Blink Dog 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I think that this is the only thread on these forums where absolutely everyone has agreed about something. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 9, 2004 Wow, last time I checked it was stationary at 75 signees.At when is it planned to deliver the petition to the EGM people? You mean when it is planned to inform them of the petition? We could do that at the end of January... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I did post a link to it on their forums before the original complaining thread was locked. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MLF 0 Posted January 9, 2004 Quote[/b] ]the good news is that EGM decided to apologize for their action. I think this was well handled. YEa they said that a while ago, nothing to do with a petition, tbh online petitions never get anywhere they only way a petition makes an impact if its actually signed on paper and delivered to there door with some publicity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tamme 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I think that this is the only thread on these forums where absolutely everyone has agreed about something. No, there was the Berlusconi thread a while back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blink Dog 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I never saw that thread so I'll take your word for it. Seems like we have over 700 replies. We should give it a few more days I think then have it submitted. Even though we are not supposed to chat about other forums I thought I would fill some of you in. Seems like the opinions at the CS forums are more mature than we thought, maybe we should never assume they are immature again. At Elecplay and the IGDA forums there is alot of useful discussion on the subject especially at IGDA since it is industry folks who are tackling such problems with the gaming industry as a whole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxtrot87 0 Posted January 9, 2004 Thank you for starting this thread and collecting that enormous number of signatures for the petition! I really appreciate your work and your attention towards this matter (i'm a Russian). This act only shows that there are people who really care. Talking about some people on flashpoint.ru who hate Americans i can say that there are idiots in every country (and the fact that they say sh*t about USA only proves their stupidity). Just stay calm when they say it and you'll prove yourself smarter. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 9, 2004 Quote[/b] ]the good news is that EGM decided to apologize for their action. I think this was well handled. YEa they said that a while ago, nothing to do with a petition, tbh online petitions never get anywhere they only way a petition makes an impact if its actually signed on paper and delivered to there door with some publicity. I disagree with you 100%. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted January 9, 2004 435 just right now.the good news is that EGM decided to apologize for their action. I think this was well handled. Any link to an official statment from them? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted January 9, 2004 By ShawElliot. He's near the bottom.http://boards.1up.com/zd....&page=2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earl 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I don't think its terribly smart move of Ziff David to threaten the guy who originally posted the disrespectful image.  Just apologize and let it go... Quote[/b] ]The Guns Network LLC P.O. Box 760067 San Antonio, TX. 78245-0067 Dear Mr. Stowell: I am writing on behalf of Ziff Davis Media Inc. (“Ziff Davisâ€), the publisher of ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY Magazine and the www.egmmag.com website. It has come to our attention that images taken from the February 2004 issue of ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY Magazine (the “Contentâ€) have been reproduced, distributed and displayed on your Guns Network LLC website at http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg . Your actions are unlawful and constitute an infringement Ziff Davis’ copyright and other intellectual property rights. We hereby demand that you immediately discontinue all reproduction, distribution and display of the Content, whether on the Guns Network site or elsewhere, and that you immediately provide us with written assurances that you (i) have discontinued all reproduction, distribution and display of the Content and (ii) will not reproduce, distribute or display any other material previously published in ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY Magazine or in any other publication or website owned by Ziff Davis. Your unlawful reproduction, distribution and display of the Content is causing us economic harm – particularly at a time when the issue of ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY containing the Content is on the newsstands. We additionally have the right to statutory damages and we are expressly reserving all of our rights. Please be aware that we are also sending a copy of this letter to your hosting site to bring to their attention your infringement of our proprietary rights Your immediate response to the foregoing is essential. If we do not hear from you within three (3) business days, or if we are not satisfied with your response, we will consider all appropriate action to protect our rights. Sincerely, _ Tara Garfinkle Intellectual Property Manager Ziff Davis Media Inc. phone: 212.503.3554 fax: 212.503.3560 email: tara_garfinkle@ziffdavis.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earl 0 Posted January 9, 2004 The guy who noticed this and brought it to our attention is Roman Stepanov (credited for work on Ghost Recon as the Russian Authenticity Advisor) and he has tons of contacts in the MVD and Russian military. He's contacting everybody he knows in Russia's armed forces, included the guys depicted in the photos, and the families of the fallen soldiers whose faces were covered up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
denoir 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I don't think its terribly smart move of Ziff David to threaten the guy who originally posted the disrespectful image. Â This must be one of the more moronic things I've seen. What are they, complete idiots? First of all, by now they must be aware of people's objections against the picture and threatening people won't exactly enlarge the number of their fans. Second, Ziff Davis has stolen the intellectual property of the people who took the original picture. So they're not really in position to talk about stealing stuff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DracoPaladore 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I think the difference is that the photo of the soldiers honour gaurd was public, meaning that it probobly had no copywright to it in the first place. So it's not really stealing. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
earl 0 Posted January 9, 2004 No, I think they purchased it from Getty Images. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted January 9, 2004 The guy who noticed this and brought it to our attention is Roman Stepanov (credited for work on Ghost Recon as the Russian Authenticity Advisor) and he has tons of contacts in the MVD and Russian military. He's contacting everybody he knows in Russia's armed forces, included the guys depicted in the photos, and the families of the fallen soldiers whose faces were covered up. -ouch- .... that would have been the thing to do at first .... well .... i hope they'll can face this one .... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Placebo 29 Posted January 9, 2004 Well the good thing is with Ziff Davis claiming ownership of the image it gives the survivors of the soldiers killed a clear place to aim their lawsuit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gollum1 0 Posted January 9, 2004 I thought the reaction on that EGM forum was far from heartfelt. Reluctant at best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJAM 0 Posted January 9, 2004 Quote[/b] ]Your unlawful reproduction, distribution and display of the Content is causing us economic harm yeah......by showing how heartless they can be. hasnt that guy heard of "reasonable use" this means that images can be copied form websites and the person copying it cannot be arrested for copyright violation because it was reasonably used, and it this case it was......to let people know of the disrespect those guys did to Russian soldiers (and possibly ALL soldiers) everywhere. the way i see it EGM have done a greater crime to the nation of Russia, and to all the families of the soldiers who'se faces were replaced, and im sure that the European Advertisement Commision wouldnt look too happily at the use of that image! (sorry to repeat a picture but i must point something out to you now read the bit in red, im pretty sure the edited image defaced the original one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ran 0 Posted January 9, 2004 Well the good thing is with Ziff Davis claiming ownership of the image it gives the survivors of the soldiers killed a clear place to aim their lawsuit if i was one of the honor guards pictured , or the brother of a victim , it would be a clear place where to aim my 7.62X54R bullet ... no politics involved here, it's just that when i see these pictures of young men held by close friends , comrade in arms i think about my brothers , my little brother especially who is still in the army, i could really well one day have to be in the same situation as these boys , or he could have to carry my picture around ... i wouldn't be able to take that a picture taken during a ceremony of that kind would be modified for commercial , humourous or simple gap-filling purpose i can imagine the distress and discontent of the people in question , but i hope i will never have to feel it as much as i hope i will never have to feel the loss of a relative or a friend in conditions such as Chechnya war or any war all my thoughts now go to the famillies who will now have to endure this affront to the memories of their sons brothers and friends who died on the battlefield. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 9, 2004 Well the good thing is with Ziff Davis claiming ownership of the image it gives the survivors of the soldiers killed a clear place to aim their lawsuit And now we know for sure they had to know the original content of the image, or they broke copyrights. As you can see we should carry on the petition... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 1 Posted January 9, 2004 This letter is self defeating, as stated before, they knew what was originially in the image, and therefore have lied about knowing what was there. These idiots (EGM) really crack me up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted January 9, 2004 Hey look, even Bush singned it lol Quote[/b] ]George Bush USA Russians: Calm down and change your tone, and than, may be, we will concider your "request"! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KJAM 0 Posted January 9, 2004 hmm seems as though at least one person has come to terms with the mistake. i wrote her an email Quote[/b] ]-----Original Message-----From: Kevin A [mailto:dude_101uk@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:28 PM To: Garfinkle, Tara Subject: Regarding the SOCOM Advertisement having seen your letter to the guns network LLC The Guns Network LLC P.O. Box 760067 San Antonio, TX. 78245-0067 Dear Mr. Stowell: I am writing on behalf of Ziff Davis Media Inc. (“Ziff Davisâ€), the publisher of ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY Magazine and the www.egmmag.com website. It has come to our attention that images taken from the February 2004 issue of ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY Magazine (the “Contentâ€) have been reproduced, distributed and displayed on your Guns Network LLC website at http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg . Your actions are unlawful and constitute an infringement Ziff Davis’ copyright and other intellectual property rights. We hereby demand that you immediately discontinue all reproduction, distribution and display of the Content, whether on the Guns Network site or elsewhere, and that you immediately provide us with written assurances that you (i) have discontinued all re production, distribution and display of the Content and (ii) will not reproduce, distribute or display any other material previously published in ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY Magazine or in any other publication or website owned by Ziff Davis. Your unlawful reproduction, distribution and display of the Content is causing us economic harm – particularly at a time when the issue of ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY containing the Content is on the newsstands. We additionally have the right to statutory damages and we are expressly reserving all of our rights. Please be aware that we are also sending a copy of this letter to your hosting site to bring to their attention your infringement of our proprietary rights Your immediate response to the foregoing is essential. If we do not hear from you within three (3) business days, or if we are not satisfied with your response, we will consider all appropriate action to protect our rights. Sincerely, dont you think that having knowingly used a picture that replaced the dead soldiers of Russia with an advertisement is pretty disgusting, and frankly i would have thought you to know better, whether you hold copyright on that image or not..............the fact is you are severly disrespecting the fallen soldiers of a nation, how would you feel if a picture of US Soldiers killed in iraq were used to advertise a game guide, possibly even members of your family...........you would be pretty mad, in fact you would be furious and that is how many people who arent even russian feel about you posting that image. i hope that the government and standards agencies come down on you as hard as can be..........and i also suppose that the russian government pretty much dont like you too, Dont bother replying........i dont want to waste my time with heartless bastards and bitches like you guys ever again as you can see the last bit was especially viscious.....but thats how my mind was workign, annyway this is the reply i got, she has apparantly emailed the guy she was threatening in that GUNS LLC thingy Quote[/b] ]-----Original Message-----From: Garfinkle, Tara Sent: Friday, January 09, 2004 5:15 PM To: 'admin@gunsnet.net' Subject: FW: Unauthorized Use of Electronic Gaming Monthly Materials Dear Mr. Stowell: At the moment my company is in the process of contacting the editors of ELECTRONIC GAMING MONTHLY. We apologize if the photo has offended the Veteran community, we did not mean any disrespect. A more in depth apology will be sent out but I quickly wanted to let you know that we are sorry for any offense this has caused. Respectfully, so at least one person realises, i hope, id better go off now and apoloizze for my harsh language hehehe Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedyDonkey 0 Posted January 9, 2004 Hey look, even Bush singned it  lolQuote[/b] ]George Bush USA Russians: Calm down and change your tone, and than, may be, we will concider your "request"! lol  Seriously though, After hearing that the magazine would post an apology i really thought this was settled. And then what? These EGM guys start threatening the guy who found out about this and simply informed others. I really wonder what this ultimately leads to. edit: some minor stuff  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
