want things to be easy", the "I want something for minimal effort", the "BIS is keeping secrets" and the "I want it now!" mentalities are what are ruining the community, NOT those who strive for quality over quantity.

The unwillingness to share in how to convert OFP addons into ArmA is I think seriously undermining the full potential of the ArmA MOD making community given the MASSIVE amount of high quality addons that were made for OFP.

The unwillingness for people to put the effort in to learn the new techniques is what is killing the mod community.

[MaxRiga 0]

What blows about BIS in general is the size of the maps, and the abstractness of the flight modelling.  Size of the maps being as it is, they're pretty tiny in order to stretch your wings (no pun intended), but the FM issues are well, issues.  Now the counterpoint is that duh, they're not designed in fully to be flight simulators, given the scope that they've always had to encompass.  

Quality?  I think that's a sore issue and agree, it's too elitest.  If you demand it, then you should have already done it to "require" it.  I've never loved this community, and Miles Teg has pretty much spelled out the complaints I've ever had.  But I still come here because there are people who do try, and maybe not be able to throw out mods like Vilas, but trying is half the battle, and continuing on is what counts, because like wine, it gets better.

well, arma is a little bit of different sims in one.

concerning planes, well, u r right, even Sahrani is too small for real fighters missions. This why in OFP was su25-a10 bombers as default, that was small and slow short range bombers. Su34 and Harrier was not right decision for Arma if u ask my personal thoughts. But still, it doesn't mean we don't need good fighters for Amra, we really need it to have fun

[max power 21]

Noone is stopping anyone from making anything. If you to port the whole gamut of ofp addons, all the power to you. They will look like crap and play like crap- just make sure you get the say-so from the original authors first.