General Discussion (dev branch)

[SilentSpike 84]

There is a command for it, but it has always been broken for as long as I've known: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setPlayable

[x3kj 1247]

I see.

 

I guess the real world has no bearing on what the definitions in the code are, but strictly all are bullets, ball is a solid shot without filler and shells are all bullets with fillers. So, techically, explosive bullets like the soviet 7.62 marker bullet are shells.

No, explosive has nothing to do with "shell" or "bullet".

The difference in the ammo config is "simulation=shotShell" and "simulation=shotBullet" - the exact differences/ what it all affects are nowhere documented (at least not that i know of). Changing from bullet to shell now all of a sudden will break a big load of mods and i do not understand at all what BIS was trying to achieve?  Tracers worked absolutely fine for Tanks in the past.

So, BI devs, please elaborate  what this change was supposed to accomplish or roll it back.

[twisted 128]

There is a command for it, but it has always been broken for as long as I've known: https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/setPlayable

 

yes thanks mate, i hope they either fix it or use the new 3d editor functionality to work around. would be really appreciated and open up new game play flexibility.

[rübe 127]

Changing from stable to devel branch (and back...) is currently quite a pain - is there really no way to have both branches installed in parallel with steam or something?

-_-

[Greenfist 1863]

Changing from stable to devel branch (and back...) is currently quite a pain - is there really no way to have both branches installed in parallel with steam or something?

-_-

Yes, the Game Updater in the Arma 3 Tools. :)

[rübe 127]

Yes, the Game Updater in the Arma 3 Tools. :)

 

:blink: 

 

Yay. Thanks buddy! :lol:

[R3vo 2654]

Yes, the Game Updater in the Arma 3 Tools. :)

 

The update doesn't work for me, it tells me that my steam login is invalid, even though I checked my login name and password twice.

[rübe 127]

The update doesn't work for me, it tells me that my steam login is invalid, even though I checked my login name and password twice.

 

Worked fine over here.

 

Are you sure you've got the thing with that "steam guard code" right? I left that field empty (as suggested in case you don't know any better...), but once a console came up I was prompted to enter one... but fear not, steam should send you one by email at this point. Other than that, I have no idea what could have gone wrong. :huh:

[2nd ranger 282]

 

• Removed: fn_MPexec.sqf - not used anymore as the RE is now handled by engine
• Changed: fn_MP.sqf - RE is now handled by engine

 

 

 

 

Getting script errors when using CAS module now. Is that the cause?

 9:12:28 Error in expression <unctionName,_target,_isPersistent];
};

_jipID
};}>
 9:12:28   Error position: <_jipID
};}>
 9:12:28   Error Undefined variable in expression: _jipid
 9:12:28 File A3\functions_f\MP\fn_MP.sqf, line 49

[R3vo 2654]

Worked fine over here.

 

Are you sure you've got the thing with that "steam guard code" right? I left that field empty (as suggested in case you don't know any better...), but once a console came up I was prompted to enter one... but fear not, steam should send you one by email at this point. Other than that, I have no idea what could have gone wrong. :huh:

 

I left the field empty, however I didn't recieve any code and was not even prompted to enter one.

[St. Jimmy 272]

I left the field empty, however I didn't recieve any code and was not even prompted to enter one.

Yeah it was kind of weird at first. I also wondered something about the Guard Code but then I solved it quickly. Try to check your email or find a button that says "send Steam Guard Code to e-mail" or something similar.

[rübe 127]

I left the field empty, however I didn't recieve any code and was not even prompted to enter one.

 

Hm, wild guess: maybe the installer needs admin rights (I've turned off UAC a long time ago, because screw it, that's why... :lol:)?

<_<

[R3vo 2654]

UAV is off here too, gonna try the admin thing.

 

Edit: No success ;(

[pettka 694]

The bullet to shell change is some underlying preparation to distinguish between guns / machineguns and cannons in engine. As the line between those is not precise, it is based on the ammo used - if it is a shell or bullet.

We are going to investigate the impact further to make sure everything is working as intended :icon_twisted:

[R3vo 2654]

Changed: fn_MP.sqf - RE is now handled by engine

 

 

This change is causing a lot of script errors to pop up in missions.

[killzone_kid 1330]

 

Getting script errors when using CAS module now. Is that the cause?

 9:12:28 Error in expression <unctionName,_target,_isPersistent];
};

_jipID
};}>
 9:12:28   Error position: <_jipID
};}>
 9:12:28   Error Undefined variable in expression: _jipid
 9:12:28 File A3\functions_f\MP\fn_MP.sqf, line 49

 

http://pastie.org/private/tiqwlatfrjteontavv84q

As you can see, there is no line 49 and no _jipid variable. Are you using mods? 

[x3kj 1247]

The bullet to shell change is some underlying preparation to distinguish between guns / machineguns and cannons in engine. As the line between those is not precise, it is based on the ammo used - if it is a shell or bullet.

We are going to investigate the impact further to make sure everything is working as intended :icon_twisted:

Yes the "line" between the two is fuzy - that's why i dont understand why the distinction is made in the first place, if it's not clear what is what.

 

1) Starting from a vehicle armament standpoint you can only have one machinegun type and one cannon type, because the current system doesnt allow any free combination. So if you have a BRDM-2 with 14.5mm and 7.62mm guns, the 14.5mm has to be a cannon otherwise it won't work properly. Same with a Mig-15 with 2x 23mm and 1x 37mm, the 37mm has to be a cannon.  You can't have different calibers for machineguns that fire from different places. If you define one (or multiple) memorypoint for a machinegun, all machinegun type weapons will fire from this one (or multiple) memorypoints. You can't have 2 cannons and you can't create multiple memorypoints for one cannon either.

 

This system is extremely limiting. If a vehicle has any "more complex" armament you can't make it happen in arma. Examples:  Aircraft and Helicopters with extra Gunpods or WW2 Fighter/Fighter-Bombers with various weapons.

 

2) Recoilforce effects on the vehicle are defined by if it's a cannon (ergo "shotShell") or not. This can pose problems if you want or don't want the recoilforce for that particular weapon. The Recoil (to the best of my knowledge) is not changeable. There are situations where you wouldn't want a cannon to produce recoil force (e.g. if it has very good damping), or where you would want it to produce more / less recoil. Or occasions where you'd want "machineguns" to produce recoil (on Fighteraircraft for example).

 

The AI doesnt need the system, because it can use the Ammousage flags and the Value of the ammo to determine what to use. The vehicle commander commands the gunner to use "cannon"  or "machinegun" but this is only a voice message which doesnt need the distinction, just a flag in the weapon to use.

 

Solution: 

• Get rid of the hardcoded settings. Implement a recoil modifier in the bullet or weapon config so they can be tweaked on a case-by-case basis. Same with other parameters - if the ammo needs different simulation parameters (accuracy of simultion, damage model, visual model handling, ...) then set those in the ammo directly and individually please.
• Most importantly we could really need an overhaul of the armament system to be more flexible. Give us a way to define the weapon and it's memorypoint(s) directly, for multiple weapons. Bonus points if we can link different weapons to fire at the exact same time (e.g. Wing mounted Gunpods firing at the same time as a different nose mounted weapon on a Ground Attack Plane/ Helicopter )

[rebelvg 281]

Hey guys, can someone help me confirm something. I'm using stable 1.50 and AA guns don't work if you're playing as OPFOR or INDIFOR. AA gun will only start the seeking mode if you're a BLUFOR player. It also doesn't matter whose AA launcher you use, what matters is your side. Is this somehow related to the keybind? I really can't tell.

Test mission - https://mega.nz/#!6wQhmSIZ!A4-9_qkoHrHYngNEQO5P2lGwv4vbqAAW3hVibNl20Ys

[killzone_kid 1330]

 

Fixed: Negative score from destroying a friendly vehicle occupied by enemy

 

This is cool but it is not finished. There has to be cool down period after the enemy unit leaves friendly vehicle so that the vehicle is still considered "hot". Because if enemy unit jumps out of the vehicle before you destroy it, you get punished with negative rating. This "hot" status should be just that, "hot" status not connected to vehicle side,. The vehicle should become sideUnknown when empty immediately, but the "hot" status should last for another few seconds.

[fn_Quiksilver 1636]

This is cool but it is not finished. There has to be cool down period after the enemy unit leaves friendly vehicle so that the vehicle is still considered "hot". Because if enemy unit jumps out of the vehicle before you destroy it, you get punished with negative rating. This "hot" status should be just that, "hot" status not connected to vehicle side,. The vehicle should become sideUnknown when empty immediately, but the "hot" status should last for another few seconds.

 

Also, such things seem to bypass the HandleScore event.

[warkonaut 133]

 

Getting script errors when using CAS module now. Is that the cause?

 9:12:28 Error in expression <unctionName,_target,_isPersistent];
};

_jipID
};}>
 9:12:28   Error position: <_jipID
};}>
 9:12:28   Error Undefined variable in expression: _jipid
 9:12:28 File A3\functions_f\MP\fn_MP.sqf, line 49

 

Hi there. This issue was triggered when remote execution was called improperly and failed. In that case both commands (remoteExec and remoteExecCall) return NIL and it triggered the error. It has been already found out and fixed.

[rebelvg 281]

Hey guys, can someone help me confirm something. I'm using stable 1.50 and AA guns don't work if you're playing as OPFOR or INDIFOR. AA gun will only start the seeking mode if you're a BLUFOR player. It also doesn't matter whose AA launcher you use, what matters is your side. Is this somehow related to the keybind? I really can't tell.

Test mission - https://mega.nz/#!6wQhmSIZ!A4-9_qkoHrHYngNEQO5P2lGwv4vbqAAW3hVibNl20Ys

Okay, it was a problem with the keybinds. I reset the binds for lock target and reveal target and it stated to work. That is a one strange strange thing.

[bumgie 49]

I hope that with the EDEN Editor comes the funtionality to make units playable enmasse, along with other edits to multiple units simultaneously.

[Jona33 51]

I hope that with the EDEN Editor comes the funtionality to make units playable enmasse, along with other edits to multiple units simultaneously.

Already doable with EDEN, select multiple units, right click and press attributes. Can do all kinds of things to multiple units at once.

[mobile_medic 43]

I hope that with the EDEN Editor comes the funtionality to make units playable enmasse, along with other edits to multiple units simultaneously.

 

During the livestream, I believe they did demonstrate the ability to change the properties of an entire group of units at once, rather than one-at-a-time.