ArmA II: Operation Arrowhead discussion thread

[jakerod 254]

On the subject of lasing, will AI friendlies be able to lase things for the player? It does sound like they're playing up the technology side of things and the environment seems like a perfect setup for precise strikes on designated targets, so I'll keep my fingers crossed there's be some work on making the AI capable of using these kinds of tactics.

I have actually seen an AI Force Recon guy Lase a shilka in a mission I made before. I didn't script him to do it or anything. Sadly, there was nothing with LGBs or hellfires on the map but I did see him lase it. I was very confused to see through my NVGs a big glowing circle on the shilka. Took me a minute or two to figure out what it was.

I am hoping for more about the AI soon too. Then again maybe I would rather it be a surprise.

[ziiip 1]

I'm glad the barren island is less demanding, but its not just the island but the AI that really pulls the framerate down. BIS designed the game for 2015 PCs. : D

[Laqueesha 474]

Thanks for the scans, was good to read something other then [sic] the BS from other forum members keyboards.

The article certainly raised my excitement meter.

Agreed.

[Zipper5 74]

How does basicly saying 'hooray more frame rates" warrant insult. Was there something I was supposed to complain about, did I show too much joy in the possibility of running the game better?

It's not that, it's saying how it's one of the best things. Framerates over gameplay improvements. Years ago, no one would give a crap about the framerate of OFP so long as it was above 20 and it's gameplay was constantly being improved. Now, framerates and performance have become peoples' number 1 priority. It's depressing for long-time community members.

[Infam0us 10]

Hi all,

I just want them to fix the damn animations in this expansion. I love the game but when I have AT selected whilst standing and then go to crouch to fire it why does he have to get his primary weapon out and then his at again, just adds more time that you can get shot in.

Kind regards Infamous

[MavericK96 0]

It's not that, it's saying how it's one of the best things. Framerates over gameplay improvements. Years ago, no one would give a crap about the framerate of OFP so long as it was above 20 and it's gameplay was constantly being improved. Now, framerates and performance have become peoples' number 1 priority. It's depressing for long-time community members.

I think it's only a priority for some (many) users regarding this game because it's a pretty significant issue. Even with a super-fast machine, it's difficult to get reasonable framerates with ArmA2. True, there is a lot more going on than other games, but from a gameplay perspective none of that matters if the game is slow or unplayable.

[jw custom 56]

I'm glad the barren island is less demanding, but its not just the island but the AI that really pulls the framerate down. BIS designed the game for 2015 PCs. : D

...or your computer is from like 2007- :rolleyes:

[Zipper5 74]

True, there is a lot more going on than other games, but from a gameplay perspective none of that matters if the game is slow or unplayable.

For Arma2 and all of BIS' games, 20 FPS and above is reasonable and playable. You don't need incredible 60+ framerates for a much slower-paced game like Arma2. I'll admit I need a high framerate to play games like MW2 or other FPS titles, but for Arma2 it's not a requirement. People view 20 FPS to be unplayable, and that's just ridiculous and they should find a different game.

Most of who were hooked on OFP at its release played it at 20 FPS due to the hardware at the time, but they loved it, as did I. The gameplay is what matters, framerate is far from it. And unless you have a really shit PC (which you shouldn't expect high framerates out of anyways) you should run Arma2 at 20 FPS or more at medium to high settings.

[Przemek_kondor 13]

People view 20 FPS to be unplayable, and that's just ridiculous and they should find a different game.

Ridiculous is saying how people should play this elastic game. I like coops but also faster missions like DM or CTF.

There are also players with more sensitive eyes for whom 20fps is slideshow.

Edited April 15, 2010 by Przemek_kondor

[Laqueesha 474]

Slow frame rates?

Pfft.

Keep calm and carry on. :D

[NoRailgunner 0]

Only 20 FPS + stuttering + warping + http://dev-heaven.net/projects/cis/issues

...and than people are wrong if they like to see bugfixes, improvements and more optimizations?

Takistan will have less objects than Chernarus - lets see how fast many people will leave this island and dont move back. Trying to forget the issues they had with it but remembering this autumn beauty.

[Defunkt 431]

2009 game best experienced on a 2009 computer, I think (given everything it does and how good it looks) ArmA2's performance is a marvel.

[Kirq 0]

I just bought a new PC and new os. I didn't notices any FPS increase. It's still barely playable outdoors and unplayable in cities and some forests. So please don't tell me that performance and optimisation is not important thing in expansion. For me to be honest it's no1 problem. I can live with some bugs as long I can aim at runing enemy at 50m away without compensating a mouse lag....

[Zipper5 74]

You may buy a new PC but if you don't know exactly what's inside it then the "new" part kinda becomes irrelevant. Simply buying a new PC doesn't mean it has top-of-the-line hardware and will run games very well. What are the specs of it?

I have a rather modest rig - an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB, 2GB DDR2 RAM and Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit, and I get almost always above 25 FPS in Arma2 at almost full settings at my native resolution of 1440x900, and it's completely playable.

2009 game best experienced on a 2009 computer, I think (given everything it does and how good it looks) ArmA2's performance is a marvel.

^This x1000. :rolleyes:

Ridiculous is saying how people should play this elastic game. I like coops but also faster missions like DM or CTF.

There are also players with more sensitive eyes for whom 20fps is slideshow.

I play competitive PvP and do pretty damn well at it with my usual FPS of around 25 to 35. ;)

Edited April 15, 2010 by Zipper5

[Defunkt 431]

I just bought a new PC and new os. I didn't notices any FPS increase. It's still barely playable outdoors and unplayable in cities and some forests. So please don't tell me that performance and optimisation is not important thing in expansion. For me to be honest it's no1 problem. I can live with some bugs as long I can aim at runing enemy at 50m away without compensating a mouse lag....

Not that I experienced them but weren't all the mouse lag issues sorted several patches ago? Maybe you're just not cut-out for PC gaming, consoles are very successful in a large part because there are a lot people who want to play games but can't or won't deal with the configuration and optimisation involved in playing at the cutting edge of PC gaming. Seriously, maybe a console is a better fit for you. ArmA2 runs pretty sweet for me.

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And...

BIS designed the game for 2015 PCs. : D

Designing for future hardware is exactly what PC developers should be doing, especially for a title with the lifespan ArmA2 can expect. As we've all heard it might be a long time until ArmA 3 is released if ever, I for one take comfort in knowing Chernarus is still going to look great years from now and by then my PC will eat it.

[dm 9]

Last time I checked, this was the Operation: Arrowhead thread, not the "zomg BI games dont run well on my PC" thread :j:

[Zipper5 74]

Designing for future hardware is exactly what PC developers should be doing, especially for a title with the lifespan ArmA2 can expect. As we've all heard it might be a long time until ArmA 3 is released if ever, I for one take comfort in knowing Chernarus is still going to look great years from now and by then my PC will eat it.

Yes. I now get 100+ FPS in ArmA at full settings. It'll be awesome when I get the same with Arma2 a few years from now.

Last time I checked, this was the Operation: Arrowhead thread, not the "zomg BI games dont run well on my PC" thread :j:

Indeed. We've gone a bit offtopic.

[Tonci87 163]

A bit? You couldn´t be more far away of it

[Kristian 47]

Am I right that the new BIS Heat Scopes/FLIR can see trough certain objects? I got that understanding from one of the scanned news from PC gamer.

[jakerod 254]

A bit? You couldn´t be more far away of it

That's not even close to being true. I have not seen anyone bring up the teletubbies yet.

Framerates and mouse lag are an issue for me. They aren't always issues but the orange, yellow, and yellowish/green trees all cause problems for me. For some reason Chernogorsk runs like a dream. I can't fight in a lot of areas simply because the game slows down so much that it is impossible to aim. Sure I could buy a better computer but I don't have the money to do it. That is one of the reasons I am looking forward to OA so much. And that performance comment in the article was one of the most important to me. There will hopefully not be as many of those trees everywhere and I will not have to deal with it... hopefully. Along with that though, I am also hoping for some AI improvements, especially in that area of Combat Mode insubordinates. Beyond that I don't really care that much about anything. Had it just been the Island, Campaign, AI improvements, and they just retextured the Marines and their equipment I still would buy it.

Hopefully we get some more information and screenshots this weekend.

[Whoatherefatty 10]

If I didn't listen to my boss at work I would be fired quickly. So I can imagine ignoring a direct order in the military would be a very serious offense. The god damn corpsman should heal whoever I say when I say. If he dies then I will pay the consequences of one less gun and no doc. If he runs 20 meters away from the guy he should heal and just lays down ima throw a made at him. At the very least the corpsman should drag the body to somewhere he feels safe rather than just laying there.

[Tonci87 163]

That's not even close to being true. I have not seen anyone bring up the teletubbies yet.

touché :D

@Kristian Yes it seams so. Hidiing behind bushes or Trees will get you in serious Trouble now...

[Kirq 0]

You may buy a new PC but if you don't know exactly what's inside it then the "new" part kinda becomes irrelevant. Simply buying a new PC doesn't mean it has top-of-the-line hardware and will run games very well. What are the specs of it?

i7 860, 4GB ram, 260GTX, Win732bit

I have a rather modest rig - an Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 @ 3.00GHz, nVIDIA GeForce GTX 280 1GB, 2GB DDR2 RAM and Windows 7 Ultimate 32bit, and I get almost always above 25 FPS in Arma2 at almost full settings at my native resolution of 1440x900, and it's completely playable.

If "almost always above 25 FPS" is good enough for You then we have different expectations...

[Alex72 1]

I have pretty good FPS as well. Only when too much AI starts "thinking" my pc halts, but thats because of my several years old AMD dual core. Ive seen gameplay with a lot of AI on i7's with GTX260 and up wich shows awesome FPS. I think tweaking the game a lot before you get good FPS is needed though. Not talking about tweak addons, but the game itself - settings.

And not to forget the ARMA2.CFG. Change to:

GPU_MaxFramesAhead=1;

GPU_DetectedFramesAhead=1;

They help a lot when it comes to mouse lag. At least for me and those i know.

However it seems BIS thaught about performance regarding OA so lets just kick back, take a chill pill, and await the great expansion. :)

[Zipper5 74]

If "almost always above 25 FPS" is good enough for You then we have different expectations...

Well, yes then, we do. If that's the case, then you'll just always be disappointed until it reaches the point where hardware has advanced far enough that you can have a setup that will run Arma2 at full settings and get 60+ FPS. Your choice if you're going to stick around that long, took about 2 or 3 years with ArmA.