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[stgn 39]

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Here are some compression data for those going into texturing.

      Image size           File/Hardisk size     Memory size

1024 X 512 paa image =    342,000b          342,000b

512 X 256 paa image =       86,000kb            86,000b

256 X 128 paa image =     22,000b             22,000b

Definations of terms:-

b = bytes, blocks of information. In an image, 1b holds the position and colour.

Harddisk size = size of file on your computer harddisk

memory size = size the video card's ram need to spare to display your pic on the computer, be it in a programme or ingame.

I found this in 02 doc.

Well you are right if he cut the 1024x512 in 16 256x128 pices it would use 352,000 bytes but if he now had used 4 512x256 the it would only had been 344,000 bytes only 2 more than a 1024x512 and one with a slower comp would get a better looking gun which was my main concern.

STGN

[stgn 39]

From everything I've read (also a quote from Suma), and from looking at how other games develop their uv mapping and textures, your always going to get an increase in performance if you use fewer textures, even if they are hi res. Also have you tried to create any sort of model from scratch using mulitple separate textures?.

I my self have a rule never to use more than 512x512(normaly 256x256) on gun texures. And I always try to use as much of the texture as posible. But I don't realy see why that is importent.

STGN

[ebud 18]

Now if earle had taken all that into consideration before he started on them, I could see them working that way, but I highly doubt he would want to take all the time to re-cut the images, re-uv map them, then test. Not sure exactly how many weapons are in the pack, but it sounds like a lot of work to appease people with lo end systems. You have to remember that he and suchy made the units and weapons for their own use on their mp server first, then us second. If it works for them, I think that's what matters. I think it's a "take it or leave it" type of situation.

[BlueFlight 0]

Hello BAS-Team,

during last weeks it´s really quiet about you. Is everything alright with the team? I really hope so. Also I haven´t seen people like evis here for a time.

Everything cool and running?

[coporal_punishment 0]

Hello BAS-Team,

during last weeks it´s really quiet about you. Is everything alright with the team? I really hope so. Also I haven´t seen people like evis here for a time.

Everything cool and running?

Um when they don't respond to threads it means they are really busy.

[stgn 39]

Now if earle had taken all that into consideration before he started on them, I could see them working that way, but I highly doubt he would want to take all the time to re-cut the images, re-uv map them, then test. Not sure exactly how many weapons are in the pack, but it sounds like a lot of work to appease people with lo end systems. You have to remember that he and suchy made the units and weapons for their own use on their mp server first, then us second. If it works for them, I think that's what matters. I think it's a "take it or leave it" type of situation.

You are right and I would be surprised if he chose to redo make them and I don't think he should. I just thort BAS should consider it before they chose which guns to use. But i realy think that they or earl should re make the frew thnigs I have seen earl got rong:

The forward bolt assist has to go back a bit, just look at a picture and you will see what I mean.

The RAS has too meany holes again look at pictures

I don't know if BAS are gonna use Ironsight but if they are then they should add the "buckel"(the thing that makes sure the Ironsight is fermly on the flattop) which aint on earls current model.

STGN

[ofpeditor 0]

Now if earle had taken all that into consideration before he started on them, I could see them working that way, but I highly doubt he would want to take all the time to re-cut the images, re-uv map them, then test. Not sure exactly how many weapons are in the pack, but it sounds like a lot of work to appease people with lo end systems. You have to remember that he and suchy made the units and weapons for their own use on their mp server first, then us second. If it works for them, I think that's what matters. I think it's a "take it or leave it" type of situation.

You are right and I would be surprised if he chose to redo make them and I don't think he should. I just thort BAS should consider it before they chose which guns to use. But i realy think that they or earl should re make the frew thnigs I have seen earl got rong:

The forward bolt assist has to go back a bit, just look at a picture and you will see what I mean.

The RAS has too meany holes again look at pictures

I don't know if BAS are gonna use Ironsight but if they are then they should add the "buckel"(the thing that makes sure the Ironsight is fermly on the flattop) which aint on earls current model.

STGN

STGN - no worries mate, when/if things like this arise, they've got old heads like me on board to keep things on track realism-wise. Most of the guys on the team could probably tell you the make and model for every piece of equipment they create for this game. And when they need some assistance, guys like Damocles, Gatordev, DocAFSOC, and myself are there to lend a helping comment.

No need to worry about realism mate, we'll make sure it's spot on.

Ofpeditor

[ofpeditor 0]

It's the only thing that makes working with ofpeditor tolerable

Smartass. I leave town for a little while, and you sneak comments in like this.

But hey, I dance around in a flightsuit for you, don't I? I mean, come on. That doesn't do anything for you? Damn.

OE

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

It's the only thing that makes working with ofpeditor tolerable

Smartass. I leave town for a little while, and you sneak comments in like this.  

But hey, I dance around in a flightsuit for you, don't I? I mean, come on. That doesn't do anything for you? Damn.

OE

*rubs temples*

Think of a happy place....a happy place.

[dm 9]

Go away for the weekend, and you two manage to spamify the thread... typical

@STGN: IF we decided to use Earls weapons, we would NOT change the way they are modeled or mapped. All we would do is add any extra features (such as the SOPMOD addons, like the AN/PEQ-2, or the fore-grip etc) to the current set of models. But, like I said before, when the site is back online, we will make an "offical" announcement as to the future of the Delta/Ranger pack, and their weapons.

@BlueFlight/Cpl. Punishment: We are NOT dead, and we are still working away. Recently free time has become less and less for a lot of our members, with various real world commitments. But we ARE still very much alive. The server move, which has taken much longer than we would have liked, is slowly happening, and we will be back online somewhen soon.

[stgn 39]

Go away for the weekend, and you two manage to spamify the thread... typical

@STGN: IF we decided to use Earls weapons, we would NOT change the way they are modeled or mapped. All we would do is add any extra features (such as the SOPMOD addons, like the AN/PEQ-2, or the fore-grip etc) to the current set of models. But, like I said before, when the site is back online, we will make an "offical" announcement as to the future of the Delta/Ranger pack, and their weapons.

Sory I did not mean to "spamify" this topic but I remember someone wanting constructiv critisisem I am not totaly sure ho it was but I have an idear So I thort why not give BAS some first, even they migt need some once i a ville.

STGN

[ExtracTioN 0]

I love the BAS Weapons if only thing on desert version more sharp textures and it is as good as earls weapons

[dm 9]

Sory I did not mean to "spamify" this topic

Not you mate, TS and OE

[bucket man 2]

In some previous thread I read that you are working on some islamic force. There were lots of people who started guessing wether you are making taliban or iraqi fedayjeen.

Any progress info on those or was it just a rumour?

[miles teg 1]

Personally I just hope that some good, general purpose Middle East soldiers, civilians, and terrorists are made.  

Apart from this I'm still wondering what happened to the ol' Navy SEAL pack that was much anticipated.  It looked nearly complete from the pics.  I hope that gets finished up before anything.  That and the US armor pack (especially the M2A2/A3 Bradleys) are the two big things I'd love to see.

By the way, I also think that the BAS M4's and other weapons are just fine.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[hellfish6 7]

I'd like to see an expanded Tonal-Tango set.

[Gollum1 0]

I would also hope that the SEALs would be finished up before anything else, it was a looooong time ago that we saw those sweet pics of them, looking so good.

[noundo 0]

I'm waiting for the Armor !!!

Supposed to have a Chapparel in it!!  This is something I've wanted so bad that I actually started making one, but I ABSOLUTELY cannot figure out how to do textures  

[reconmercs 0]

I'd like to see an expanded Tonal-Tango set.  

yeah the BAS campaign did kinda leave us hanging on what happens next didn't it

I too would like to see that finished along with the updated L-birds, ranger/delta pack, SEALs and the pavehawk(what happened to that anyway I thought there was like %2 left or something)...anywho..with time they'll all be done hopefully

[ofpeditor 0]

Sory I did not mean to "spamify" this topic but I remember someone wanting constructiv critisisem I am not totaly sure ho it was but I have an idear So I thort why not give BAS some first, even they migt need some once i a ville.

STGN

STGN - why does BAS need constructive criticism for Earl's work? Personally, I think he did a hell of a job representing for the M4 and really gave a "feel" to the weapon. Why you're going on in this thread about it is beyond me. Take it somewhere else.

Eh? Eh? Get ready to VOMIT boys!

Just read, guys. We all have RL to deal with at the same time. TS just moved halfway around the world, and his work on the Pavies was delayed, deal with it. The server woes are soon to be fixed, deal with it. It's not as though we haven't made delays and updates KNOWN, it's just a matter of reading on your behalf.

[ebud 18]

<edit> damn OFPE beat me!

A saying I once heard went something like this... "The last 5% of a project can take 95% of the time." Or something like that.

Well, I'll answer since probably no one else will. Most projects have been close to being done for a loooooong time, but with members taking much needed time off, others with huge RL workloads and obligations, projects being revamped from scratch, projects getting put on hold to complete other projects, teammembers working on their own projects to stay sane, server woes, etc, etc.

With all that in mind, the progress has been very slow but steady as DM has always stated.

As for updated Tonal tangos, etc. Since it would probably be up to me to get that ball rolling I'd have to give a big "not right now." I want to eventually as far as the units go. I'd love to fix all the corners I cut on them, make new ones, maybe ask some of the otehr mods to donate good weapons or vehicles to skin, etc. I'd also love to try and make a beautification update for the whole pack. Nag's idea of a mission a week has long since fell by the wayside as no one else seemed to have time to pitch in. Great concept though. Maybe a Tonal revival with OFP2.

[stgn 39]

STGN - why does BAS need constructive criticism for Earl's work? Personally, I think he did a hell of a job representing for the M4 and really gave a "feel" to the weapon. Why you're going on in this thread about it is beyond me. Take it somewhere else.

Well it was a sugestion to you(BAS) of what you could do(if you where to chose his waepons) whit earls M4 to make it even better than it is now(best M4/M16 on the marked).

What do you mean whit going on about it if somebody was going on about it, it was you.

STGN

[Ironsight 1]

As for updated Tonal tangos, etc. Since it would probably be up to me to get that ball rolling I'd have to give a big "not right now." I want to eventually as far as the units go. I'd love to fix all the corners I cut on them, make new ones, maybe ask some of the otehr mods to donate good weapons or vehicles to skin, etc. I'd also love to try and make a beautification update for the whole pack. Nag's idea of a mission a week has long since fell by the wayside as no one else seemed to have time to pitch in. Great concept though. Maybe a Tonal revival with OFP2.

Why what's wrong with the Tonal Pack don't need ny updates of it (only a end for the campaign would be nice)

Let the people of BAS focus on new projects like the for example the Desert Vehicles Pack

[bucket man 2]

Tonelese rebels need a techical. Not that there is anything wrong with the UAZ that has DShk but it just aint the same as rusty old pickup with home made armour platings and an M2.

[dm 9]

In some previous thread I read that you are working on some islamic force. There were lots of people who started guessing wether you are making taliban or iraqi fedayjeen.

Any progress info on those or was it just a rumour?

people who started guessing

Just a rumour, don't get excited...

Like Ebud said, Tonal MAY get "beautified" when OFP2 comes around... depends...