Lock on: modern air combat

[Supah 0]

I bet their propellers went the wrong way too.

It was the Li-2 and it was as very capable aircraft. If i am not mistaken on is being/has been restored to flying condition

[Tovarish 0]

I bet their propellers went the wrong way too.

It was the Li-2 and it was as very capable aircraft. If i am not mistaken on is being/has been restored to flying condition

I think FS was just making a Su-47 joke

*edit* hmm, weird, never noticed how the right "stinger" by the engine nozzle is longer than the left one, it's like that in real life photos too...

[FSPilot 0]

Actually I was joking at how they do everything backwards, at least propeller wise. Most if not all russian made propeller planes prop's spin the opposite way of US made ones. Helicopters too.

[Tovarish 0]

Any links on that? I have to admit I know more about how jets work, but wouldn't that make the difference between a pulling prop and a pusher?

*edit* then again I guess that would also depend on which way the prop blade curves

[FSPilot 0]

Nope, no link. saw it on TV once.

it might be in a magazine article on the An-2 I read on a lunch break once too. i seem to remember the guy telling about his left leg being tired. he kept having to push to the left because the backwards spinning of the prop cause the torque to pull the nose of the plane in the other direction (it pulls to the right in american made planes). plus it was such a strong engine it just wore his leg out.

[Tovarish 0]

You heard it first at Not such a complete waste of space :

Quote[/b] ]Ubi is the publisher for Lock On. TFC/Eagle is the developer. I work with the developer. I do coordinate things with Matt Wager, but Ubi is no longer directly in my life.

We're going to do an unofficial add on for Lock On that provides a flyable F/A-18C.

Lock On is looking great. We're still killing bugs and hope to have it finished by the end of the Summer.

Cheers,

Carl

That would be the same Carl I quoted before on the same topic, Ie a producer .

[cam0flage 0]

We used DC-3 for recon on Soviet's coast

This is slighty offtopic, but I thought some people might find it interesting. Found this from usenet a while ago - a very good post if you ask me.

Cold War incidents between Sweden and Soviet Union

1952

A Swedish AF DC-3 ELINT aircraft with 8 crew disappears over the Baltic. The

aircraft was transmitting a coded radio call every hour, and at the

scheduled time for the next message the identification letter was sent but

then there was nothing but silence. A massive search was immidiately

undertaken with every available aircraft and ship but with very little

results.

One later report speaks of a possible ninth crew member, since nine

parachutes was requested and delivered to the crew. Speculations are that

this was a NATO officer accompanying the flight.

A few days later one of three PBY Catalinas participating in the search is

shot down by russian Mig-15 fighters. Migs have to make multiple runs at the

Catalina before it is forced to make an emergency landing on the surface.

All crew are rescued by a German freighter. Soviet later accuses the downed

aircraft of having violated Soviet airspace, but that was one of the other

Catalinas...

1952

Hardly a combat situation or even an incident, but on the way home from a

Spithead fleet review in UK the Swedish light cruiser GÖTA LEJON races

across the North Sea with the Soviet Sverdlovsk class light cruiser

OKTYABRSKAYA REVOLUTSIYA. While both ships are in good condition being

rather new (Soviet/Russia never send/s anything but the best ships abroad),

speeds in excess of 35 kts are attained on the GÖTA LEJON. Do I have to

mention which won by a large marginal? Didn´t think so...

1958

Defense decision spells of a drastic cut for the RSwN from 30 to 20% of

total defense spending.

1966

The Sw 1,200 ton frigate (one of only two real ASW frigates in the RSwN)

SUNDSVALL is being harassed by a Soviet 300 ton Kronstadt class submarine

chaser acting as the Baltic approaches guardship. It all ends with the

Soviet ship ramming the Swedish frigate amidships. No casualties on

SUNDSVALL, but situation on the Soviet ship unknown.

1972

Defense decision spells that all shipborne ASW will be withdrawn, and the

question of protection for the supply convoys to Gotland in war will be

solved by "other means".

1970´s

Several incidents with possible submarine intrusions around Gotland with one

larger operation at Kappelhamnsviken in the north in 1975.

One larger and two smaller Swedish minesweepers attacks a possible sub with

depth charges on the west coast of Sweden. Debris incl. a logbook with

Soviet text and a diver suite are found a few days later.

A Swedish SH 37 Viggen reconnaissance aircraft is harassed by two Soviet

Su-15 Flagons over the Baltic. The Swedish aircraft dives to near sea level

and heads for Swedish waters at full speed. One of the Su-15s crashes into

the sea in an attempt to follow. The other, possibly believing that his

comrade was shot down, tries to get a missile lock on the Swedish aircraft.

The Swedish pilot makes it to the border after having heard the radar

warnings beeping in his earphones for most of the way home.

(These incidents mentioned above has not been published much and I know very

little about them.)

1975

A mutiny breaks out on the Soviet Krivak-I class frigate Storozhevoy laying

at the naval base in Baltisjk (?). It is lead by the political officer

onboard and the commanding officer is looked up in his cabin. The ship heads

for Gotland at high speed, but after a few hours she is intercepted and

attacked by overwhelming Soviet air and surface forces.

1976

Two Swedish 37 Viggen reconnaissance aircrafts takes photos of a Soviet

warship (a Krivak frigate?). When the photos are developed they reveal that

two SAN-4 SAM missiles were launched at the Swedish aircrafts. Fortunately

no hits were obtained.

1977

Defense decision spells ASW work will be performed by seven Vertol 107 helos

working with surface units that are primarily built for other missions.

1980

The "official" beginning of the long "war" against unknown submarine

intrusions when Swedish destroyer HALLAND has a close encounter. Commanding

captain are not allowed to use his Bofors 375 mm ASW rockets.

1981

The Soviet Whiskey class sub U 137 is discovered in the morning on ground

near the Karlskrona naval base in the south. All available army, air and

naval forces are mobilized. In the evening the same day a Soviet surface

force is detected heading at flank speed for the Swedish border outside

Karlskrona. This force includes one Kashin DDG, one Kildin DDG and two

Nanuchka missile corvettes (later joined by additional units). The fire

control radar of a Swedish 15,2 cm coastal gun battery are tracking the

Soviet task force. A message is sent to the Swedish prime minister: What to

do if they cross the border? Answer is: "Keep the border" (with all means).

The fire control radar of the battery changes from surveillance mode to

target following mode as the Soviet task force closes on the border, and

after a few tense minutes this is noticed on the Soviet ships and they

finally stop at the border line. What the Soviets didn´t know was that there

had not been sufficent time or personal to man more than one of the three

twin gun mounts!

1982

Large ASW operation at Hårsfjärden southeast of Stockholm (largest Sw naval

base). For the first time controlled mines with 650 kg charge are used

against contacts indicated on the magnetic cables (although they are

detonated with a few seconds delay). Last real ASW capable ship destroyer

HALLAND is decommissioned during this operation. Tracks are found on the

seabed afterwards possibly coming from tracked minisubmersibles. One patrol

boat gets a contact which possibly is a minisub docking with a larger mother

sub on the seabed, but are not allowed to launch any weapons. One track on

the seabed is said to come from the keel of a Soviet Whiskey class sub.

1984

Large ASW operation at Karlskrona naval base in the south. Everything is

used including hand grenades and fire arms against any possible submerged

contact. Dogs tracks a possible unidentified diver running across an island.

1985

First two of the new coastal corvettes with ASW capability are commissioned.

1988

Large ASW operation southeast of Stockholm. A Swedish minehunter "paints"

the seabed with it´s HF sonar and detects a 28 m minisub laying on the

seabed, but continues past while radioing for help. Two guided-missile

patrol boats rushes in at 30 kts and releases their full ordnance of depth

charges over the (unsuspecting?) sub. Later examination of the seabed

reveals that the nearest charges have detonated only a few meters away. The

next day a Swedish Coast guard CASA 212 patrol plane with thermal camera

detects a track of colder water coming to the surface. This track points

from the area where the attack took place the day before (damaged minisub

limping home?) Note: Soviet/Russian Piraya class minisub has a length of 28

m.

Late 80´s

An ASW torpedo with live warhead of Italian manufacture bought as a stop-gap

for shallow water use (pending the delivery of suitable indigenious types)

is launched for the first time with no apparent result. Poor training with

the torpedo system is believed to be the reason.

1992

Last year with confirmed contacts of intruding subs or submersibles. The

unarmed Swedish intelligence collector Orion is harassed by a Russian Sonya

class coastal minehunter while observing the trials of a Kilo class SSK. A

minor collision occurs and Sweden sends fighter aircrafts and missile armed

patrol boats to the rescue.

1996

A Swedish AJSH 37 Viggen reconnaissance aircraft (accompanied by an AJSF 37)

crashes into the sea while trying to take photos of the new Russian nuclear

battlecruiser Petr Veliky (Peter the Great) on trials in the Baltic. The

pilot is believed killed. A shadowing Lithuanian patrol boat reports hearing

gun fire, but based upon the report from the surviving pilot in the other

Viggen Swedish AF regards it as an accident. Russia later accuses the

Swedish AF of having made a simulated attack on the cruiser!

[iNeo 0]

We used DC-3 for recon on Soviet's coast

This is slighty offtopic, but I thought some people might find it interesting. Found this from usenet a while ago - a very good post if you ask me.

Thanks ! Really interesting, gonna read it through and save. About 2 weeks ago, the shot down DC-3 was found in the Baltic Sea aswell! Thanks again

[cam0flage 0]

No problem. I also noticed that they had found the aircraft.

Agreed, that post is very good. I tried to search similar facts about incidents between Finland and Soviet Union, but was unable to find any. The usual policy here towards Russia tends to keep things away from the public ...

Few things I can remember is the fact that during the 50s and 60s northern Finland was an area of extensive violations of the borderline by both Soviet Union and United States. US spy planes would fly over to Kola peninsula to observe the submarine bases etc. while the Russian MiGs would try to stop them. I found some facts about one incident over Lapland where a spy plane was severely damaged by Russians. Before this event, the Russians had deployed MiG-15s to the bases in the area, which were unable to climb high enough to intercept the spy planes. What US intelligence failed to know was that the Russians had deployed new MiG-17s which were more than able of reaching cruising altitude of the spy plane. The US plane turned around while the Soviets pursued and damaged the plane quite badly, but still it was able to limp back to a base in Norway.

Well, I guess that's the offtopic bit for this thread

[iNeo 0]

To get back on-topic, the Swedish store Webhallen has the release date of LOMAC set for 4th of July.

[FSPilot 0]

Can you translate that for us? I only speek l33t and english.

[Longinius 1]

"To get back on-topic, the Swedish store Webhallen has the release date of LOMAC set for 4th of July."

I wonder how they are gonna pull that of, since Ubi Soft arent releasing it until the 3rd of October.

[FSPilot 0]

when did ubi announce the release date?

[iNeo 0]

"To get back on-topic, the Swedish store Webhallen has the release date of LOMAC set for 4th of July."

I wonder how they are gonna pull that of, since Ubi Soft arent releasing it until the 3rd of October.

Best Buy has the release date set for 3rd of July. Probably these dates are what the stores was told a while ago.

Ubi is however releasing it on the 23rd of September according to their forums, not 3rd of October. Don't know which is correct, surely no one does (not even the developers).

[iNeo 0]

Can you translate that for us?  I only speek l33t and english.

The important part is:

Quote[/b] ]Releasedatum: 2003-07-04

...which means "Release date: 2003-07-04".

[FSPilot 0]

I just spoke with a guy who said he was on the LOMAC development team. He said...

"There is no way it will be released on July 4th. Even if we went Code Final today there would not be enough time to manufacture and distribute."

still no solid date though

[FallenPaladin 0]

I have no problem with delayed release dates (in a certain timeframe e.g. 1-2 months) as long as the game is good and without bugs.

[FSPilot 0]

exactly

and as long as it doesnt release the day i go off to college so i wont have any time to play it!

[MLF 0]

aslong as its not released on the 30th of spetember ill be happy, or when HW 2 or h&d 2 or MP 2 is released.

[silent_64 0]

AGGHHHH.... Why don't you just shot me now!!

Quote[/b] ]The complete list of non-flyable aircraft includes:

F-14A Tomcat

F-16C Fighting Falcon

Tornado IDS

MiG-25P Foxbat

MiG-25R Foxbat

MiG-31 Foxhound

WHY... WHY... They took my babys away... Bastards!!

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Some screens someone posted on the Lomac forums. Not much, but enough to keep me happy.

http://yaklolev.free.fr/LOMAC/screens-010703/LockOn-C6-01.jpg

http://yaklolev.free.fr/LOMAC/screens-010703/LockOn-C6-02.jpg

http://yaklolev.free.fr/LOMAC/screens-010703/LockOn-C6-03.jpg

http://yaklolev.free.fr/LOMAC/screens-010703/LockOn-C6-04.jpg

http://yaklolev.free.fr/LOMAC/screens-010703/LockOn-C6-05.jpg

http://yaklolev.free.fr/LOMAC/screens-010703/LockOn-C6-06.jpg

[ran 0]

@ July 02 2003,02:56)]http://yaklolev.free.fr/LOMAC/screens-010703/LockOn-C6-04.jpg

your mission if you accept it , is to destroy the latest advancement in russian technology :

the SAIL BOAT , it's used to hide 13 SS20 ICBM's ready to launch , it's also an ASAT warfare platform coupled with an advanced detection system

[FSPilot 0]

a sail boat!?

[Tovarish 0]

a sail boat!?

Hey back in Flanker 1.0, if you flew low enough, you could see Lada's and Kamaz trucks on the roads, why is it so surprizing that they have a few civilian objects?.

I especially like that last screenshot of the MiG-29 cockpit - nice new feature - the avionics are not in Shlem (Helmet targetting mode), but the helmet targeting sight is operating when the target is not within the HUD.

[MLF 0]

i guess FF aint simulated in this game