Do you want upgraded Arma 2 content?

[runforrest 10]

i voted for better idea.

im ok with paying for it in scale of DLC or even full addon price(bugfree and full dedi server compatible of course), BUT i want it on a DVD, NOT as download. no one will ever get my bank details via internet

[galzohar 31]

I think it definitely should be done as a free patch, I don't have OA, but hearing that CO doesn't integrate it's features into ArmA II units makes me feel glad that I bought just ArmA II and not CO. If it was a DLC I would have to pay for, I'd most likely get it, but it won't be too high priority.

You do realize that makes no sense. You're disappointed that A2 content is not upgraded to OA standards (same as me), but then you are glad that you are continuing to play with the upgraded content, while you could have bought OA and used the new content that is up to par. I'm happy that I have OA so that I can use the new OA features, and as long as A2 content is not up to par it's going to remain almost completely unused, at least in any mission I make or recommend to anyone.

Having it as DLC won't help much, as at least I won't consider that as allowing me to use those in missions, simply because I'll again be limiting the amount of people that can enjoy my missions. Just like if I use BAF/PMC in missions, people who don't have them will have to suffer with subpar graphics, while I could just use the standard OA stuff that serve pretty much the same purpose in terms of realism and gameplay. Keep in mind that this is different from making mod-dependent missions, as everyone can download those mods for free, but even there I try to avoid dependencies because I know how much of a hassle it is to "have everyone download that 1 mod that is only used by this mission just to find out the mission isn't to my liking".

One last thing that I have to say is the way it was advertised it definitely seemed like A2 content would have the OA features when they mentioned the option for CO. BIS didn't really lie there, but were definitely misleading.

At the very least they should do their best to help the community fix what they don't have the time to fix themselves.

[Chill xl 10]

Like the poll indicates, when it's free most people ofcourse want it... It still needs time and effort to realise the upgrade and have a2 catch up with OA, meaning less time and effort will be put into new and future stuff. BIS like most other companies have a certain ammount of time and manpower to deploy, its just a matter of choise where you want them to work on.

Personnally i have never understood the great need for specific army models, they all do the same, just look a tiny different. Vehicles and weapons i can understand to some extent, but if one vehicle has flir and the other not, i certainly wouldn't miss it and i'm more then fine with it as is.

I prefer to be able to buy a new expansion pack in the coming year like OA, a substantial step forward adding great and new stuff on a higher level that really expand and change the game rather then have more of almost the same...

Edited January 11, 2011 by Chill xl

[Laqueesha 474]

I voted for free. The idea of paying for bug and glitch fixes is alien to me. Not even the most greedy video game developers *cough*EA Games*cough* force their consumers to pay for patches that fix problems present in the game.

Edited January 11, 2011 by Laqueesha

[sickboy 13]

I voted for free. The idea of paying for bug and glitch fixes is alien to me. Not even the most greedy video game developers *cough*EA Games*cough* force their consumers to pay for patches that fix problems present in the game.

Upgrading A2 content with OA features is hardly bug and glitch fixing..

[avengerzx 10]

If the Harvest Red campaign gets broken then BI Developers will get real frustrated on fixing the campaign due to the updated models.

Hope they listen to the community for the update of A2 content

[cannonouscrash 12]

I voted for yes, as long as it was for free.

However after thinking after clicking, I came up with the thought that if BIS upgraded arma2 units to OA standard, for them to charge for it, id like to see the implentation of more features, features that pyscically change the game.

Such as :-

To be able to shoot from a vehicle, even to fire you're weapon in the vehicle at the vehicle, For a helo pilot to drop off a squad, but engage an enemy running with bayonet through the window of his UH-1

destroyed 'parts' such as doors coming off cars and trucks, glass (buildings)

A fully functional 3d editor would always go down well, so if you're going to upgrade things, Do this!

The ability to move around a moving vehicle, Ship, Herc, Chinook, Merlin all with the ability to be thrown out of said vehicle if the person isnt 'holding on'

It would be great to actually see out of humvee windows, Rather than watching 10 meters of ground go by.

Sorry its jumbled up, I just woke up and typing isnt my strongest point at the best of times...

[PuFu 4600]

This is beeing requested every few weeks, irc, you have made those suggestions before, and you got the same reply

To be able to shoot from a vehicle, even to fire you're weapon in the vehicle at the vehicle, For a helo pilot to drop off a squad, but engage an enemy running with bayonet through the window of his UH-1

destroyed 'parts' such as doors coming off cars and trucks, glass (buildings)

You won't see this happening in this version of RV engine. That is something that will need a lot of changes to the core, so it isn't even worth suggesting

A fully functional 3d editor would always go down well, so if you're going to upgrade things, Do this!

I guess that is fair to ask, since parts of the code are already in...

The ability to move around a moving vehicle, Ship, Herc, Chinook, Merlin all with the ability to be thrown out of said vehicle if the person isnt 'holding on'

Same as shooting from vehicles. You won't see it in this version of RV engine. IF VBS has it, it doesn't mean A2 will..

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ALL points aside, what does this has to do with the current subject?

[Baff1 0]

Personally I'm not very bothered about the features mentioned.

I would be intrested in a "Classic Pack" with all the old islands and armies and campaigns from the previous titles reworked and included. I'd pay for that.

[Nephris1 10]

I paid for a product like ArmA2 and OA.

I expect for free: bug fixing to get the game playable....that has already been done!

Everything above is a present and greatly appreciated, but icant expect it.

I paid for the product and knew before what i get.

Everything above like getting OA feature working in ArmA2 vanilla, is a new DLC, a new product. Developer time has to be invested, that has to be paid.

Example:

I bought a car last year with 120ps.

The brakes for my car model were buggy.

So the company called all cars of that model back to update the brakes.

As working brakes are part of the contract i made when i bought the product.

This year, the car model got an update on its motor to 140 ps.

I dont expect to get this motor update for free, would you?

Edit:

Oh ffs, i steped into the trap...this thread i actually done already and 4 months old, lol.

Edited January 11, 2011 by Nephris1

[galzohar 31]

I agree that "more units that basically do the same" doesn't really add all that much, but then again BAF and PMC are pretty much in the same category (yes, they have campaigns as well, but so does Arma 2, and it would be nice to have OA features working in it). And to be honest, I'd rather play as USMC or Russia than BAF. Also quite a few vehicles and weapons in Arma 2 don't have an OA alternative, so again I find having them working more important than having a few British weapons (some being almost exactly the same as their US counterparts, others having a terrible looking holding animation because BIS didn't bother making bullpup weapons work right), though at least in the weapons department ACE is taking care of things, replacing a lot of the A2 weapons with ACE variants that do have all the features working.

[johncage 30]

i want upgraded optimization for forests. thanks

[Von_Lipwig 10]

I would pay for a patch to drag all A2 content kicking and screaming into the OA world. What would be REALLY nice, though... is to get Desert versions of all or some of the USMC and Russian forces so we are able to use those in the Takistan/Zargabad maps. But I guess that's way too much to ask...?

[Haystack15 10]

BIS just made a mistake by making OA as a standalone expansion FPDR

I can some what agree but also disagree with that,

The plus side of having a stand-alone expansion is....................... Give me a few day to think of a reason. brb

I would pay for a patch to drag all A2 content kicking and screaming into the OA world. What would be REALLY nice, though... is to get Desert versions of all or some of the USMC and Russian forces so we are able to use those in the Takistan/Zargabad maps. But I guess that's way too much to ask...?

I Also wanted a official version of the USMC in the Desert cami's, I was hoping BIS will include that in OA but they didn't, So I went in the corner for a for a little bit to cry.

I still want to see an update to fix the problem with UH-1Y folded blades bug. It still show some geometry problems.

Edited January 13, 2011 by Haystack15

[celery 8]

I voted for free. The idea of paying for bug and glitch fixes is alien to me. Not even the most greedy video game developers *cough*EA Games*cough* force their consumers to pay for patches that fix problems present in the game.

Paradox does.

[Haystack15 10]

If they're gonna bring A2 units to OA standard, then they should also give the USMC Desert Camo for troops and vehicles cause it'll be weird to use woodland camo in a Desert environment for the Corps

The Marines have used Woodland in desert before, Although its rare but it does happen. So far the only item I've seen with woodland camo in the desert was an Abrams tank.

[gossamersolid 155]

Paradox does.

Paradox as in THIS Paradox?

If so, I think you are wrong. The only thing you have to do to get patches is to register your CD Key on their forums to prove you own the game.

They don't put any DRM on their games (as far as I recall), but you won't get any patches unless you can prove you own the game.

Back on topic,

All ArmA 2 content should recieve the OA treatment with desert textures and updated configs as well as the OA content should get Woodland textures (vehicles) to use on Chernarus properly. Should be something for Combined Operations users only.

[CameronMcDonald 146]

I'd gladly pay for it.

[celery 8]

Paradox as in THIS Paradox?

If so, I think you are wrong. The only thing you have to do to get patches is to register your CD Key on their forums to prove you own the game.

They don't put any DRM on their games (as far as I recall), but you won't get any patches unless you can prove you own the game.

They released Hearts of Iron III in an abysmal state and only the expansion pack gets the game in a state how it should have been in the first place.

[gossamersolid 155]

They released Hearts of Iron III in an abysmal state and only the expansion pack gets the game in a state how it should have been in the first place.

That's not a paid patch, that's an expansion pack. All patches for the game were free.

[spooky lynx 73]

As far as I remember, all OFP content was upgraded to Resistance standarts. And we hadn't any problem with vanilla units having different capabilities depending on when they were implemented to the game. So why do we have such problem now? Laziness? Indifference to the community? Something else?

[suma 8]

As far as I remember, all OFP content was upgraded to Resistance standarts. And we hadn't any problem with vanilla units having different capabilities depending on when they were implemented to the game. So why do we have such problem now? Laziness? Indifference to the community? Something else?

Something has changed meanwhile. Content creation (or adaption cost) has raised a lot. The unit models are a lot more complex, even unit configs are a lot more complex. Moreover, OFP:R was an expansion (you could not run it without OFP), while OA is a standalone expansion (you do not need A2 to run it).

And one more thing: as it is still possible there will be some update for A2, we cannot simply upgrade the A2 content, as A2 engine would not work with it, not understanding the new features, we would have to "branch: it first and basically have two distributions of it, one for A2, another for OA. Considering OA does not include A2 content, being standalone expansion, this leads to a distribution matrix close to nightmare.

[metalcraze 290]

But you can include AA2 content into OA/CO patch (not touching the original AA2 one) - like thermal textures f.e.

Basically this content will work only when the rest of AA2 files will be present (e.g. Combined Operations installed) and will only be in OA patches.

Modders already did quite a job upgrading AA2 content which has new features only in OA (see Anzins mod and TGW vehicle fixes f.e. - they add working IR lasers to M16s and thermal scopes to T-90 among other things). So at least implement modder fixes into official patch, make thermal textures and that will be enough for starters (although I think I already saw USMC recon units carrying detachable backpacks in ACE).

[Beagle 684]

This makes the term "expansion" meaningless. better you had market it as "standalone" from the beginning as there is barely a point in mixing the ArmA II and OA units, especially in MP environtment.

It comes down to only two points here what users demand and expected...Add TI to the ArmA II units that have it RL and tone down the brightness of generic heatmaps.

Thats all and mods have done some of it already so it cant be that consuming.

[wormeaten 0]

The point is in this way ArmA2 CO is not existing at all it is just A2+OA but not CO like they proclaim.

I am agree that should be part of OA upgrade so in that case you must have both A2 and OA.

Commercially it is bad decision because A2 lost value very fast and drastically because if you don't have it from before there is no reason to buy it so A2 is today 10€ and no one want to buy it and some people don't want to buy OA because there is not benefit from CO except new maps.

If BIS done it properly in the beginning A2 will keep value and will be at least 50% larger than it is now and selling will not be drooped as it is now. That was not just bad decision in developing it is also bad decision in business policy what is cost them segnificant amount of profit.