mistyronin 1181 Posted March 6, 2014 Russia to make citizenship easier for native Russian speakers Its cool, if you give Russian citizenship easily to a lot of people living in other countries, you can then invade them with the excuse that you are protecting your own citizens... It remembers me to some austrian dictatorship... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas 5 Posted March 6, 2014 Russia to make citizenship easier for native Russian speakersIts cool, if you give Russian citizenship easily to a lot of people living in other countries, you can then invade them with the excuse that you are protecting your own citizens... It remembers me to some austrian dictatorship... Posted 3 days ago: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?173470-Ukraine-General&p=2635625&viewfull=1#post2635625 :p Also, apparently Ukraine will pass a bill that will make dual citizenship illegal. Up to 10yrs’ jail for dual citizenship: Ukrainian bill targets tens of thousands Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Russia to make citizenship easier for native Russian speakersIts cool, if you give Russian citizenship easily to a lot of people living in other countries, you can then invade them with the excuse that you are protecting your own citizens... It remembers me to some austrian dictatorship... heh, my mother was born in USSR (before 1939 it was Poland, she was born after WW2 but untill my family get back from being kept by Soviet, she even was in Sovier primary school) can now she get social assurance from Russia or medical treatment in case if she is ill and Poland doesn't support medical treatment payment ? what money bonuses comes from being Russian citizen ? my family was held after WW2 till 1958 , my family was forced-labours on Syberia too, never get compensation from Russia (only Polish state pays support for those who were commie-victims) by the way, Germany payed compensation to forced labors (slaves) of Nazi system, have Russia ever payed for slavery during Stalin regime ? my mother's family lost there house, barn and some more buildings, noone ever payed any compensation for it , her father was commander of railway station, although now it is Belarus or Lithuania , shit, but Stalin crimes probably never were compensated by Russia, opposite to Hitler crimes Edited March 6, 2014 by vilas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr_centipede 31 Posted March 6, 2014 @vilas, MistyRonin was being sarcastic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) i know, but if we could earn some money from mr. Putin ;) noone gonna return us our houses and 9-10 hectares (25 acres) of land but ... Edited March 6, 2014 by vilas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rydygier 1309 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) http://www.rp.pl/artykul/68342,1092124.html 12 F-16 from Aviano base (Italy) and contingent of 300 US soldiers will arrive at monday to Poland. According to Pentagon additional F-15 will be sent to Lithuania. Officially - training mission. De facto - signal for Russia and strengthening airspace defence. Edited March 6, 2014 by Rydygier Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) http://www.rp.pl/artykul/68342,1092124.html12 F-16 from Aviano base (Italy) and contingent of 300 US soldiers will arrive at monday to Poland. According to Pentagon additional F-15 will be sent to Lithuania. Officially - training mission. De facto - singal for Russia and strengthening airspace defence. Finally something... But how long the heck we will have to wait for solid AA defense and by that I mean missile shield?! Russia can stockpile Iskander missiles without any reaction, but when Poland want solid air defense they say now and cause ruckus. It's the highest time to say FUCK YOU - we will install the shied anyways. It pisses me of that our current government don't have balls to speak out loud and act like a they should. No one should dictate to other countries how they defense should look like, especially a neighbor who is like a manic who ran out of meds. Without the shield they will bomb our AF installations and infrastructure first to get advantage in the air. Here's a hypothetical scenario of russian aggression on modern day Poland. They can have missiles and they say we can't have proper defenses :/ Out aviation gets blown in the air before take off. http://fakty.interia.pl/raport-tajemnice-spiski-alterhistoria/news-jak-dzisiaj-wygladalaby-wojna-polski-z-rosja,nId,844701 Edited March 6, 2014 by Sudayev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 6, 2014 Have in mind that Turkey has already closed the Bosphorus strait before to superpowers. If Turkey would take a step to protect the Tatar minority, they could close the strait to Russia. The former head of the Muslim Tatar minority in Crimea, Mustafa Dzhemilev, has appealed to Turkey, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan to help make sure Crimea remains part of Ukraine. "Do not leave your Crimean brothers and sisters on their own at this difficult time," he said in an interview with Azerbaijani website Haqqin.az. Via BBC Monitoring Also relating to this subject: Crimean Tatar leader: Turkey gave us guarantees Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) one morally-culturally shocking thing: one guy who was on Maidan wrote about one disgusting thing - during mass in church for souls of people who died, Berkut was playing very loudly Soviet anathem , there was mass in church for dead people and they were playing Soviet anathem from huge loudspeakers, what an animals in Russian it is called - besabrazye - hard to translate to English, can be translated to "very demeaning" Edited March 6, 2014 by vilas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amra 10 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Kacap can stockpile Iskander missiles without any reaction... I would like to note this for moderators. "Kacap" is an insulting name for Russian man, means "goatee beard". So it's a direct insult of Russian people. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kacap Edited March 6, 2014 by Amra Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
comm_yuri 10 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) taking back compensation without other form of compensation is not civilized ----- I totaly agree with this and what you wrote above, we all know history is allways written by the victors. No matter how many crimes they commit, what's the social, cultural, political background, why all that happened, if you loose, you will loose badly because the "evidences" and "proof" on the battlefield are left only for the one who in the end remains on the battlefield. Especialy the mentality and consciousness of society is drilled to not accept any criticism or argument from their "enemy", any "enemy". That's what's the case with the Russian society too. Try to prove something in this situation .... you will be the bad guy in any case, can't do much about it, can't argue or convince them. They blindly degrade you .... but, yet it's never that one sided. Politicians of the loosing side are often the ones who sell their souls for power and money and betray their own people and make the nation loose. 3rd parties are allways involved. Call me an asshole or a mad man but you need to wait till the whole world sees who the real agressor really is, even if that means to loose some of your cities and lots of your people before there is any reaction. Only if everyone is convinced and the cold fact can't be hidden, namely that you are being attacked, you should react with force. In any case, any case, avoid putting emotions above reason even if the provocations are insanely insulting. Ukrainian government is smart to have remained calm and passive all this time though I think it's mainly because they really can't do anything and if they do, they'll be destroyed in a matter of hours or days. Russian compensation for annexing such a large territory should not only be economic relief but also no more involvment into Ukrainian politics, accepting them to join EU if the possibility is ever given and should also shut up about Ukraine joining NATO in future. Sorry, but this is just some minimum, because my view stands. You can't simply invade a foreign country and then continue making demands. What age is this ? 11th century ? Edited March 6, 2014 by Comm_Yuri Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 6, 2014 I would like to note this for moderators. "Kacap" is an insulting name for Russian man, means "goatee beard". So it's a direct insult of Russian people. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9A%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B0%D0%BF No it's not. It means butcher in Turkish. Don't tell me butcher is offensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 when Russia say about Ukrainian nationalism (apart from Putin nationalism) in case of Hitler, i would like to note, that Communist party which still praise Stalin (who killed more people that Hitler) has ca 18-20% votes in Russia still, no matter that they criticize Ukrainians for nationalism, while Stalin, who murdered more people still is worshiped by every fifth Russian federation citizen, so when we talk about Hitler , Nazism, how does it rely to fact that for every fifth Russian Stalin is hero, not mass murderer , sadist, psychopath and terrorist Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 6, 2014 Putin nationalism = Putlerism Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) that Communist party which still praise Stalin (who killed more people that Hitler) has ca 18-20% votes in Russia still, no matter that they criticize Ukrainians for nationalism, while Stalin, who murdered more people still is worshiped by every fifth Russian federation citizen, Not only in Russia, in other EU countries I've seen how exalt the Stalinism is accepted; and as you said, he was responsible by way more million deaths than Hitler. But again, that's the importance of winning a war. Putin nationalism = Putlerism Did you know that in southern European countries, the word Putin itself is already used as an insult nowadays ( or son of Putin ). It's because its close to the word puta which means prostitute, and well, for the behavior of the Russian premier. Images that illustrate my point ( taken from the Internet ): http://desmotivaciones.es/824084/Que-hijo-de-putin http://www.memegenerator.es/imagenes/memes/0/1026898.jpg Edited March 6, 2014 by MistyRonin orthography Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Amra you should not be surprised on their anger, because your government didn't allow us to build anti-rocket system on our territory by not allowing USA to put it , we all Slavic nations should cooperate, not throw stones before legs of each other, i do not understand why the hell Slavic nations are so conflicted within, why our rulers are so corrupted and f*up (and tollerated by voters oligarchy which is presented in our countries), such Ukraine should be a lesson to get more brain and cooperate instead of willing to kill each other among people with so many similarities, but i do not hear from media about big movements in Russia like "hey Putin, what the hell are you doing, calm down man, they are Orthodox like us" , i do not see such voices, demostrations etc. why Russians are so passive when Putin breaks peace, Ukrainian nationslists get fuel to their flame from Putin , now all look at Russian leader behaviour, not on Banderas (who were how much percent ? i bet now they grow in power due to Putin actions), why Slavic are so passive and lack of assertivity untill we have war ? west people can stop their leaders before doing stupid things, slavic not , why ? Putin lies - those "not-Russian" troops, there are evidences like military ID, ID on vest etc. why although Putin lie in the eye, i do not see riots against war in Moscow? Edited March 6, 2014 by vilas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amra 10 Posted March 6, 2014 Amra you should not be surprised on their anger, because your government didn't allow us to build anti-rocket system on our territory by not allowing USA to put it , we all Slavic nations should cooperate, not throw stones before legs of each other, i do not understand why the hell Slavic nations are so conflicted within, why our rulers are so corrupted and f*up (and tollerated by voters oligarchy which is presented in our countries), such Ukraine should be a lesson to get more brain and cooperate instead of willing to kill each other among people with so many similarities, but i do not hear from media about big movements in Russia like "hey Putin, what the hell are you doing, calm down man, they are Orthodox like us" , i do not see such voices, demostrations etc.why Russians are so passive when Putin breaks peace, Ukrainian nationslists get fuel to their flame from Putin , now all look at Russian leader behaviour, not on Banderas (who were how much percent ? i bet now they grow in power due to Putin actions), why Slavic are so passive and lack of assertivity untill we have war ? west people can stop their leaders before doing stupid things, slavic not , why ? I'm not surprised. But you guys like to talk about being "civilized". If direct insults is your understanding of being "civilized" I have nothing to discuss with you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 6, 2014 west people can stop their leaders before doing stupid things, slavic not , why ? Can they? I still remember when the US was planning to invade Irak, all the demonstrations with millions of people in the European streets. For example, I remember visiting Barcelona, and every shop had a banner against the war, I saw even stickers in cars. Although it's true that in Russian people seems to be more passive, although they have an autocratic regime, ergo... not much freedom to protest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 Putin lied about non-Russian troops, Putin lied about attacks on Orthodox Churches and Synagogas, Putin lied about illegal new government while 82% of Ukraine parliament supported new government, Putin says that Ukrainian parliament is extremistic while... it is previous Yanukovich era parliament without right-wing nationalists , Putin lied about danger of Russian people and Russian military bases, while noone was touching both but Russian troops illegaly taken and ocupy military bases of other country, Putin lied saying that oposition not signed agreement with Yanuk, while it was Yanuk who refused to sign agreement after protest etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicholas 5 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Can they? I still remember when the US was planning to invade Irak, all the demonstrations with millions of people in the European streets. For example, I remember visiting Barcelona, and every shop had a banner against the war, I saw even stickers in cars. Although it's true that in Russian people seems to be more passive, although they have an autocratic regime, ergo... not much freedom to protest. How many in millions though? There are roughly 312 million US citizens the last time I checked. If only 10 million people disagree with what is being done, that is only roughly 3% of the total population... If people really disagree on a massive scale, yes we can stop our leaders and it has been done many times before. If you ask me, I'd say that the Russian people may be too afraid to do anything. Edited March 6, 2014 by Nicholas Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 Can they? ACTA , Frenchmen farmers , British miners, riots in Berlin, riots in Paris, riots in Athens, even now riots in Brasil/Rio de Janeiro (sorry, south America) against poverty, riots in London, much more riots happen in West than in East, in West people do something to change their way if they are not satisfied , in East people rather moan and cry endlessly (Maidan is exception) in my country we had riots only in Independence day caused by... German Punks (punk-rockers, we call them Punk, do not know if proper in English language ) which came here to beat with Polish nationalists, patriots, reenactment and generally all right-wing , we had small riots, few cars burned in 2011, apart from this almost nothin although everybody moans on economy , the same time with such unemployment London would burn , Paris would burn and Berlin would burn in USA wallstreet protest - i respect those people who protested in wallstreet very much Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 6, 2014 How many in millions though? There are roughly 312 million US citizens the last time I checked. If only 10 million people disagree with what is being done, that is only roughly 3% of the total population... I was talking about Europe, that's why I wrote " European streets ". BTW as far as I remember the US didn't went to war alone... and in some of the countries the opinion was about 90% of the population against the war ( and even that, their country went to war, I remember Spain between them ): Protests against the Iraq War Europe saw the biggest mobilization of protesters, including a rally of three million people in Rome, which is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the largest ever anti-war rally. From the Guinness Book Largest Anti-War RallyOn February 15, 2003, anti-war rallies took place across the globe – the largest occurring in Rome, Italy, where a crowd of 3 million gathered to protest against the USA’s threat to invade Iraq. Police figures report that millions more demonstrated in nearly 600 cities worldwide: on the same day, 1.3 million rallied in Barcelona, Spain, 1 million participated in a peace march through the streets of London, UK, and 500,00 people in Melbourne and Sydney, Australia, joined the biggest marches since the Vietnam War peace protests. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sudayev 27 Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) Amra you should not be surprised on their anger, because your government didn't allow us to build anti-rocket system on our territory Not only this. Nowadays Russian ambassador to Poland forbids dismantling of obelisk dedicated to general Ivan Chernyakhovsky, Russians are making political circus under this commie monument, a true pilgrimage of Russians have started since local authorities said about dismantling the obelisk demeaning to Polish patriots from AK. Chernyakhovsky has blood on his hands, responsible for massive and treacherous operation against AK which led to death and lifetime arrest of many of them. Why they can't take this obelisk to it's native country and praise it there? Yet another instrument of making pressure and manipulation :/ It pisses me of that some ambassador has much more to say than most people in the country :/// http://www.rmf24.pl/fakty/polska/news-pieniezno-usunie-pomnik-sowieckiego-generala-rosjanie-oburze,nId,1101043 @Amra Word you find offensive has been replaced. No hard feelings ;) Edited March 6, 2014 by Sudayev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistyronin 1181 Posted March 6, 2014 Russian ambassador to Poland forbids dismantling of obelisk dedicated to general Ivan Chernyakhovsky Offtopic remark: Having an obelisk dedicated to a Russian WW2 general after Katyn, its a bit ironic... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vilas 477 Posted March 6, 2014 Offtopic remark: Having an obelisk dedicated to a Russian WW2 general after Katyn, its a bit ironic... our gov has no balls, Russian embassy protests and threatens with economic sanctions whenever we want to remove Stalinist momuments in our towns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
