Lock on: modern air combat

[FSPilot 0]

OOH! Look at the shadow on the nose of the left airplane in this picture.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

I reinstalled Jane's USAF today to brush up on my modern avionics skillz, so that I won't be completely lost the first time I see an MFD in LOMAC. Fun game, too bad it has major issues with XP.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

OOH!  Look at the shadow on the nose of the left airplane in this picture.

hehe, so close, and yet so far lol. Can't fault them for the effort, though.

[Longinius 1]

"wait, is that your job. I will start my mourning today. I wish I was u, but I bet u get to play CRAAAPy games like the sims online? Did u play half life 2 yet?"

I dont play Sims and no, I havent played Half Life 2. I only get to play the games published by my company. And we dont have Half Life 2, sadly.

"What is the usual bribe you take for sending someone like me one of the betas?"

Hehe, you wish ;P I like my job to much to do that though. Otherwise, a cookie would suffice. I am cheap that way.

"Ahhhh, so you're one of those guys who write the press releases that read like "From the Christlike makers of the groundbreaking, insanely popular Soldier of Fortune, comes the vaunted Soldier of Fortune 2, which is set to cure world hunger and make you 3 inches taller, and may in fact contain the collective hopes of humanity within its code. Coming soon to a fine retailer near you!""

No...I translate them though. Which usually means I have to cut out half of it to make it sound at least slightly realistic

[ran 0]

Quote[/b] ]Thank you for the suggestion and the feedback.

The Mirage is being considered along with lots of other aircraft for possible add on products.

We've been in touch with reps from the defense industry for possible cooperation.

I appreciate the Dassault link. Have you know someone there or have you actually spoken to anyone with Dassault?

Cheers,

Carl

Carl C. Norman

Executive Producer & Consultant

The Fighter Collection/Eagle Dynamics

hmm ... no , taken a Falcon 100 once , but that's all

Dassault makes great private jets

look at this baby :

and by the way , a Rafale with new block fuel on the top of the fuselage tanks :

http://www.rafale.com.sg/pictures/84.jpg

http://www.rafale.com.sg/pictures/76.jpg

http://www.rafale.com.sg/pictures/85.jpg

[Tovarish 0]

and by the way , a Rafale with new block fuel on the top of the fuselage tanks :

Yeah Conformal Fuel tanks seem to be in fashion these days:

http://216.120.233.2/zuisk7i....cat=546

IMHO they look ugly as sin though  

[ran 0]

and by the way , a Rafale with new block fuel on the top of the fuselage tanks :

Yeah Conformal Fuel tanks seem to be in fashion these days:

<img src="http://216.120.233.2/zuisk7i5675/data/546/1HAF-F16-B52PLUS------40-med.jpg?1385">

IMHO they look ugly as sin though  

yeah , but you don't have to use all your weapon pylons to carry fuel pods

the Rafale is already being fielded and won't have to pass through a long amelioration process to make it a real multirole aircraft unlike the typhoon

did you know the Rafale could carry 1.5 more ton of weaponary than the EF2000 eventhough it's almost a ton lighter ? the rafale also has a faster climbing rate and better avionics ?

[Tovarish 0]

Here's another pic of an F-16 fitted with those...and am I seeing things...or does that F-16 have an IRST?  

*edit* BTW, freshly released Su-25 video (9mb)

ftp://ftp.ubisoft.de/lockon/lockon_movie20.zip

screenshots:

http://lockon.ubisoft.de/ss5/sshot74.jpg

http://lockon.ubisoft.de/ss5/sshot75.jpg

These updates are coming faster and faster, good sign .

[iNeo 0]

@ June 25 2003,22:45)]

@ June 25 2003,01:01)]

Not gonna buy it until they put in Gripen.

I wouldn't hold yer breath  

Why don't they put it in?

Read Tovarish's last few posts.

I don't see anything and I checked back to page 9.

[Tovarish 0]

I don't see anything and I checked back to page 9.

Let me recap what i wrote:

Quote[/b] ]You have to keep in mind that it isn't just a matter of getting the flight models right, but also all the avionics.

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Hey, people want a realistic flight simulation but then they want to be able to add well modelled flyable aircraft every other week? it dosen't work that way . Consider yourselves lucky that the Su-27 and MiG-29 are no longer the only flyable planes.

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remember that Eagle Dynamics is based in Moscow, Russia, and who else has realisticly portrayed the Su-27 or Mig-29 in a flight simm save for them in their Flanker series? No one. For me that's the draw, the Russian planes with honest to goodness Russian avionics and weapon systems. Now compare that with the number of F-15 and A-10 (not so recently for the A-10, but that was the reason that Western planes were even added) which have been made.

Now, there IS a possibility for more aircraft, but only in expansion form. The developers have hinted this would happen if Lo-Mac sold well enough. A likely candidate would be the F-18 - a single seat carrier fighter to counter the Su-33.

And what a Lo-Mac producer wrote:

Quote[/b] ]The Mirage is being considered along with lots of other aircraft for possible add on products.

We've been in touch with reps from the defense industry for possible cooperation.

Clear enough?

[FSPilot 0]

did you know the Rafale could carry 1.5 more ton of weaponary than the EF2000 eventhough it's almost a ton lighter ? the rafale also has a faster climbing rate and better avionics ?

Yeah but how expensive is it?  

I'm starting to sound like my father.

edit - WOW!!!

that new Su-25 video had me bouncing in my seat

SAMs, AAA tracers look VERY cool

mmm...

[ran 0]

did you know the Rafale could carry 1.5 more ton of weaponary than the EF2000 eventhough it's almost a ton lighter ? the rafale also has a faster climbing rate and better avionics ?

Yeah but how expensive is it?  

I'm starting to sound like my father.

knowing that the german never stop whining about the EF2000's price and also knowing the developpement of the bird lasted from the middle of the 80's to now ......

it might be a little bit cheaper than the rafale , but i'd prefer having a fully capable multirole fighter than a interceptor which makes a halfassed attack aircraft just able to drop unguided bombsin risky conditions

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a rafale costs within 50 and 60 million euros while the Typhoon costs about 63 millions

the rafale is cpable of strinikg with anti-radar missiles , laser guided missiles , stand off missile , laser guided bombs and so on , while the EF2000 as it is now and as it will be first issued is just able to carry unguided bombs

[Tovarish 0]

edit - WOW!!!  

that new Su-25 video had me bouncing in my seat

SAMs, AAA tracers look VERY cool

mmm...

Not to mention the CBU's exploding in the air and releasing bomblets....the suspension on the armour of all things...just look at how beautifully the suspension is modelled! and the damage model, I love the vapour trail from the wing after that close proximity detonation by a MANPAD. Best video yet .

Oh and Naggin Nadya after he gets hit "Look at your instruments"

[Tex -USMC- 0]

holy shit that's awesome!

edit: wow, seeing that manpad arcing in just as he started his bomb run had to be absolutely terrifying- good thing it just nicked him. His aim could use some work though lol- not as if every other human being within 3 square miles was trying to kill him or anything.

[edc 0]

Look very nice!

[iNeo 0]

Clear enough?

Well, thanks, but that little ending was kind of uncalled for...

Quote[/b] ]When will Lock On hit stores shelves?

Summer 2003.

Soon? Anyone know a more precise period/date?

[SKULLS_Viper 0]

Nice video!

[MLF 0]

forgive my ignorance but why was he launching flares?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

forgive my ignorance but why was he launching flares?

Manpad shoulder-launched missiles track in on heat sources, so he was trying to make it was difficult as possible for the guys on the ground to get a solid lock on him. Besides, you don't get an RWR notification because it's a passive type of homing, so he was just covering his bases and making sure someone behind him didn't launch.

[MLF 0]

ah right it looked in the video as if it was just AAA

[Badgerboy 0]

did you know the Rafale could carry 1.5 more ton of weaponary than the EF2000 eventhough it's almost a ton lighter ? the rafale also has a faster climbing rate and better avionics ?

Yeah but how expensive is it?  

I'm starting to sound like my father.

knowing that the german never stop whining about the EF2000's price and also knowing the developpement of the bird lasted from the middle of the 80's to now ......

it might be a little bit cheaper than the rafale , but i'd prefer having a fully capable multirole fighter than a interceptor which makes a halfassed attack aircraft just able to drop unguided bombsin risky conditions

edit :

a rafale costs within 50 and 60 million euros while the Typhoon costs about 63 millions

the rafale is cpable of strinikg with anti-radar missiles , laser guided missiles , stand off missile , laser guided bombs and so on , while the EF2000 as it is now and as it will be first issued is just able to carry unguided bombs

The tranche 3 Typhoons will be very formidable. The later version will be able to carry up to 8 ALARMS (The best Anti Radiation missile in the world to date) for a SEAD mission, and thats including a pair of outboard ASRAAMs, and 4 AMRAAM's (Hopefully Meteor soon) for self defense!

And having seen the avionic specs of the later versions, I am very, very impressed. The missile avoidance system, and laser jammer is particulary neat. (The intel guy still wouldn't tell me the RCS after I had plied him with beers. Bastard! )

[Tex -USMC- 0]

ah right it looked in the video as if it was just AAA

Nah, there were 2 manpad launches as well, and one of them clipped him pretty good- that's what caused the fuel leak. Watch for the lazy smoke trails, theyre a dead giveaway.

[ran 0]

did you know the Rafale could carry 1.5 more ton of weaponary than the EF2000 eventhough it's almost a ton lighter ? the rafale also has a faster climbing rate and better avionics ?

Yeah but how expensive is it?  

I'm starting to sound like my father.

knowing that the german never stop whining about the EF2000's price and also knowing the developpement of the bird lasted from the middle of the 80's to now ......

it might be a little bit cheaper than the rafale , but i'd prefer having a fully capable multirole fighter than a interceptor which makes a halfassed attack aircraft just able to drop unguided bombsin risky conditions

edit :

a rafale costs within 50 and 60 million euros while the Typhoon costs about 63 millions

the rafale is cpable of strinikg with anti-radar missiles , laser guided missiles , stand off missile , laser guided bombs and so on , while the EF2000 as it is now and as it will be first issued is just able to carry unguided bombs

The tranche 3 Typhoons will be very formidable. The later version will be able to carry up to 8 ALARMS (The best Anti Radiation missile in the world to date) for a SEAD mission, and thats including a pair of outboard ASRAAMs, and 4 AMRAAM's (Hopefully Meteor soon) for self defense!

And having seen the avionic specs of the later versions, I am very, very impressed. The missile avoidance system, and laser jammer is particulary neat. (The intel guy still wouldn't tell me the RCS after I had plied him with beers. Bastard! )

the main word is "later"

the later versions of the rafale will be great too , even more polyvalent , even more powerfull , even more economic

[Tovarish 0]

Clear enough?

Well, thanks, but that little ending was kind of uncalled for...

Yeah you're right, that was kind of rude and condescending. Sorry.

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Quote[/b] ]When will Lock On hit stores shelves?

Summer 2003.

Soon? Anyone know a more precise period/date?

All anyone's getting from the developers is "summer 2003"

[Supah 0]

I remember being a kid and hearing my dad (ex Royal Netherlands Airforce pilot) tell me about how the EF2000 was obsolete before its first operational flight due to its idiotically long development. It is 1980's technology ....