3rd person and crosshair - enable by default in MP?

[Spartan 163 0]

When you suggest configuring a server in a topic where avoiding that is the whole purpose, what kind of response are you honestly expecting? The effort to make a difficulty option that enables you to play a decent pvp game is many times that of just going on any server at all and leaving difficulty on Regular. Does that help you see the purpose of default settings?

Wow dude someone must have pissed in your corn flakes to make you act like this.

I have been here since OFP days and have seen time and time again someone say it is not possible only to have egg on their face when a creative addon maker proves the wrong. You should know by now that if someone really wants it they can make an addon for everything. You have some cool scripting skills if you put your mind to it I am sure you can come up with a bypass for your little server difficulty problem.

Just a little while back an addon was made to force 1st person on foot and 3rd in vehicle. There is even one to disable crosshairs. Make that mission dependant and now you won't have to worry about a thing as the server can stay in recruit or regular mode but pvp maps with addon will give you what your asking for.

Even if ARMA3 comes like you wish it there will just be someone to make an addon to undo it or modify it.

Edited August 28, 2011 by PROTOTYPE 001

[PuFu 4600]

he is talking about vanilla behaviour, you bring up the addon talk...

It is not really that easy for a PvP server to force and addon, even with all these 3rd party addon downloaders....

Not everything should be handled/fixed by addons, especially when we talk about very simple things that would need to be worked over anyways...

[jw custom 56]

You're twisting words here. Disabling by default eliminates the possibility of starting a game with unfitting difficulty options unless the server owner/admin consciously alters the difficulty for less realism. You'd still be able to configure your server config to do otherwise.

No i'm not. The whole discussion started in a another 3rd person poll thread because someone were annoyed he couldn't find any servers without 3rd person enabled. Going from remove 3rd person to change 3rd person and now to disable them by default.

So people think that because so many servers has it enabled it's because they don't know about the settings or forget them, thats bs.

For all i care sure let 3rd person/crosshair be off by default on all difficulties, it's not gonna change the fact that a lot of people like playing with crosshair and 3rd person view for whatever reasons they have.

To make it clear i prefere 3rd person/crosshair off, but i like the idea of having the choice of how i play the game.

[nuxil 2]

you can work around by setting the regular difficulty as the veteran.

yes.. except that you will get spacebar scanning enabled if you do that. its only off in vet/expert

[PuFu 4600]

yes, true, forgot about it

[Tonci87 163]

I´m somehow amazed that its always the PVP Crowd that starts Threads like this one....

[Herbal Influence 10]

3rd view enables you to view over walls - sometimes (the wall must not be too high, too low etc.) but it's absolutely false to say it's less realistic and No-third-view is more realistic because the 'sense of environment' is so radically reduced by No-third-view that it could also be called 'tunnel-view-mode': You absolutely don't see with this view what you would see in normal life.

I quote myself from a lengthy and still ongoing discussion about this:

While you read this text you focus on your monitor screen.

Nevertheless you realize something moving that is 90 degree aside from your viewing line onto the screen - to the left and to the right.

Try yourself!

That's a viewing angle of about a 180 degrees!

And that's not for nothing. Anything else - kills ! ;-)

And scientists found out that the borders of our "viewing field" are even more contrast-sensitive than the rest of the eyefields, because or for this they do no sense colours but only black and white. A result of the evolution of the eyes for it was always very important to realize a wild animal or any other danger from aside of your position.

In other words:

No-third-view or "egoshootermode" as I like to call it is quite unrealistic in a very basic and an very important sense. It steals important information like as if - and many will remember this argument - you were wearing a gasmask (or diving mask on your face).

To illustrate this: I once was diving in the Red Sea (near Israel, Jordania, Egypt) which is famous for its richness of sharks. While I was inspecting a big nice coral reef under water with my back to the dark blue sea I couldn't see two sharks that were coming up from behind. I didn't even notice them while they were swimming aside of me because a diving mask makes you look through a "tunnel" only, the better the mask the lesser this effect.

After the shark-experience I began to compensate by turning my head nervously and steadily to the right and to the left - you may imagine me as a frightened person ;-)

[-NCF-Wolfgang 10]

No 3rd Person, BUT higher standard FOV.

[PuFu 4600]

While you read this text you focus on your monitor screen.

Nevertheless you realize something moving that is 90 degree aside from your viewing line onto the screen - to the left and to the right.

Try yourself!

That's a viewing angle of about a 180 degrees!

And that's not for nothing. Anything else - kills ! ;-)

In other words:

Well, as you said, ONE monitor is not enough to deal with the peripheral vission. this one of the reason BIS designed those white blobs on the side of the monitor.

Moreover, if we are to be talking about a proper way to mimic the reality, 3 monitor setups (eyefinity or similar) is the way to go. Of course from a pragmatic POV, for most of us, that is out of the question. That doesn't particularly mean 3rd person view is a proper replacement for it.

Indeed, a larger POV might be a better solution afterall, although i hardly like the fisheye view that is associated with say 120+ degrees fov

[.kju 3245]

a) difficulty have hardcoded aspects

b) without server side addon some difficulty settings cannot be changed

c) to give the admin to change a particular difficulty setting on the fly would be useful ofc

[dmarkwick 261]

Well, as you said, ONE monitor is not enough to deal with the peripheral vission. this one of the reason BIS designed those white blobs on the side of the monitor.

Moreover, if we are to be talking about a proper way to mimic the reality, 3 monitor setups (eyefinity or similar) is the way to go. Of course from a pragmatic POV, for most of us, that is out of the question. That doesn't particularly mean 3rd person view is a proper replacement for it.

Indeed, a larger POV might be a better solution afterall, although i hardly like the fisheye view that is associated with say 120+ degrees fov

I wonder if, with RTT, it might be possible to have small low-res images on each side showing that view... prolly be too much though. But a mod might do it.

[Haystack15 10]

Does it really matters as long as it's optional :confused:

Word. :cool:

AAARRGGHHH!!! The discussions given to me is hard to choose from!

[-=seany=- 5]

Another reason I like the default difficulty setting is playing about in the editor/ making missions. It makes much more sense to have the default difficulty as it is now when testing add-ons and making missions. I don't want to have to go changing difficulty every time I do this.

Also this:

a) server owner might not be aware of config matters,

b) admin doesn't realize or care about the difference,

c) admin doesn't remember to switch difficulty and

d) the only difficulty level with 3rd and crosshair off by default also has VON IDs, kill messages and score board disabled."

a) doesnt deserve to be a admin / run a server. basic knowlege should be a must.. solution, stay away

b) same as a

c) problem solved by having a default difficulty set in the config. if its to be included.

d) whats the problem here ? its expert/hardcore. if you dont like thise default settings you can always change it.

then when the game comes out, play on your fav server(s).

And I see this thread is partially descending into the - "third person view is the devil" spiel. Funny, I thought we already had one of those (pointless) topics.

[NoRailgunner 0]

Better ask if BIS could improve their mp browser to show some/all relevant settings with an icon/text or info screen/window. :cool:

[PeterBitt 10]

well, the result of this poll makes me think a little bit better about the arma community!

devs please seriously think about the difficulty settings again, with the hardcore players in mind. thx :)

[jw custom 56]

well, the result of this poll makes me think a little bit better about the arma community!

Well this poll is not about removing features, 3rd person view and crosshair is still the server admins choice.

[ShenArcanyx 10]

My opinion:

Split it up into (defaults)

Recruit:All on

Regular:All on

Veteran A: No 3rd Person Crosshairs, 3rd Person camera allowed, 1st Person Crosshairs allowed

Veteran B: No Crosshairs at all, 3rd Person camera allowed

Veteran C: No 3rd Person at all, 1st Person Crosshairs allowed

Immersive: Neither Allowed

Ironsights Immersive: Neither Allowed, Ironsights Only.

Unarmed Immersive: Neither Allowed, No Guns (ok, that last one was a joke)

[PuFu 4600]

well, the result of this poll makes me think a little bit better about the arma community!

devs please seriously think about the difficulty settings again, with the hardcore players in mind. thx :)

Lol, love the hardcore players term...it always reminds me of porn or DR for that reason...Not that DR is porn, not in a good sense anyways

[pathetic_berserker 4]

Crosshair, not 3rd person on say veteran default. Best suits the the current PvP gamers and many coop types. Unless of course BIS overhaul the server choices and UI for more flexibilty on a mission by mission basis and make this easily adjustable.

[jw custom 56]

My opinion:

Split it up into (defaults)

Recruit:All on

Regular:All on

Veteran A: No 3rd Person Crosshairs, 3rd Person camera allowed, 1st Person Crosshairs allowed

Veteran B: No Crosshairs at all, 3rd Person camera allowed

Veteran C: No 3rd Person at all, 1st Person Crosshairs allowed

Immersive: Neither Allowed

Ironsights Immersive: Neither Allowed, Ironsights Only.

Unarmed Immersive: Neither Allowed, No Guns (ok, that last one was a joke)

This poll is about default settings not about whats allowed or not, thats up to the server admins!

[liquidpinky 11]

Default = Normal, which would then make the default difficulty Regular and that would mean Crosshair and 3rd person.

[Innomadic 10]

Can i just ask why this is an issue when the option to fiddle with all the options has always been there?

[dmarkwick 261]

Can i just ask why this is an issue when the option to fiddle with all the options has always been there?

Well, exactly, but the notion seems to be that server admins for some reason might mistakenly allow 3rd person mode :)

If the option is flipped to disallow 3rd person view by default, but to allow server admins to enable it through deliberate action, that seems to suit a lot of people more.

Me, I'm easy with it as long as there IS the option. I acknowledge the need for no 3rd person in adversarial server setups, although it seems to me that the "serious" servers would have this sorted out anyways.

I suspect that when/if this is sorted ut to everyone's satisfaction, that the "hardcore" players will find some other reason to become sniffy at public servers. Hopefully PR will go some way to gathering in these hardcore players into some sort of subculture where their preferred gameplay is guaranteed.

[jw custom 56]

If the option is flipped to disallow 3rd person view by default, but to allow server admins to enable it through deliberate action, that seems to suit a lot of people more.

Yes because some people find it hard to believe that theres actually people around here who prefere playing with crosshair and or 3rd person view.

It must be a mistake now that they themself prefere not playing with those settings enabled!

[dmarkwick 261]

Yes because some people find it hard to believe that theres actually people around here who prefere playing with crosshair and or 3rd person view.

It must be a mistake now that they themself prefere not playing with those settings enabled!

Well, if those options are deliberately enabled then there's no longer any argument over clueless server admins :) and anyone joining the server must suck it down as their preferred setup.