Dragon Rising has been released

[yanquis 10]

the way i break it down is basically,

COD = miltary-based popcorn action movie simulator (puts you in the role of steve seagall)

OFPDR = mirimax 'oscar nominee' miltary combat movie simulator (puts you in the role of pvt ryan)

arma 2 = miltary combat simulator (puts you in the role of a soldier)

not really attachign values but thats the way i see it. arma is a sim, cod is a shooter with a real world setting, and ofpdr tries to straddle the line, imo its a worthy idea but they failed. and using the ofp name just makes me dislike them.

[froggyluv 2136]

the way i break it down is basically,

COD = miltary-based popcorn action movie simulator (puts you in the role of steve seagall)

OFPDR = mirimax 'oscar nominee' miltary combat movie simulator (puts you in the role of pvt ryan)

arma 2 = miltary combat simulator (puts you in the role of a soldier)

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Pretty accurate except Prvt. Ryan's war would have had to be fought out by exactly 63 people

[Andi 10]

I played the first mission and it completely felt like BF2. The vehicle handling could be copy-pastaed...

[Drongo69 117]

My (pretty low) expectations have been solidly undershot.

Edited October 21, 2009 by Drongo69
typo, vodka

[stegman 3]

OMG! your right!

i only just noticed, there are no planes in ofp2!!!

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

Eurogamer: I'm glad you mentioned Modern Warfare 2. Do you think it's over-hyped?

Sion Lenton: The very nature of the game, and I mean this in the nicest possible way, is a hyped event. It's kind of like the Michael Bay of videogames. Its budget, its sales, all these kind of things - it is a huge game. But if you're worried that about kind of thing then nobody would ever make games - there would only be one football game, one shooter game and one platform. It's healthy to have competition.

I don't actually think we're in the same place as Modern Warfare 2, anyway. We're a different creature. We'll probably get people buying [our game] and Modern Warfare 2 as well. There's a market for both. I really see Modern Warfare 2 as Hollywood and we're the Cannes, the arty documentary - dare I say the reportage-style thing. So, two very different creatures. But [Modern Warfare] is a great game. I'll be buying it, I'll be playing it and I'm sure you will as well.

It's going to be interesting, and I wouldn't be surprised to see a few nods to our game in there - we saw a lot of the Infinity Ward developers playing our game at E3, which was quite nice.

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What a joke. Everybody goes around and plays everybody else's games at E3. They act like that's a new thing. That's been going on forever. And then he says it's all about marketing and hype for Modern Warfare 2? HE IS SPEAKING from experience obviously. I love how he puts down a game that hasn't been released, that has a solid following, and acts like they are the only game in town.

Talk about a hypocrite.... man.

[AndresCL 10]

way of thinking dictatorial:icon_rolleyes:

That would explain why my friends keep saying "Hail Hitler" :D

[mr.g-c 6]

That would explain why my friends keep saying "Hail Hitler" :D

Hmm i seriously find this not very funny... estimated ~60 million people have died of a direct result of this "human's" actions and a blinded population keep yelling/repeating this "Salute"....:(

[W0lle 1052]

AndresCL

I'm pretty sure you thought that's funny... :rolleyes:

mr.g-c

Instead feeding the troll you should have reported the post.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Hmm i seriously find this not very funny... estimated ~60 million people have died of a direct result of this "human's" actions and a blinded population keep yelling/repeating this "Salute"....:(

OMG Stop being a liberal and a hypocrite. Crap like this just starts flame wars and offtopic-offtopic discussion. Since OFP/ARMA has been out, I have seen the sickle and hammer posted on this forum, so where is your outrage when it comes to people having their freedoms squashed and millions that were killed under Stalin?

[InFireBaptize 0]

Ok, went over relative's house to setup his internet access for his new computer, we installed the game, not bad for console i thought the way your character sprints is so moronic. I can't say anything else about it since i left shortly after watching him playing.

[Sertorius21 10]

OMG Stop being a liberal and a hypocrite. Crap like this just starts flame wars and offtopic-offtopic discussion. Since OFP/ARMA has been out, I have seen the sickle and hammer posted on this forum, so where is your outrage when it comes to people having their freedoms squashed and millions that were killed under Stalin?

Oh lordie. OFP2 vs ARMA2 AND Pinkos vs Righties? All we need to do is add gun control and we'll have the perfect flame war.

Now, on to Sion's words of wisdom:

"It's kind of like the Michael Bay of videogames." - And OFP2 is like allowing Michael Bay to direct Saving Private Ryan?

"It's healthy to have competition." - Which is why they made OFP2 a mil-sim, which is very different from a shooter like MW2. Oh, wait a second...

"I really see Modern Warfare 2 as Hollywood and we're the Cannes" - Well, I see ARMA2 as a love story and MW2 as porno. OFP2 is an attempt to make a porno that's also a love story. Consult your local dirty movies shop to see how well this sort of compromise works (Alternately, try to imagine Ron Jeremy appearing in "The Notebook").

Edited October 22, 2009 by Sertorius21

[bangtail 0]

Oh lordie. OFP2 vs ARMA2 AND Pinkos vs Righties? All we need to do is add gun control and we'll have the perfect flame war.

Now, on to Sion's words of wisdom:

"It's kind of like the Michael Bay of videogames." - And OFP2 is like allowing Michael Bay to direct Saving Private Ryan?

"It's healthy to have competition." - Which is why they made OFP2 a mil-sim, which is very different from a shooter like MW2. Oh, wait a second...

"I really see Modern Warfare 2 as Hollywood and we're the Cannes" - Well, I see ARMA2 as a love story and MW2 as porno. OFP2 is an attempt to make a porno that's also a love story. Consult your local dirty movies shop to see how well this sort of compromise works (Alternately, try to imagine Ron Jeremy appearing in "The Notebook").

That Lenton guy has about as much credibility as John Smedley.

DR has come and gone and with no dedi, a limited editor and a kiddie infested questionable community, it will slip into the annals of obscurity before very long.

I see they are going to release their first DLC before the end of the month. You have to get those console fanboy's $$ before they get bored and move onto something else MW2.

Eth

Edited October 22, 2009 by BangTail

[myshaak 0]

...

Well, I see ARMA2 as a love story and MW2 as porno. OFP2 is an attempt to make a porno that's also a love story. Consult your local dirty movies shop to see how well this sort of compromise works.

...

Hilarious, that's going to my sig if you don't mind! :D

[rundll.exe 12]

"I really see Modern Warfare 2 as Hollywood and we're the Cannes" - Well, I see ARMA2 as a love story and MW2 as porno. OFP2 is an attempt to make a porno that's also a love story. Consult your local dirty movies shop to see how well this sort of compromise works (Alternately, try to imagine Ron Jeremy appearing in "The Notebook").

Pricesless :bounce3:

Guess the only good thing of OFP DR is the humor it raises in people;)

[Hans Ludwig 0]

I'm also really enthused that the co-op and online is going down an absolute storm, which I knew it would because we love it here.

10/22/2009

CURRENT PLAYERS / PEAK TODAY

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

Sion reminds me of the captain of the Titanic: This ship will never sink. Yet all the passengers are passing out life vests and lowering the life boats as the ship's bow is clearly submerged.

[Herbal Influence 10]

I am speechless reading this on the frontpage of tacticalgamers.com with a big DragonRising-logo at the beginning:

Oct 02, 2009 - 12:42 PM - by WhiskeySix

Update: Well it didn't take long for us to hit our first bump in the road! Codemasters has announced that dedicated-server support will not be included in Tuesday's release - initially, all PvP matches will be peer-to-peer. So, obviously, TacticalGamer will NOT be hosting dedicated servers - at least not initially.

This announcement, along with emerging details of the limited nature of PvP modes and maps, really shows that Dragon Rising will share the same gameplay focus as the original Operation Flashpoint (and ArmA successors) - Coop missions. We'll be updating our OFP:DR forums with more info as it emerges! Stay tuned - it should be an exciting week!

How can he/they say, "shows that Dragon Rising will share the same gameplay focus as the original Operation Flashpoint (and ArmA successors) - Coop missions."

This is false.

But worst is he does it without mentioning that Arma2 *has* a dedicated server and is a completely different attitude to gaming?

Just another example how harmful Dragon Rising is for BI.

[vilas 477]

people... wait month or two... DR will hit bottom shelf and in three people will forget about it

OFP1 lives 8 years over

Arma 1 is still played by people, 3 years passed and IDF mod shows new vehicles for example

Arma 2 is almost half year (depending of country you buy) and... we still enjoy it and even more with new addons, islands, work in progress, upcoming mods

i wonder if Dragon will eat it's Rice and gone sleep withing next 1-2 months

probably yes

and talking about good shoters: SoF, AVP, RTCW, Max Payne are best, Dragon spits it's Rice and will soon choke

[Mr.Wolf 10]

Final version of Templar's AI mod released.

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=391694

You can choose difficulty based on dispersion system (invisible shield)

[bangtail 0]

I am speechless reading this on the frontpage of tacticalgamers.com with a big DragonRising-logo at the beginning:

How can he/they say, "shows that Dragon Rising will share the same gameplay focus as the original Operation Flashpoint (and ArmA successors) - Coop missions."

This is false.

But worst is he does it without mentioning that Arma2 *has* a dedicated server and is a completely different attitude to gaming?

Just another example how harmful Dragon Rising is for BI.

What a load of BS.

How can they "share the same gameplay focus"? DR has limitations that preclude it from being mentioned in the same sentence as it's 8 year old nemesis (which, by the way, is technically superior to DR in just about every way).

Again, I totally understand why Marek and Co got so angry about CM using the OFP name. CM's failure to release anything more than a dinky console game is going to do the OFP name no end of harm.

Damn shame that such a prestigious name is being dragged through the mud by a bunch of hacks.

Eth

Edited October 22, 2009 by BangTail

[HamishUK 0]

PC Gamer (UK) at least has seen the light and done an in-depth review instead of chasing for advertising revenue from Codies and awarded the game a 69% as opposed to it's sister magazine PC Zone (UK) who awarded it a 92%.

PC Gamer revealed all it's faults whereas Zone never bothered to mention the dedicated servers.

[Bulldogs 10]

A lot of reviews are actually based on preview code that doesn't contain the full game, and contains a lot of scripted ai sequences and no mp, so the later reviews from mags/sites that weren't given access to the preview code are the only honest reviews

[vilas 477]

concerning reviews ratings of Arma 2 and DR

many poeple are too stupid to learn menu of Arma and do not care about whole PR politics that DR will better than A2 and will be sequel to OFP

i read today some reviews which made me angry

they were comparing A2 and DR

and ...

knife opens :"nice and easy gameplay, easy controls of team, not like total complicated and too hard Arma controls"

or

"nice balistics, real simulator, not like borring Arma which require a lot of power PC"

"super military game, guns have dispersion, weapon reload animations are totally killing Arma"

"sounds are great, Arma is poor cause sounds are poor, here sounds are super and loud"

etc.

so some 17-years old kids or CS/CoD fans make all black PR, cause for them Arma control menu is too hard to learn and DR they can learn in 5 minutes

it is pathetic to read review by 15 year boy that "recoil is realistic, balistics is realistic"

Arma usually has 10-20% lower rate than DR

but...

if 10% people of society have university degree and knows foreign language

it doesn't should mean that lower percentage of popularity means worse

Edited October 22, 2009 by vilas

[froggyluv 2136]

That new Ultimate AI mod is actually pretty good as it really opens up the firefight distance, enhances AI cover schemes a takes away that stupid 'bullet shield' that protects both player and AI.

Testing things out, I placed 20 US soldiers all in a village while 20 Chinese forces where incoming. I also placed an empty LAV and a 4man squad in a boat about 400 meters away, all with no real waypoints or orders.

The results were pretty impressive! The US forces stood around doing absolutely nothing until the Chinese were spotted, but then proceeded to send one firesquad far wide to flank and another firesquad actually jumped into the LAV and prepared for combat. The men in the boat, upon hearing gunfire, disembarked, and began working there way up scraggly rock, and flanked the Chinese from the other side. I have to admit, it looked pretty convincing and all of this done without any orders.

Another nice thing I noticed were AI really using cover very well. There was 1 Chinese soldier that was using a wall to pop and shoot many US so I sent my Ai team over to take him out. My squad actually used different angles to approach the wall but the Chinese soldier kept maneuvering correctly and eliminated my guys one at a time. The effeciency that an Ai bot was able to inch and adjust using that little wall was pretty impressive.

This mod has made the game much more interesting and it's worth a try. I'm starting to suffer from a psychotic split trying to analyze this game

Edited October 22, 2009 by froggyluv

[TangoRomeo 10]

PC Zone (UK) who awarded it a 92%.

PC Gamer revealed all it's faults whereas Zone never bothered to mention the dedicated servers.

amazon.de avg. customer rating (63 reviews) 2.5/5

amazon.com avg. customer rating (19 reviews) 2.5/5

amazon.co.uk avg. customer rating (29 reviews) 2.5/5

gamestar.de avg. user rating (168 ratings) 52/100

Some gaming mags are known for glaring reviews of titles that have a rather poor reception in public. Even that 92% review won't safe DR from becoming abandonware.