Crielaard 435 Posted April 14, 2014 I worked with VR goggles/helmets in a JTAC simulator. From experience I can say its not very inconvienient to just use your hand to raise the set from your eyes to glance at your scratchboard/map/keyboard/etc. This is definately going to be a big one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kittentakara 10 Posted April 17, 2014 Well i have been playing ARMA II with my Oculus rift for last 4 weeks now. I love flying choppers and with X52 is awesome. Ok here is something info for the nay sayers. Firstly, you do not have check your keyboard nonstop! you find you fingers go right place if you trust them. ocasionally you get lost but not had to find again. Secondly this game is made of this, Having separate head and gun/body movement is perfect and works really well. I think if developers enable support for Oculus rift it will be amazing game. Right now i am using TriDef and its ok, though the frame lag from program does cause motion sickness, but flying choppers in this game is so much fun, and i can do things I just could never do on flat screen. Amazing game for this! ---------- Post added at 22:46 ---------- Previous post was at 22:44 ---------- When the tech is ready I'll check it out for sure, but it's sheer folly to believe everyone is going to want to strap a TV to their faces. Not to mention transitioning between sitting and standing in any game with combined arms (unless your gun controller has steering/rudder/HOTAS controls). Don't talk nonsense, VR is going be huge! and there are ways round the loosing keyboard...also There are guns with Sterring/rudder/HOTAS controls on kickstarter! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumpinghubert 49 Posted April 18, 2014 Well i have been playing ARMA II with my Oculus rift for last 4 weeks now. I love flying choppers and with X52 is awesome.Ok here is something info for the nay sayers. Firstly, you do not have check your keyboard nonstop! you find you fingers go right place if you trust them. ocasionally you get lost but not had to find again. Secondly this game is made of this, Having separate head and gun/body movement is perfect and works really well. I think if developers enable support for Oculus rift it will be amazing game. Right now i am using TriDef and its ok, though the frame lag from program does cause motion sickness, but flying choppers in this game is so much fun, and i can do things I just could never do on flat screen. Amazing game for this! ---------- Post added at 22:46 ---------- Previous post was at 22:44 ---------- Don't talk nonsense, VR is going be huge! and there are ways round the loosing keyboard...also There are guns with Sterring/rudder/HOTAS controls on kickstarter! many thanks, your feedback is very welcome! :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyCat 131 Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Anyone here pre-ordered Development Kit 2? Also, have anyone catched any info/hints from BIS about native support for Oculus Rift? Native support would be a perfect fit for the helicopter DLC, hint, hint! /KC Edited May 13, 2014 by KeyCat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekrul 7 Posted May 13, 2014 Problem with Oculus support is the need for a constant and reliable frame rate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roshnak 41 Posted May 14, 2014 That's definitely the biggest problem, but a close second is probably the current display limitations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nomisum 129 Posted May 14, 2014 I preordered DK2 and I am as excited to feel it as I am worried about fps. Sent from mobile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyCat 131 Posted May 14, 2014 (edited) Looking forward to your first impression nomisum and yes poor frame rate can probably be an issue. Regarding hints from BIS I bumped into this when digging around so eventually we will see native support in A3 as well or at least thats what I'm hoping for... VR is the next logical step and I'm pretty sure OR and/or other VR hardware are here to stay this time thanks to advancement of small LCD/OLED screens. I tried VR briefly in the early 90's and adding depth to the equation is like getting one more sense! Q: Will DayZ be Oculus Rift or TrackIR supported?’ A: Well I met the Oculus Rift guys at Pax West and tried it out and it was freaking awesome. They were big fans of DayZ and ArmA so we want to do everything we can to ensure that happens. However, ArmA and DayZ suffer from a very complex entity so achieving a locked frame rate at 60 FPS is very difficult because you can’t guarantee what is going to happen and you need that constant 60 FPS to make the Oculus Rift work. So the challenge isn’t to technically support it (because we already do support TrackIR), the challenge is optimizing the game. You don’t want to optimize too early so we need to do all the innovation and then we do a lot of optimization so we will see how it goes, but we love it and having played with the Oculus Rift myself I can hands down say that it will make DayZ a thousand times better and that’s not an exaggeration. I don’t know how many people have tried the Oculus Rift but if you get the chance to then do it but like I say we are going to have to do a lot of optimization. Source: http://oculusrift-blog.com/dayz-to-be-rift-compatible/650/ /KC Edited May 14, 2014 by KeyCat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necrodancer 10 Posted May 14, 2014 Anyone here pre-ordered Development Kit 2? Also, have anyone catched any info/hints from BIS about native support for Oculus Rift? Native support would be a perfect fit for the helicopter DLC, hint, hint!/KC Preordered back in march so it should arrive sometime in july. But yeah it's probably gonna be a pukefest with Arma 3's fps. However I wonder if the low persistence in DK2 will work a bit like Nvidia's or AMD's G-sync/Freesync negating the inconsistent fps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
l mandrake 9 Posted May 14, 2014 Ordered DK2 one month ago, so July/August ship date. I really hope BIS adds support by then. I'm planning to turn graphics down as far as I have to to get a solid 75fps, which with an r290x @1080p should be achievable. Apparently the new Oculus SDK with timewarping works quite well to help smooth out frame rates.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyCat 131 Posted May 14, 2014 I'm really tempted to pre-order but left hand brain tells me to wait and see if A3 gets native support or not. Anyway, I read people being concerned to not see hands on keyboard in heavy simulators but I'm sure there will be some solution to this. One thing I read about DK2 is that it has a USB host port so teoreticly a low res B/W USB camera for ~5-10 USD positioned to look down on your hands and then some way to press a button to overlay that image ingame could maybe work but I guess time will tell... /KC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
driftsport 10 Posted May 17, 2014 I signed up to this forum just to express that I'd like this to be supported. I preordered DK2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roshnak 41 Posted May 18, 2014 I'm really tempted to pre-order but left hand brain tells me to wait and see if A3 gets native support or not. Anyway, I read people being concerned to not see hands on keyboard in heavy simulators but I'm sure there will be some solution to this.One thing I read about DK2 is that it has a USB host port so teoreticly a low res B/W USB camera for ~5-10 USD positioned to look down on your hands and then some way to press a button to overlay that image ingame could maybe work but I guess time will tell... /KC Do you really look down at your hands that often when playing games, though? Navigating the command menu can be rough, sometimes, but I can usually feel may way to where I need to be. Also, for all you people who are preordering the dev kits, are you planning on buying the commercial release, too? As much as I'd love to try out the Rift now, I can't help but feel like it would be better to wait for the commercial version so I don't get stuck with a $300 piece of obsolete hardware laying around that I'll never use again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nomisum 129 Posted May 18, 2014 depends on the stats of the consumer version. 1280 screen probably not, 2560 screen or more (4k?) yes. current speculation says consumer is scheduled for 2015, so at least half a year of testing and then it goes to one of my brothers, poor friends or to ebay. definitely not laying around :D Sent from mobile Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonygrunt 10 Posted May 18, 2014 (edited) Do you really look down at your hands that often when playing games, though? Navigating the command menu can be rough, sometimes, but I can usually feel may way to where I need to be.Also, for all you people who are preordering the dev kits, are you planning on buying the commercial release, too? As much as I'd love to try out the Rift now, I can't help but feel like it would be better to wait for the commercial version so I don't get stuck with a $300 piece of obsolete hardware laying around that I'll never use again. Dev kits won't become obsolete just because the commercial device is out, they will still be supported and usable, no software developer will avoid selling to tens of thousands of dev kit owners and support only the latest model. And eventually you have to make the decision to buy something (see how newer graphics cards are announced every 6 months), it's very possible by the time the commercial device is out another company might have announced a better specs device or Oculus might soon after announce their development plans for a wireless Rift. Are you going to wait for it too? Edited May 18, 2014 by TonyGrunt Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Necrodancer 10 Posted May 18, 2014 Also, for all you people who are preordering the dev kits, are you planning on buying the commercial release, too? Of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crielaard 435 Posted May 18, 2014 Tried it...im hooked. Will wait for the consumer version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kremator 1065 Posted May 18, 2014 Have already informed my good lady that I will be purchasing one the moment the consumer version is released. The REAL reason for wanting it ? Arma3 of course (or will that be Arma4 at the stage?) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyCat 131 Posted May 19, 2014 Do you really look down at your hands that often when playing games, though? Navigating the command menu can be rough, sometimes, but I can usually feel may way to where I need to be. I hear you and I quite seldom look for keys when playing ArmA so I'm not to worried. However it could be an issue in keyheavy sims like DCS etc. /KC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roshnak 41 Posted May 19, 2014 Dev kits won't become obsolete just because the commercial device is out, they will still be supported and usable, no software developer will avoid selling to tens of thousands of dev kit owners and support only the latest model. And eventually you have to make the decision to buy something (see how newer graphics cards are announced every 6 months), it's very possible by the time the commercial device is out another company might have announced a better specs device or Oculus might soon after announce their development plans for a wireless Rift. Are you going to wait for it too? This point is kind of undermined by the fact that Oculus themselves are saying, "Don't buy this one! It's not ready yet, the next one will be way better!" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
John Kozak 14 Posted May 19, 2014 This point is kind of undermined by the fact that Oculus themselves are saying, "Don't buy this one! It's not ready yet, the next one will be way better!" That's right, they even have a huge mandatory check box when trying to preorder DK - "I understand this hardware is intended for developers and it is not a consumer product" ( https://www.oculusvr.com/order/) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonygrunt 10 Posted May 19, 2014 This point is kind of undermined by the fact that Oculus themselves are saying, "Don't buy this one! It's not ready yet, the next one will be way better!" That's right, they even have a huge mandatory check box when trying to preorder DK - "I understand this hardware is intended for developers and it is not a consumer product"( https://www.oculusvr.com/order/) I interpret their statement of don't buy it because it's a developer version as the fact that they don't want to offer any support for it as it is not ready for the common consumer, being hardware or software. 9.2 THE PRODUCT IS PROVIDED WITHOUT ANY WARRANTIES OR SUPPORT OF ANY KIND, WHETHER ORAL OR WRITTEN, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE OR NON-INFRINGEMENT, AND NO OTHER REPRESENTATIONS OR CLAIMS OF ANY KIND SHALL BE BINDING ON OR OBLIGATE US. THE PRODUCT IS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED TO YOU “AS IS.†WE DO NOT AND WILL NOT provide ANY technical or customer support for the Product WHATSOEVER. IF ANY TECHNICAL SUPPORT OR ASSISTANCE IS PROVIDED WITH RESPECT TO THE PRODUCT AND THE USE THEREOF, IT IS PROVIDED “AS ISâ€, WITHOUT WARRANTIES, REPRESENTATIONS OR CONDITIONS OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED. WE DO NOT WARRANT THAT THE USE OR OPERATION OF THE PRODUCT WILL BE UNINTERRUPTED OR ERROR FREE. YOU BEAR ALL RISKS RELATING TO THE USE OF THE PRODUCT AND THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PRODUCT AND ASSUME THE ENTIRE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION EXCEPT AS EXPRESSLY SET FORTH AS PART OF THE EXCHANGE POLICY. THESE TERMS STATE YOUR SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDIES. If you need tech support or experience any problems, by their TOS it's your problem, maybe the check box is a way to legally circumvent the need to offer support and to keep less tech savvy people from buying one and failing to make it work. The only developers remark can also be used against early negative reviews as the product is not final and consumer ready. If they really wanted to limit rift going only to developers and select people there are better ways than a check box, other companies have managed it. And next version of anything is almost always going to be way better! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyCat 131 Posted May 20, 2014 According to spec OR DK2 has a total resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels and that gives 960 x 1080 per eye. Anyone knows what resolution the GPU have to cope with? I mean does it have to calculate two separate 960 x 1080 frames or just one? /KC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quickvenge 10 Posted May 20, 2014 According to spec OR DK2 has a total resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels and that gives 960 x 1080 per eye. Anyone knows what resolution the GPU have to cope with? I mean does it have to calculate two separate 960 x 1080 frames or just one?/KC It has to calculate two views. One for each eye. So it's simply not a screen resolution thing. It renders one view for each eye so requires more horespower than simple resolution increase. Stupid question for those that have tried it. How do the gunsights work, particularly scopes? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeyCat 131 Posted May 20, 2014 Thanks for clarifying quickvenge! Also curious about the gunsights but assume it will work better with DK2 than with DK1 since you can lean into them just like with a TIR. /KC Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
