FP : DR - News & Discussion

[sparks50 0]

Has anyone every actually put in their real age in an age-gate not just whats quickest to write?

Yes, someone should make an Firefox addon or something that just auto fills these fields, I'm getting tired of them.

[ManDay 0]

Have Codemasters even confirmed MP other than coop? I haven't seen it and/or can't remember it.

Yes, see the new wesbite, it gives info there. I misunderstood the meaning of JiP. I think no JiP in terms of Americas Army is fine and don't know why this would be considered a limitation. It's just different from ArmA.

[4 IN 1 0]

In ARMA its the mission designer who give the go no go for JIP, all depend on how you want the mission to be

[Hans Ludwig 0]

CO-OP MODES

CAMPAIGN

Never fight alone - enlist three fellow Marines and fight through every mission to liberate Skira Island together. Battle from the beginning or unite at any stage of the campaign for extra fire support.

SINGLE MISSION

Re-deploy as a veteran on any previously completed mission. Fill out your squad with up to three brothers-in-arms and relive every combat scenario..

PLAYER Vs PLAYER

ANNIHILATION

Engage in war games with your fellow Marines: Opposing USMC and PLA squads deploy at either end of the designated battlefield, with access to both extensive weaponry and vehicles as well as full command of AI recruits. The winner is declared when one team is annihilated

INFILTRATION

Deploy as a covert Special Forces squad or defend against them. The Special Forces squad must breach the other team's defenses, infiltrate an enemy held location and destroy the objective. The opposing team must not let that happen.

http://www.flashpointgame.com/index.php?page=dropzone-online-us

Has anyone every actually put in their real age in an age-gate not just whats quickest to write?

In theory it is supposed to help quantify the age group that visits the site; in reality it's extremely annoying to the forum user, and lets face it, no one puts the correct information (age). So one has to wonder why do game developers continually add that annoying piece to their site? Remember, most marketing people that work for game development studios don't even have a marketing or public relations degree or experience. They are often times some game developer thrown into or volunteered for the position.

Edited September 2, 2009 by Hans Ludwig

[cjsoques 0]

Where have you got this from? To my knowledge this applies to COOP-Mode not to generic MP. Please validate your source.

You obviously didn't bother to read two pages before where someone clearly posted a summary to a preview with the external link...source validated

I assumed I didn't have to put the whole quite in there and just quoted the snipping assuming that people reading this forum would have at least read the last two pages in this thread...oh well I assumed wrong.

[JdB 151]

In theory it is supposed to help quantify the age group that visits the site; in reality it's extremely annoying to the forum user, and lets face it, no one puts the correct information (age). So one has to wonder why do game developers continually add that annoying piece to their site?

Quite simple really. Legal liability. If some under aged kid gets traumatized for the rest of his life, even if it isn't due to the game or the content of the site/forums, they can't sue for money, since Codemasters can prove that they prevented under age people from accessing the site (like the age rating with the games themselves). They cannot be held legally responsible for a user filling out his age untruthfully either. It might not appear to be useful for the average visitor, but it severely limits CMs legal risks.

[ManDay 0]

You obviously didn't bother to read two pages before where someone clearly posted a summary to a preview with the external link...source validated

I assumed I didn't have to put the whole quite in there and just quoted the snipping assuming that people reading this forum would have at least read the last two pages in this thread...oh well I assumed wrong.

No need to feel offended, mate. I'm following this thread successively and may not always have the latest pages in mind thus clearly.

Yes, it has been confirmed on the official forums, too. But it's again one of these "what ArmA-boy is not aquainted with from ArmA, ArmA-boy hates"-like phenomena (I'm thereby not calling you an "ArmA-boy", just in case...) that you call it pathetic and a "step backwards".

Some people - and yes, this time I'm including you - still appear not to have understood the concept of opinions. You know, those things that everybody seems to have.

You should refrain from calling out "pathetic", "reduce quality", "watered down" or alike all because you personally dislike it, dearest fellow member. Realize that it's matter of taste what one likes or dislikes.

To provide you the most obvious instance, the people who have decided to put that in don't deem it "pathetic" and a "loss of quality" and so do others. You dissent - feel free to do so, but respect other people's opinions for what they are.

I, for my part, am fine with both - no JiP and JiP. Where latters allows for more dynamics on a server as for joins and parts, the former is well suited to prevent a clutter of players and join/parts. It also repels the kind of gamer who quickly joins a session to cause a mess and leave when getting bored - yes, that's what I've experienced over and over again on ArmA's public servers.

I'm not going to argue on the benefits of this decision because I think if you put a little thought into the whole situation, you will see them yourself. I've always been happy with how America's Army did it and although OFP/DR is a different type of game, both is possible, for any game.

Edit: I'm aware of the major disadvantages, too.

Edited September 2, 2009 by ManDay

[max power 21]

I don't know. It doesn't take a genius to imagine a scenario based on the JiP information. To me, not being able to rejoin if you get dropped for some reason seems like it's full of fail.

[cjsoques 0]

No need to feel offended, mate. I'm following this thread successively and may not always have the latest pages in mind thus clearly.

Yes, it has been confirmed on the official forums, too. But it's again one of these "what ArmA-boy is not aquainted with from ArmA, ArmA-boy hates"-like phenomena (I'm thereby not calling you an "ArmA-boy", just in case...) that you call it pathetic and a "step backwards".

Some people - and yes, this time I'm including you - still appear not to have understood the concept of opinions. You know, those things that everybody seems to have.

You should refrain from calling out "pathetic", "reduce quality", "watered down" or alike all because you personally dislike it, dearest fellow member. Realize that it's matter of taste what one likes or dislikes.

To provide you the most obvious instance, the people who have decided to put that in don't deem it "pathetic" and a "loss of quality" and so do others. You dissent - feel free to do so, but respect other people's opinions for what they are.

I, for my part, am fine with both - no JiP and JiP. Where latters allows for more dynamics on a server as for joins and parts, the former is well suited to prevent a clutter of players and join/parts. It also repels the kind of gamer who quickly joins a session to cause a mess and leave when getting bored - yes, that's what I've experienced over and over again on ArmA's public servers.

I'm not going to argue on the benefits of this decision because I think if you put a little thought into the whole situation, you will see them yourself. I've always been happy with how America's Army did it and although OFP/DR is a different type of game, both is possible, for any game.

You obviously didn't look at my post all the way or have see any of my posts as I am clearly not a fanboy of ARMA by any stretch of the imagination...read it again please.

Understandable about opinion, and of course what I stated was my own opinion...I was not enforcing it onto anyone, why do you feel so defensive about my statement about how I feel about JIP, whether it is in the game or not..it was just what the preview stated and my opinion of it? If you like it then great, if not great too! The point of a forum, especially off-topic is to state your opinion so it was obviously my point of view and opinion about that feature...didn't know I had to clearly state that.

But imagine if games modes in ARMA2, Battlefield 2, or even COD did not have JIP ability! It would be horrible when games last around 30minutes-Multiple Hours. I don't know about you, but I have a life and things that force me to get off and on a game during a given evening. I like the ability to join a game that is in progress and quickly get into the fight.

It may work in America's Army where the rounds are relatively short and I can see that, but like I just stated above...for convenience purposes it does not and would not work on a game with such scale as ARMA, BF2, or even COD in some cases due to the length of the rounds...eventually the population would drop so low at the end that you wouldn't have anyone to shoot at. Since OFPDR sounds to be of similar scales as at least BF2 the rounds are going to be just as long or longer...I could be wrong though, again my opinion :)

In my mind, yes it is a step backwards and pathetic as it is probably a technical issue (not a gameplay reason) of why then may/maynot have JIP. Back in the day, when I had more time on my hands, Rainbow Six was not JIP, you would have to join a map that had players getting reading to start and you'd have to way upwards of 15min just to get the rounds going, I couldn't imagine having to do that now and like the convenience of JIP...again that's my opinion on the issue.

Just to be clear this time...

DISCLAIMER: This is my opinion. Any statements above do not reflect the opinions or ideals of any other party, group, company, or individual. These statements are purely speculative and opinion based and do not have any factual information to back them up. These opinionated statements stem from me and only me and should not be taken as fact or referenced for anything of substance.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Quite simple really. Legal liability. If some under aged kid gets traumatized for the rest of his life, even if it isn't due to the game or the content of the site/forums, they can't sue for money, since Codemasters can prove that they prevented under age people from accessing the site (like the age rating with the games themselves). They cannot be held legally responsible for a user filling out his age untruthfully either. It might not appear to be useful for the average visitor, but it severely limits CMs legal risks.

I'm sorry to get off subject, but a simple YES or NO on their front page would work, followed up with a detailed, but brief message under it explaining what the site contains. If that is good enough for the porn industry, surely the gaming industry could use it. However, your statement is partially true about liability, and the other part is for marketing purposes.

I don't know. It doesn't take a genius to imagine a scenario based on the JiP information. To me, not being able to rejoin if you get dropped for some reason seems like it's full of fail.

I feel you brother. The more I read up on their MP, or lack thereof, I get more confused what to expect. I don't see why we should have to wait for a demo when it comes to multiplayer or JiP.

Edited September 2, 2009 by Hans Ludwig

[MehMan 0]

Some people - and yes, this time I'm including you - still appear not to have understood the concept of opinions. You know, those things that everybody seems to have.

Poppycock! There's only one opinion and that's mine, all others that deviate are wrong and must be destroyed.

[ManDay 0]

cjsoques, point taken. But I want to remind you that it's probably not just me who takes statements such as "this is pathetic" and "this is a step backwards/reduces quality" as claiming objectivity. But it's clear now. Well, I too naturally don't want to wait one hour to join a game, lol :D I rather expect to join the next and most filled server which is currently lobbying.

[cjsoques 0]

cjsoques, point taken. But I want to remind you that it's probably not just me who takes statements such as "this is pathetic" and "this is a step backwards/reduces quality" as claiming objectivity. But it's clear now. Well, I too naturally don't want to wait one hour to join a game, lol :D I rather expect to join the next and most filled server which is currently lobbying.

Exactly, so I'm hoping as much as you seem to be that both JIP and non-JIP are implemented in OFPDR so we are all happy and get to choose!

If not, it all depends on how it is implemented in the demo to get a good idea of how JIP works out...like I said not much info from the preview so it's all speculative but it's not something I'm looking forward to.

I'd like to hear some good news about OFPDR..which I really haven't heard lately.

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Poppycock! There's only one opinion and that's mine, all others that deviate are wrong and must be destroyed.

I see!

So what's the going rate these days to pay-off Placebo for deleting "deviate" posts that are contrary to your opinion? :)

[Placebo 29]

So what's the going rate these days to pay-off Placebo for deleting "deviate" posts that are contrary to your opinion? :)

$19.95 per month + sales tax.

[Dwarden 1125]

It's been there since 1.0.

"Tab locking" a target(tested in M1A2 Tusk) enables ballistics calculations for that particular target. Not exactly a proper FCS, but at least a start.

that's not new in betas it wass there for some time :)

[sparks50 0]

It only existed for us once a developer told us about it :p

Dragon rising Storyline:

I find it cute how the map starts by highlighting Washington DC, before its dragged to China. It reminds me of

where every location in the Team America film was relative to America :D

whOuoMB15jM

Edited September 3, 2009 by sparks50

[11aTony 0]

Russia requests assistance - marines, lol.

[JdB 151]

Russia requests assistance - marines, lol.

Yes, the Russians would instantly throw their enormous pride overboard, and ask the US to come to their rescue (like they would need it against a weaker force like the PLA). The chance of that is about as big as the chance that I will be landing on Mars tomorrow morning :D

At least BIS' approach of small (island) nations calling for military aid from the US and RF is based on real life politics.

Edited September 3, 2009 by JdB

[Deadfast 43]

...ask the US to come to their rescue

I somehow doubt the US would rush into starting a conflict with China because of a tiny island...

[echo1 0]

In fact, the US would probably side with the Chinese, just so that they could piss the Russians off...

Anyone else get the impression that they initially were going to include the Russians as a playable side, but then weren't able to for some reason?

[froggyluv 2136]

The U.S aid seems highly improbable.

I wonder if the gameplay can live up to such a whopper of a story. An America + Russia Vs. China conflict would hardly devolve into 4 man squads killing outposts.

[p75 10]

Well, it opens up the military hardware for an expansion pack.

It is btw awfully silent with regards to any serious modding capabilities. Smart marketing trick by not telling about it. Because it would seriously hurt the pc sales/interest. One thing that one can conclude is that they don't have them, yet. Maybe they wait and see if it is feasible to develop them after launch when sales are up and running.

Saw some HD footage and I need to be honest, it is uglier in the graphics department than what BIS has to offer with Arma 2. The animation in OF: DR is also not up to par. FLIR looks decent and so do the smoke effects. The Chinese gear is kinda interesting. The Island itself less....

I was waiting for a demo, but any news on that has slowly died.......

[4 IN 1 0]

well, for the record, i dont think the FLIR is all that impressive if you have seen how one in real life work, but still 100% better then the one we have ARMA2 now without question(which, with luck, might change with OA)

the story is rubbish as always, and god I HATE those stupid music...

Edited September 3, 2009 by 4 IN 1

[Sennacherib 0]

very nice vid, I like how they did it, music match perfectly the words etc etc.

they would need it against a weaker force like the PLA

currently PLA army is better than Russian army. The chinese government has spent a lot of money on their new armaments and they have tons of soldiers, if you see this army at your borders sure you will ask help for a minor objective. + don't forget the Korea war, even the best army in the world can have some problems to defeat a weaker army.

And the last but not least; the island has oil, so it becomes a major objective for the US government. the war in Irak is a good lesson.

the story is not perfect, but in my opinion, this is ok

[Drongo69 117]

Surely if DR supported modding, they would be trumpeting it. I suspect it is a cynical move to push shitty DLC and expansions.