Oculus Rift VR headset

[WalkerDown 1]

Or not even bother as the current 3DOF are all you really need in ARMA

It's a matter of immersion... plus we are here for A3 really (as the forum name suggest). ;)

[xyberviri 1]

Honestly you all need to stop buying that crap Track IR the only reason the company is still around is because people refuse to move on to better technology or at least stop giving money to that company.

i mean look at this:

yes it works however its gimicky you can't really do anything with a track ir unless you have a 40" monitor on your desk.

even then its head tracking not eye tracking so your eyes still stay at the center of the screen.

[dmarkwick 261]

Honestly you all need to stop buying that crap Track IR the only reason the company is still around is because people refuse to move on to better technology or at least stop giving money to that company.

i mean look at this:

yes it works however its gimicky you can't really do anything with a track ir unless you have a 40" monitor on your desk.

even then its head tracking not eye tracking so your eyes still stay at the center of the screen.

Not sure what you mean, you're not very clear.

[EDcase 87]

Honestly you all need to stop buying that crap... bla bla bla

I think someone is jealous :D

Honestly you need to stop talking crap.

We can buy what we want and you can't comment if you haven't even tried it... LAME

There isn't anything better right now anyway

Edited May 9, 2013 by EDcase

[sqb-sma 66]

arma 2 runs on DX9, arma3 is DX10/DX11 I believe, but it is NOT DX9

Ok, working partially in Arma 2. No 3D, headtracking is slightly odd (LOTS of drift in A2, more than in museum of the microstar even). Looking VERY good though, I'd love to see some official support.

Also, my dream would be to get my Hydra working with this, then we could get what feels like a real gun in the game, but that would be hard to do animation wise.

[WalkerDown 1]

Honestly you all need to stop buying that crap Track IR the only reason the company is still around is because people refuse to move on to better technology or at least stop giving money to that company.

i mean look at this:

yes it works however its gimicky you can't really do anything with a track ir unless you have a 40" monitor on your desk.

even then its head tracking not eye tracking so your eyes still stay at the center of the screen.

I use the TIR with a 30" monitor (but I've used it on other 24" as well), and I couldn't play certain games today without it (ie: DCS), it gives a VERY BIG advantage. While on the other side I agree on the fact that is super expensive and the value of the product (technology) doesn't even come near to the retail price .. but that's business.

For who has to spend that price on a TiR I would suggest to use the facetracknoir (free) and save money for something better.... especially if it will be used with Arma.

[gonk 0]

come on bis... Half life 2 has been converted and released for Oculus.... :)...

[kremator 1065]

I'm sure they will in-timeTM.

[Pulverizer 1]

It would be a good publicity stunt to be one of the very few games to actually officially support Oculus Rift, but not much more. You would be at a huge disadvantage at 640x800 resolution compared to proper monitors, and the consumer model is at least a year or two off.

[kremator 1065]

Half-Life2 now offers support for OR !

[ChineseFood 11]

Track IR is first steps to future , Oculus Rift is shitty gimmick for rich people or dumb people. i myself am not rich but i can afford to buy Oculus Rift but i wont because its garbage virtual boy. why i waste my money on expensive monitor so i wont be able to enjoy it . Track IR now is very small and comfortable it mounts on headset and doesnt require your crazy dance moves like Kinect . also Track IR will be better and smaller in future will be integrated in headsets and monitors . and Oculus Rift is bad for your eyes , eyes has muscle if you noticed the closer you sit to monitor for long period of time your eye sight get worse same as reading books. with oculus rift your eyes will be demolished. and about TrackIR i found out only thanks to Arma for me TrackIR > Oculus Rift in every way. also if you get drunk you wont be able to use Oculus Rift

[ratszo 17]

.... also if you get drunk you wont be able to use Oculus Rift

They say that about driving too.

[progamer 14]

Track IR is first steps to future , Oculus Rift is shitty gimmick for rich people or dumb people. i myself am not rich but i can afford to buy Oculus Rift but i wont because its garbage virtual boy. why i waste my money on expensive monitor so i wont be able to enjoy it . Track IR now is very small and comfortable it mounts on headset and doesnt require your crazy dance moves like Kinect . also Track IR will be better and smaller in future will be integrated in headsets and monitors . and Oculus Rift is bad for your eyes , eyes has muscle if you noticed the closer you sit to monitor for long period of time your eye sight get worse same as reading books. with oculus rift your eyes will be demolished. and about TrackIR i found out only thanks to Arma for me TrackIR > Oculus Rift in every way. also if you get drunk you wont be able to use Oculus Rift

We should encourage developers to begin using new technology like this. I bet you people Complained cars were useless gimmicks when they were invented and you could just use a horse. You don't have to use it, you can use track ir while others use the oculus rift. I would love to see good virtual reality in my lifetime. If the oculus rift does well, other companies will try the same which will lead to competition which intern gives the consumer better products.

"No body stops you from riding you horse, they just want to drive there cars as well."

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In the future I see trackir tech and oculus rift tech being used together for full virtual reality.

[Masharra 10]

"No body stops you from riding you horse, they just want to drive there cars as well."

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actually they do. Try going on a highway with a horse.

[hannibal636 11]

Track IR is first steps to future , Oculus Rift is shitty gimmick for rich people or dumb people. i myself am not rich but i can afford to buy Oculus Rift but i wont because its garbage virtual boy. why i waste my money on expensive monitor so i wont be able to enjoy it . Track IR now is very small and comfortable it mounts on headset and doesnt require your crazy dance moves like Kinect . also Track IR will be better and smaller in future will be integrated in headsets and monitors . and Oculus Rift is bad for your eyes , eyes has muscle if you noticed the closer you sit to monitor for long period of time your eye sight get worse same as reading books. with oculus rift your eyes will be demolished. and about TrackIR i found out only thanks to Arma for me TrackIR > Oculus Rift in every way. also if you get drunk you wont be able to use Oculus Rift

do you work for natural point?

have you even tried rift?

i have, and it is amazing..

i own a trackir and it is crap

[sqb-sma 66]

do you work for natural point?

have you even tried rift?

i have, and it is amazing..

i own a trackir and it is crap

It's not crap, TrackIR is leaps and bounds better than non-trackIR gameplay, and it is a better solution (gameplay wise, the Rift will still triumph where immersion is concerned) than the current Oculus dev kit. However if the PPD is increased on future Rifts then trackIR will quickly become old news.

Source: I have both.

[dmarkwick 261]

Track IR is first steps to future , Oculus Rift is shitty gimmick for rich people or dumb people. i myself am not rich but i can afford to buy Oculus Rift but i wont because its garbage virtual boy. why i waste my money on expensive monitor so i wont be able to enjoy it . Track IR now is very small and comfortable it mounts on headset and doesnt require your crazy dance moves like Kinect . also Track IR will be better and smaller in future will be integrated in headsets and monitors . and Oculus Rift is bad for your eyes , eyes has muscle if you noticed the closer you sit to monitor for long period of time your eye sight get worse same as reading books. with oculus rift your eyes will be demolished. and about TrackIR i found out only thanks to Arma for me TrackIR > Oculus Rift in every way. also if you get drunk you wont be able to use Oculus Rift

Any time there are two or more products that do similar things, be it games, equipment, sport whatever, you get this sort of idiotic posturing & disinformation based on nothing more than casual assumption and/or fear/jealousy. This thread is trying to maintain an informative path and yet you've decided to waltz in and stir up bad feeling for no purpose or value whatsoever.

Like you, I haven't yet tried Occulus Rift but even I can see that your post is disinformation. If you already own the product you like then I don't see any value in your imaginary inputs.

[jake_krieger 10]

Guys are you all kidding me ? Why are you discussing Trackir ?

I have Trackir but the Oculus Rift is a whole different deal.

Its a revolution.

You can turn your head or body 360° , up and down and you are immersed with 3D Stereoperspective and a FOV of 90° in the virtual world.

You can sense scale.

You can sense fast motions.

You can sense that someobdy or something is really infront of you , if you walk close enough infront of it.

You are much more immersed and have much stronger emotional and intuitive reactions because of the 3D , Headtracking and the aspect of isolation from the outer world .

You are not in your room at home , you are in the middle of a battle fighting for your life.

It is what the military using VBS2 2.0 , is using. They use their own VR systems but none , even these that costs thousands of dollars, match the advancements of the Oculus Rift.

Now before you discuss anything further please watch these videos and then we can talk more :

The perception of fast motions trick people into believing they really ride a rollercoaster , great reactions ensue

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrK2rbHyY_w

Looking down deep falls , makes the viewer feel the urge to step away , falling into a portal in Portal 2 and flying to the other end of the room makes the person feel like flying

Combined with the Razer Hydra the experience in Half Life 2 becomes immensly immersive and the movements and handling of the weapon become so natural you can even use your hydra controllers to aim down the sights with 1:1 hand movement

Using a Razer Hydra Demo in the Unity Engine , it is possible to use Firearms in an even more natural way and bringing the best way iv´e seen using weapons in a virtual envoirment

Flying in helicopters , drving cars or being in any other envoirment in a cockpit using the Oculus Rift enhances your Experience and even your effectiveness immensly

So Bohemia Interactive if you read this

please try to implement Oculus Rift support for ARMA3 . Headtracking won´t be an issue since you already can use TrackIR.

But you need to create a 3D Stereoscopic mode which geniunly creates two images from the same scene from two slightly different positions.

I would be so grateful if you could even try to attempt to implement Razer Hydra support and make the handling of the weapons similar to the Unity Demo i linked.

[dmarkwick 261]

Guys are you all kidding me ? Why are you discussing Trackir ?

Well, we discuss TrackIR because it's in the discussion... :) plus, TrackIR is implemented right now so it's natural to compare the product when there is not yet any implementation of Oculus Rift. It's natural for people who already have & use TrackIR to find out the comparisons.

The rollercoaster demo looks fun :) wish there was a side-by-side of that.

My own feeling is that serious work for OR might not happen until there is a solid consumer release for it.

Edited May 19, 2013 by DMarkwick

[WalkerDown 1]

TrackIR gives some advantage (more in other games, like flight sims than in ArmA tho...), but it's a overpriced pirce of crap, that didn't changed by 6 years (or more). We need to support the new technology and not something that doesn't evolves by years.

I own all the TrackIR versions from the launch, because there were no alternatives (until the facetrackNoir), but i'm perfectly aware of its limits, it's time to forget this expensive thing an concentrate on something that is capable of giving immersion rather than only a tactic advantage.

Another reason of why we're asking to implement the OR native support is that it requires a couple of weeks of coder for a basic implementation (you should look at the SDK and at the simplicity of adding stereoscopic rendering and barrel distortion to the current layer; the fine tuning can be done with calm), so there's really no excuses to not do so, nor even: "we prefer to invest our time in something else...", because the time required is trivial.

[Simas 12]

NaturalPoint did something really great more than 10 years ago.. They gave a real headtracking solution for gamers. And then they locked the market and did some shady business (not to mention they didn't really improve their product, it's still infrared tech in the age of tiny precise/cheap accelerometers and gyroscopes... seriously, WTF).

Just read this and let me know if you are still interested in buying the next TrackIR.

I personally can't wait Oculus Rift consumer version to come out.

[progamer 14]

Adding oculus rift support will finally force Natural point to have to upgrade there product and stay competitive rather than trying to avoid competition through shady practices.

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Though I expect Natural Point to try and do everything in their power to to prevent Arma 3 from ever having oculus rift support, I just hope that the devs can see past what ever Natural Point offers them or claims they'll do.

[Wolfstriked 11]

Since its 1:1 movement ratio in a flight sim while dog fighting you may have some users throwing out there necks.;)Read a hands on report by the prodiucer of Rise Of Flight who gave it mixed reviews for this reason stating that it may cause many people to steer clear.For Arma3 IMO it will be awesome!

[Covert_Death 11]

, eyes has muscle if you noticed the closer you sit to monitor for long period of time your eye sight get worse same as reading books. with oculus rift your eyes will be demolished.

seriously? you again prove you know nothing about the human body! earlier you said it will give you cancer, that was dumb enough, but now you claim reading books is bad for your eyes??? the worst that will happen from reading a book is temporary eye strain if lighting conditions are bad, NO PERMANENT damage has ever been associated to reading a book. stop coming up with random thoughts and posting them as facts, you just look childish.

actually they do. Try going on a highway with a horse.

highways were no built for horses..... try driving your car on horse trails or horse parks... you COULD but people would be just as irritated with you as they would if you ride a hoarse on a highway... this is just stupid

OR is a great design and there is no point in you fighting its support, it doesn't hurt you in any way, if you don't have one its not like your monitor is going to start forcing you look at your monitor in OR mode with 2 separate stereo views... if you don't want it don't buy it and don't use it. for others, maybe we want 3d gameplay in a VR setup where we control our characters heads more realistically...

also, ChineseFood, if your so concerned about our health, since that seems to be most of what you try to prove the OR will do, try actually researching what could harm the human body... saying things like "Cancer" and "reading books will destroy your eyes" just has you making a fool of yourself.

[andersson 285]

Since its 1:1 movement ratio in a flight sim while dog fighting you may have some users throwing out there necks.;)Read a hands on report by the prodiucer of Rise Of Flight who gave it mixed reviews for this reason stating that it may cause many people to steer clear.For Arma3 IMO it will be awesome!

From simast link: "The founder and President of 777 Studios, known for developing WWI flight simulator Rise of Flight, happens to be a former NaturalPoint TrackIR Product Manager and is adamant to never support any means of head tracking besides TrackIR without NaturalPoint approval."

http://naturalpointofview.blogspot.se/p/naturalpoint-statements.html#Former_NaturalPoint_employee_makes_TrackIR_exclusive_game