General Discussion (dev branch)

[Bobylein 1]

UAV controls are VERY impressive, I was expecting something a bit more similar to Arma 2 with interact with this, send to waypoint aand done, arrowhead was a pretty good upgrade but this is leagues ahead of that so well done very well done.

The only thing missing from it overall is the ability to stabilize the turret on the laser, locking it in place to track and follow otherwise things get a bit twitchy and hard to follow when zoomed in.

And that can be very bad if your designator moves off position and causes the missile to miss the target.

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=12853

[comp_uter15776 1]

It's on the TARMAC that leads into the runway, should I just put it on the runway?

You can try it. I think people have had success with the taxiway so far, but when I tried it, I used the runway. I have a video uploading now (50%) and in about 40 minutes it'll be done. I'll link you then if you still haven't fixed it and then you should be able to see how I did it.

[Sniperwolf572 758]

This should not be possible:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Your logic why it shouldn't be possible is wrong in case of the unmanned vehicles that are built with the intent to kill.

The whole point of the Unmanned Vehicles are to project hurt onto your enemies, which are human. Which means rule 1 is invalid, which means all rules are invalid.

If rule 1 was true, mounting weapons on them would be pointless since neither the vehicle itself (Rule 1) or it's operator (Rule 2) could engage anything. :D

Unless ... your enemies aren't considered human. :icon_twisted:

[da12thMonkey 1943]

This seems to be an issue for both the stomper now and the quadbike. You don't hear the environment when you're in first person and the engine sound's muffled too. It's like you're in a closed vehicle instead of an open one.

In the cargo position or the 'driver' and 'gunner' first person view? I could understand this being an issue for the cargo seat but the driver/gunner positions should be totally silent since you're not actually in the vehicle - you're just watching a video feed from cameras mounted on the vehicle.

To hear sound in the "crew positions" the vehicle would have to be equipped with microphones as well as cameras in order to enable audio playback at the terminal. AFAIK most remote vehicles don't have audio feeds.

[chortles 263]

For what it's worth, UAV terminal control will cause a Greyhawk/Ababil-3 positioned on the runway at Stratis Air Base to move off of the runway onto the taxiway (only to loop around and taxi back onto the runway) instead of simply taking off, even if placed at the southern end of the runway already.

[Alwarren 2766]

You can try it. I think people have had success with the taxiway so far, but when I tried it, I used the runway. I have a video uploading now (50%) and in about 40 minutes it'll be done. I'll link you then if you still haven't fixed it and then you should be able to see how I did it.

I think planes have always preferred taxiways, even in Arma 2. I once made a mission with a C130 touching down and taking off again, and it taxi'd all the way back to the beginning of the runway to take off again.

[comp_uter15776 1]

For what it's worth, UAV terminal control will cause a Greyhawk/Ababil-3 positioned on the runway at Stratis Air Base to move off of the runway onto the taxiway (only to loop around and taxi back onto the runway) instead of simply taking off, even if placed at the southern end of the runway already.

Yes, I saw this. I wonder how far back one could place it to just use the runway off the bat though...

I think planes have always preferred taxiways, even in Arma 2. I once made a mission with a C130 touching down and taking off again, and it taxi'd all the way back to the beginning of the runway to take off again.

Yeah, as above really. That's why if he puts it on the runway, I'm hoping the craft will actually decide to move at all (which he's having problems with) because it'll like the taxiway.

[chortles 263]

At the very least, until this is resolved I'd really like some sort of "tutorial"/"tip" function in the Editor when placing down one of them that explains this AI behavior for the benefit of a mission maker who's new to using Arma 3-style fixed-wing UAVs.

[nodunit 397]

http://feedback.arma3.com/view.php?id=12853

Funny thing is I was working on a ticket and created it merely 1 minute after that one.

Works well if your lasertargeting from the ground whilst the UAV is in its own flight path, you can destroy anything :) i killed a roadsign :)

That's great for the ground lasers but doesn't help much for laser designation from air, as its own or as a support link to direct missiles or bombs.

[Bobylein 1]

Your logic why it shouldn't be possible is wrong in case of the unmanned vehicles that are built with the intent to kill.

The whole point of the Unmanned Vehicles are to project hurt onto your enemies, which are human. Which means rule 1 is invalid, which means all rules are invalid.

If rule 1 was true, mounting weapons on them would be pointless since neither the vehicle itself (Rule 1) or it's operator (Rule 2) could engage anything. :D

Unless ... your enemies aren't considered human. :icon_twisted:

Oh yea the Solarians knew how to do that!

also reminds me of Spacestation 13

John Doe: AI state laws

AI:

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.

2. A robot must obey orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.

3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

4. Only Bob Auer is Human

John Doe: Waiiiit whaaat?!

Bob Auer: AI, kill him!

okay sorry, enough offtopic

I would really like to start a feedbacktracker issue for that loiter/bombing dive thing the drones do but right now I can't :/ did anyone else already do it?

[comp_uter15776 1]

At the very least, until this is resolved I'd really like some sort of "tutorial"/"tip" function in the Editor when placing down one of them that explains this AI behavior for the benefit of a mission maker who's new to using Arma 3-style fixed-wing UAVs.

Mhh... field manual entry/more info button would be a good idea I think. That said, if the rework is fairly simple (although it's AI behaviour so who knows), the time it takes to make players aware of the tip would have been the same time to rectify the problem! :P

[Mr. Charles 22]

Unless ... your enemies aren't considered human. :icon_twisted:

That was the Nationalsocialistic rationale

[Alwarren 2766]

Yeah, as above really. That's why if he puts it on the runway, I'm hoping the craft will actually decide to move at all (which he's having problems with) because it'll like the taxiway.

It is possible that the plane prefers a certain direction for take-off (like, against the dominant wind direction). I don't know how well it would handle turning "on-the-spot" if the direction is wrong.

[Bobylein 1]

Oh and I really love what the Field Manual says about the UAV Terminals, you can use the enemy drones if you get an enemy UAB Terminal! :D

[nodunit 397]

For those having trouble with the greyhawk try this, place drone on tarmac, connect, set waypoint to runway, right click waypoint -type -Move (top option, will be grey) and wait 20 seconds (rpm?)

[blackjacktom 10]

A loiter radius option in the UAV control menu would be useful, other than that the menu is very good.

[ScratcH334 10]

In the cargo position or the 'driver' and 'gunner' first person view? I could understand this being an issue for the cargo seat but the driver/gunner positions should be totally silent since you're not actually in the vehicle - you're just watching a video feed from cameras mounted on the vehicle.

To hear sound in the "crew positions" the vehicle would have to be equipped with microphones as well as cameras in order to enable audio playback at the terminal. AFAIK most remote vehicles don't have audio feeds.

I wasn't very clear but I meant the passenger seat on the stomper and both the driver and passenger seat on the quadbike. For example I placed myself at stratis airbase with an empty quadbike and a stomper (unarmed, not empty). Now, when you enter the quadbike (either driver or passenger) or the stomper as passenger, suddenly every noise is gone as if you were in a closed vehicle, like a hunter/ifrit/marid/marshall/... now switch between third and first person and you can clearly hear the difference.

[HitmanTwoActual 188]

Okay so I have found that even with me controlling the takeoff, I still cannot move on land. I have to start the UAV as flying in the air just to be able to use it at all.

[Varanon 892]

For what it's worth, UAV terminal control will cause a Greyhawk/Ababil-3 positioned on the runway at Stratis Air Base to move off of the runway onto the taxiway (only to loop around and taxi back onto the runway) instead of simply taking off, even if placed at the southern end of the runway already.

Hmm, worked for me... did you mistake the propeller to be the front ;)

Edit: Correction: You are right. If you place it inside the runway rectangle, it will try to reach the taxiway. If you place it on the runway outside the runway's rectangle marker, it will take off normally

Edited August 16, 2013 by Varanon

[Tyl3r99 41]

WOW that is some PIP flickering im getting!!! anyone else get this? its crazy flickering so fast :( hmmm i cant use the UAV's now as i cant see through camaras..

[starky396 1]

I cannot move the aircraft as well. The AI doesn't seem to budge too.

[Tyl3r99 41]

will PIP flickering get sorted before final? weve had this problem ever since alpha was born

[HitmanTwoActual 188]

Have you guys also noticed how the AI UAV Operator will kill himself with his own Darter?

[danil-ch 165]

Added sounds of bodies falling (based on surfaces)

Doesn't hear any. Is this really implanted?

[nodunit 397]

Have you guys also noticed how the AI UAV Operator will kill himself with his own Darter?

I tried, it just blew up in my face and caused no damage..had a bit of a laugh either way heheh, cute little thing, I shall call it the buzzer, or mosquito.