Ukraine General

[vilas 473]

http://outrageousestates.com/vladimir-putins-1-billion-dollar-palace/

http://www.businessinsider.com/putin-palace-black-sea-2011-2

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/articles/celebrity/how-vladimir-putin-stashed-away-a-secret-70-billion-personal-fortune/

http://www.davidmixner.com/2013/08/czar-vladimir-putins-one-billion-dollar-palace.html

of course also from salary, as Yanuk ? btw. Ukraine on modenisation of some dozens T64 tanks spent $25M while for residence in Moscow neig. Yanuk had from his pocket $52M , nice comparision,

[krycek 349]

Well this is new,no evidence yet but if Estonian foreign affairs minister will bring some proofs it will appear the legality of the current Kiev political power will fly throughout the window.

http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

[comm_yuri 10]

Well this is new,no evidence yet but if Estonian foreign affairs minister will bring some proofs it will appear the legality of the current Kiev political power will fly throughout the window.

http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

ain't new, read some older posts.

[sudayev 27]

In my opinion Yanukowycz is trying to disappear from a public eye and go on a peaceful retirement at his secret dacha somewhere in Russia. For KGB it's not a problem to "disappear" the man and to fabricate his death, so he can appear under new identity unnoticed.

[vilas 473]

Well this is new,no evidence yet but if Estonian foreign affairs minister will bring some proofs it will appear the legality of the current Kiev political power will fly throughout the window.

http://rt.com/news/ashton-maidan-snipers-estonia-946/

exactly , read older posts, it might be Timoshenko lie or intrigue,

also snipers might be payed by one of Oligarchs who wanted to get rid of Yanuk, not from opposition itself , even ex Yanuk adivsor said it to Polish press, Yanuk was not only enemy of "nationalists" or "proEU" but also for rich and souless oligarchs who wanted to get rid of him cause "their" money were also taken by Yanuk, few richest men in Ukraine lost dozen percent of their money during Yanuk governing, so "sniper on Maidan" is not equal "ordered by nationalists" cause probably was ordered by someone rich

cause look - Maidan was present for months !! and noone shot single bullet for months, suddenly someone started shooting, which ignited revolt, Yanuk police was beating people and keeping them away from governmental Kiev distric for weeks or months, noone was shooting them untill last week, suddenly snipers appeared shooting people , for 80% i do not buy it that Yanuk just like that in Europe used snipers instead of riot police and water cannons and usual weapons, there are reports that police snipers were sent to observe , but someone shot to unarmed people to make them angry,it could be oligarchy, like in usual Police investigation - look at money , look at how much Oligarchs lost during Yanuk presidency, some very rich guys lost 30% or 40% of their fortune, ring any bell?

if i was police investigator there, i would look for money path and fortunes way , if see guy who is extemly rich, had 5 bilions dollars and has now 3 bilions, for sure such guy do not love his president, there are few guys in Ukraine (those oligarchs) who had such fortunes, those guys would do anything to be part of EU not Russia, cause in Russia Putin would control them, in EU/USA noone control rich guys , they simply do business , but in Putinsland not, so those guys were capable to do anything to stay as far as possible from Russia

it is not related to nationalism, it is not related to will of Ukrainian nation, it is related to biiiiiiig business of few rich guys, if they prefered Putin, you would have snipers shooting only police and Russian minority, i belive that such hypotesis has many percent possibility

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[sudayev 27]

few richest men in Ukraine lost dozen percent of their money during Yanuk governing

i got you point. Yanoo was like boss of all bosses, and at this point he became troublesome for the rich elite of the Ukraine.

But now, it's impossible to figure out who fired the first shot or who orchestrated the whole thing. Regime said that Maidanovtsy showed up with alleged firearms. While Maidan said that Berkut spilled the first blood. One act of violence raises another act of violence to violence become self-perpetual. Truth is - first victim of gunfire was 20-yr student from Georgia. We he had to die or who shot him - will remain unanswered. What is left - conspiracy theories.

[ProfTournesol 956]

The last independant Crimean TV channel cannot broadcast anymore. The Russian leaden shroud is crashing down on the penninsula.

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"Serbia's Press website also reports that five self-declared members of the nationalist paramilitary Chetnik group arrived in Sevastopol earlier in the week, at the invitation of the Cossacks."

Lol, that's a wonderful team : Chetnik, Cossacks and Putin's Hell's Angels... Poor Crimean people.

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

one advice, wake up and understand the world you live in today, nothing is true and the truth isn't true!

[Tonci87 163]

The last independant Crimean TV channel cannot broadcast anymore. The Russian leaden shroud is crashing down on the penninsula.

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"Serbia's Press website also reports that five self-declared members of the nationalist paramilitary Chetnik group arrived in Sevastopol earlier in the week, at the invitation of the Cossacks."

Lol, that's a wonderful team : Chetnik, Cossacks and Putin's Hell's Angels... Poor Crimean people.

Holy shit, I feel sorry for the crim tartars....

[sudayev 27]

Lol, that's a wonderful team : Chetnik, Cossacks and Putin's Hell's Angels... Poor Crimean people.

National-Bolshvik Party is in Crimea as well

http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/03/7/7017991/

All curated by GRU (also known in Russian media as Batman enthusiasts)

What a LOVELY mix or wonderful people!

[Beagle 684]

Weren't we always at war with Eurasia?

[batto 17]

No, it was Eastasia. You're obviously spreading misinformation to hurt socialism. Ban Beagle plz

[carlostex 38]

I say NATO must develop a fully operational ABM system to protect their members. I don't understand why Russia is so afraid of it, its pretty common to see Russian newscast about new system that can defeat a NATO system.

Russian armed forces are much stronger than they were 20 years ago but my opinion is that as of now Russia could not endure against NATO in a conventional war. Russian armed forces are much stronger than they were 20 years ago So they need the advantage where they excel. And nobody wants a nuclear war.

[vilas 473]

according to press some minutes ago:

Russian truck broken gate of Ukrainian military base and drove into base breaking gate

according to latest new dozens of Russian trucks full of infantry started raid on Sevastopol

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/swiat/ciag-dalszy-konfliktu-o-krym-relacja-na-zywo/y8hjs

I say NATO must develop a fully operational ABM system to protect their members. I don't understand why Russia is so afraid of it,

you must undestand Russian philosophy,

2 Russian proverbs show this filosophy very well, one is "u sylnovo vsegda bessylny vynovat" - for the strong man, the guilt is always of this weaker one (strong is always right, weak is always wrong)

and "koora ne ptyca , Polsha ne zagranyca" - chicken is not bird , Poland is not abroad

Russians believe that having power = being right , not having power = being wrong,

so if they invade someone and kill a lot is okay, when during invasion someone shoot their soldier, it is murder and genocide,

another words, if you will say 2+2=4 and i will say 2+2=5 and i will beat you in face and you will fall, it means that 2+2 is indeed 5

this is similar thinking to thinking of colonial empires in XIX century , it is still presented in Russians,

Russians also still not grown to democracy (in this meaning that government is my servant cause i pay taxes and police is to serve and protect not to beat protesters against gov.)

plus now in Russia there is big patriotic and even natioonalistic movement, but they see only other people nationalism, but do not see their own (Putin builds nationalism cause in such circumstances he can build strong state and strong economy, Putin is utilitarian leader who is effective at all costs including human costs, also Russians always lived in harsh conditions and it made them behave sometimes more agreesive than others, cause others didn't faced tyrrany since ages, Russians in fact never had democratic free state , it was regime always, since Tsar, by USSR , to Putin) so they somehow get used to thinking that leader is always right (Asian thinking) and to violence,

this violence was always present in their state,

also you must know about massmedia role, media are brainwashing in all systems, Russian media are propaganda, so what people can think if they have only such TV?

where from you get info ? from media ?

if all media will say that Martians landed on Earth, what you can think ?

you know what was main difference between 2 big Slavic states in XVII-XVIII century ?

Poland and Russia than were both big countries, we had democracy (for nobles of course), we voted king, their king was beheading them for smallest disobey,

Poland had first quasi-constitution in Europe when other countries were authoritarian kingdoms,

Poland was multiculti (we saved all Jews from europe which were escaping intollerance in other countries in XVIc)

so they not used to "democracy" and "freedom", they used that ruler shouts at them, orders them, and beat them, so they obey ruler and believe that Putin is right and if someone say that Putin lies, than this person must be wrong , cause Putin is always right

they also starved a lot under those regimes, they starved at Tsar, they starved from NKVD, later they starved from Mafia in 90s (when USSR collapsed in Russia life was dangerous as on Hollywood movies) now Putin made order, but Putin keep them in grip again

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Russian recon jet flewn close to Turkey, so Turkey alarmed Airforce

again news that Kosacks attacked Ukrainian army base and soldiers write from mobiles that they sit in barack , baricaded and wait for orders

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[nodunit 397]

I say NATO must develop a fully operational ABM system to protect their members. I don't understand why Russia is so afraid of it, its pretty common to see Russian newscast about new system that can defeat a NATO system.

Russian armed forces are much stronger than they were 20 years ago but my opinion is that as of now Russia could not endure against NATO in a conventional war. Russian armed forces are much stronger than they were 20 years ago So they need the advantage where they excel. And nobody wants a nuclear war.

I think thats more of a propaganda tool held over from the cold war...that also explains a lot of youtube comments.

Why Russia is still so fixated on the idea of 'beating america's weapons'? Over here we pretty much are done giving a damn, you have to go looking for military channels for propaganda and we have to pay for those.

[vilas 473]

last minute news - according to press , Sergey Lavrov said to John Kerry that US sanctions will beat America like boomerang

[mistyronin 1181]

(BBC) Ukraine crisis: Armed men 'seize Crimea military base'

2 Russian proverbs show this filosophy very well, one is "u sylnovo vsegda bessylny vynovat" - for the strong man, the guilt is always of this weaker one (strong is always right, weak is always wrong)

In Finland we know it as "Russian style" ( to be a bully because you are bigger and stronger ).

[Amra 10]

2 Russian proverbs show this filosophy very well, one is "u sylnovo vsegda bessylny vynovat" - for the strong man, the guilt is always of this weaker one (strong is always right, weak is always wrong)

Vilas, I can't stand your mistake no more. "u sylnovo vsegda bessylny vynovat" - is actually a quote from Ivan Krylov (fable "The Wolf and the Lamb").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivan_Krylov

It is not a Russian proverb and it does not say about Russian psychology or whatever.

[scrim 1]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26488652

A splendid analysis of what Putin is up to, and the reason why no one with self respect and knowledge of 20th century history can bear with himself to say that the Russians ever liberated any country during the war, or after it. Just like in East Germany, just like in Hungary, and so many other Eastern countries, the standard Russian response to cries for freedom from Moscow, freedom from the Muscovite puppets, and the freedom to determine the future of their own country, is to send in the tanks. This time is no better, for though they are not yet machine gunning unarmed civilians, this time they are out to annex land, an aggression not seen in Europe since the rule of the Nazis.

[sudayev 27]

hehe, check that out...

http://fakty.interia.pl/raport-zamieszki-na-ukrainie/opinie/news-rosyjska-prowokacja-podczas-otwarcia-paraolimpiady-w-soczi,nId,1354435

Headline says - a small "provocation" during Sochi Paraolympics? team Russia entered with the sound of music by Nautilus Pompilus to a song called "Goodbye America"

lyrics in eng below http://russmus.net/song/1586 song here

But that's nothing...

I was watching Sochi closing ceremony and there was one moment where they played an instrumental version of a very specific song...The band is called Lyube (btw. Putin's favorite band) they represent type of sentimental-patriotic rock. They sing about army, "good old times" and such...

I swear this was IT. Lyube - Ne valay duraka Amerika (don't play fool America) The song has very catchy music.

Roughly what this song is all about. http://goo.gl/NV95FP

If I'll find a closing ceremony somewhere. I'll point you that moment. How do I know? Once I read a very interesting article about the history of this band in our press and inspired what I read I listened to some of their albums (Even have a volume of their best off;). Very nice music and vocal, but you have to be Russian to fully understand they music. (to Polish colleagues - I have a copy of this article, PM me If want to read)

I wonder if use of "ne valay duraka Amerika" was intentional? I don't think this was coincidence, just like "Goodbye America" at paraolympics :D

PS. Personally I think that Russian are really musical folk, many good rock bands in this country who follow their own style. I really enjoyed this song from 9th Company

[vilas 473]

21:38 Russian soldiers attacked Ukrainian base A2355 , no shooting, they wait for first gunshot and do all to make Ukrainians to fire,

21:45 Kosacks and locals throwing flashbangs at Ukrainian airbase hq barrack

why Putin doesn't stop THIS "breaking law and violence" ?

[sudayev 27]

Meanwhile, in Kaliningrad Enclave...

http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusplt.ru%2Fsociety%2Fkaliningrad-ostalsya-bez-kolbasyi-8528.html&sandbox=1

They are running out of meat! Meat products price raised by 30% due to shortages. Import from Poland in blocked due to health regulations. Import from USA is impossible, Import from Ukraine is impossible as well.

Terrible.

[vilas 473]

Meanwhile, in Kaliningrad Enclave...

http://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frusplt.ru%2Fsociety%2Fkaliningrad-ostalsya-bez-kolbasyi-8528.html&sandbox=1

They are running out of meat! Meat products price raised by 30% due to shortages. Import from Poland in blocked due to health regulations. Import from USA is impossible, Import from Ukraine is impossible as well.

Terrible.

our gov. also do all to conflict our business, i am afraid of other situation, that other countries will sell asap, as i say often, in business there is no remorse

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22:03 Rosja wyłącza na Krymie jeden po drugim sygnały ukraińskiego radia i telewizji, zastępując je rosyjskimi. Kanał 1. telewizji zastąpiła rosyjska TNT, kanał "Inter" - moskiewska NTV, na miejsce "1+1" pojawił się moskiewski Pierwszy Kanał.

Russia turns off Ukrainian media, replaces them with Russian media (TV and Radio)

i wonder why Russians do not see it is Russia that is agressive there

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there is no number of base (maybe it is report about one and the same base), but another report say about another military station/unit taken by Russians and Ukrainian troops still afraid to open fire at invaders of proprerty of Ukrainian army

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press says about 2 Ukrainian military bases attacked, so far without single shot

Edited March 7, 2014 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

I´m amazed that the Ukrainians have such self discipline.

[ProfTournesol 956]

I´m amazed that the Ukrainians have such self discipline.

Yes, disciplined, courageous, faithful to their people and probably amazed by how they are treated by their former friends.