Oculus Rift VR headset

[WalkerDown 1]

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both eyes get nearly the same image I think. what you mean by physically separated?

interpolation could be a method, but it would be more clever and easy to use polarized light to separate two pictures in one. you only need some pvc glass to see them both then..

Normally (on monitors.. at cinema.. etc.) you use polarization, or any other technology to merge two images together (they will be separated by the viewer then), while Oculus Rift uses two separate images (stereoscopic), side by side, so while the first can be turned off, with the Oculus Rift you can't, you can only nullify the 3D effect, overlapping the two images (making em identically) but the result is not exactly like viewing a 2D image in real life (a monitor, a screen.. whatever), because they still two images, each per eye.

For the same reason (to expand the concept) these 3D goggle cannot give you a complete 3D feel because of two reason: the parallax is constant and your pupils are always focused to the screens in the same position (in real life your eyes moves constantly, the do micromovements to stabilize the view, they also focuses the objects at different distances).. but i guess this is what we can have with the current technology, and i'm more than satisfied with it (hopefully.. my OR didn't come yet!).

[machineabuse 11]

Thinking about what you can simulate with bifocul vision with the Rift in ArmA is a hell of a kicker.

Night vision monocular over one eye, looking down a scopes, switching sights from one eye to the other with the new shoulder transition...

GPU asplode of course but the stuff that this makes possible is undeniably madtastic.

[WalkerDown 1]

It's cool but it won't give the same effect, at the day at least, again because of he distance. Normally when you aim with a optics you left the other eye open to be aware of the surrounding (this is true in the army; forget about the movies where you see ppl aiming with one eye closed!), this works in real life because your brain can concentrate on the aiming eye while the other is just survelling (movement perception), but with a monitor at the same distance i suspect it would be too distracting and you wouldn't be able to aim properly if not closing the eye. It could work at the night tho!

[machineabuse 11]

You're telling me stuff I already know. :)

Also, you can't concentrate on two different levels of magnification at once. Your brain just can't make sense of it. You can focus on one or the other but not both. Your brain however CAN superposition two images (Binden aiming concept), just not focus on them.

The point is regardless of whether the effect is the same or not the potential to simulate more is there.

[WalkerDown 1]

You're telling me stuff I already know. :)

Also, you can't concentrate on two different levels of magnification at once. Your brain just can't make sense of it. You can focus on one or the other but not both. Your brain however CAN superposition two images (Binden aiming concept), just not focus on them.

The point is regardless of whether the effect is the same or not the potential to simulate more is there.

You have a predominant eye (depending of your brain), this is how you can aim with that eye while the other is aware, you don't need to have it "in focus", you only need to know what's happening around you, while the main eye is on the target.. this is possible with your eyes, with a 2D image in front of your eye at a fixed distance (2 centimeters?) is a whole different story.

However... the brain get "used of.." .. the point is that if have a certain experience (years), you can't tell your brain to operate differently in a matter of minutes, so this could works after (several) years, not right out of the box. Yes it's attractive, and let you dream on what we will exprience in the future.. but it's not that the Oculus Rift is going to change the physics of the universe, it's just a step in the right direction! :)

[machineabuse 11]

However... the brain get "used of.." .. the point is that if have a certain experience (years), you can't tell your brain to operate differently in a matter of minutes, so this could works after (several) years, not right out of the box. Yes it's attractive, and let you dream on what we will exprience in the future.. but it's not that the Oculus Rift is going to change the physics of the universe, it's just a step in the right direction! :)

Making stuff up is not a good social habit friend. Just saying.

Also, don't mess with extraocular muscles. There are medical conditions for nonstandard binocular vision and none of them are "attractive".

[DevonOO7 10]

I'm looking into getting the Oculus Rift, but I don't think it will work that well with ARMA, I watched a video of someone playing TF2 and they talked about it being difficult to remember where the keys are. In ARMA every key is important so playing the game with Oculus Rift would take some getting used to.

[liquidpinky 11]

I'm looking into getting the Oculus Rift, but I don't think it will work that well with ARMA, I watched a video of someone playing TF2 and they talked about it being difficult to remember where the keys are. In ARMA every key is important so playing the game with Oculus Rift would take some getting used to.

Still be okay for me, ditched keyboard in favour of controller in left hand and mouse with a load of buttons in other. I get full analogue movement speeds and only ever need keys for chat message or issuing orders to units.

The second I can get rid of with vioce recognition software, possibly the chat too.

My only concern with the Rift is long term comfort.

[Cookieeater 10]

You'd probably become a very good marathon runner if you had this in ArmA III.

[sqb-sma 66]

Still be okay for me, ditched keyboard in favour of controller in left hand and mouse with a load of buttons in other. I get full analogue movement speeds and only ever need keys for chat message or issuing orders to units.

The second I can get rid of with vioce recognition software, possibly the chat too.

My only concern with the Rift is long term comfort.

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but do you already have the Rift devkit?

[liquidpinky 11]

Sorry if I'm misunderstanding, but do you already have the Rift devkit?

Nope, considered it but decided to wait out till the better resolution release version.

[KeyCat 131]

You'd probably become a very good marathon runner if you had this in ArmA III.

Yes, this is where it's heading and I think it's a good thing since now all computer nerds will also become atletes ;)

Would love to see support of Omni and Rift in ArmA III all thats needed to fix is the stance thing but a few simple IR sensors on the Omni's frame copuld solve that!

/KC

[gonk 0]

well, I just got my Oculus Rift headset....no I am not a developer... I just love gadgets.. It is a very nice piece of kit and there are already rumours of a Rev 2 of the headset prior to the commercial version. I will keep an eye out for that too...

Would be nice to test on Arma3, maybe for the REV2 if the resolution is higher. From a long-time Trackir user I find the tracking is superb. Very weird though looking at yourself in VR.

It will take a little to get used to due to motion sickness but I feel this is a step in the right direction.

I also have a Sony HMZT-1 and the Oculus is a lot more comfortable. I tried the HMZT-1 with Trackir in Arma2...I never could get used to the comfort.

Let see what the future brings...

p.s... I have got arma2 roughed in.... still needs a few tweaks.... but it is bloody fantastic.

I used Facetracknoir and Vireio Perception to get it to work.. only directx 9 capable at the moment...

Edited May 4, 2013 by gonk

[xendance 3]

well, I just got my Oculus Rift headset....no I am not a developer... I just love gadgets.. It is a very nice piece of kit and there are already rumours of a Rev 2 of the headset prior to the commercial version. I will keep an eye out for that too...

Would be nice to test on Arma3, maybe for the REV2 if the resolution is higher. From a long-time Trackir user I find the tracking is superb. Very weird though looking at yourself in VR.

It will take a little to get used to due to motion sickness but I feel this is a step in the right direction.

I also have a Sony HMZT-1 and the Oculus is a lot more comfortable. I tried the HMZT-1 with Trackir in Arma2...I never could get used to the comfort.

Let see what the future brings...

p.s... I have got arma2 roughed in.... still needs a few tweaks.... but it is bloody fantastic.

I used Facetracknoir and Vireio Perception to get it to work.. only directx 9 capable at the moment...

What's the display panel quality like? Are the colours good? Any ghosting or anything like that?

[kremator 1065]

Excellent gonk ... you can now be our guinea pig !!!!

Keep telling BIS how wonderful they are !!!!

Of course uploading a video with it working wouldn't prolly show much. Just be good to see how jealous we become !

[gonk 0]

Flying the chopper, I have hotas... so I don't need no keyboard.. :)...

Two main items need improving and it will be a must have peripheral. 1. The resolution is 640 x 800 per eye... tad too low for today's games... and the fly screen effect due to the eye distance to the screen. Version 2 should improve both of these.

[ChineseFood 11]

Oculus Rift is bullshit, sorry for my language , but it is. let me tell you pros and cons.

Pros : looks cool , different expierence.

Cons : gimmicky, very very bad for eyes, after long time eyes being 1 inch away from screen you can get eye cancer go blind or just ultra bad eye sight. head gets tired after a while. and most important reaction time is slower than using mouse. so if you go 1v1 in deathmatch you will always lose to players who use mouse. and again i repeat its bullshit gimmick virtual boy.

[xendance 3]

Oculus Rift is bullshit, sorry for my language , but it is. let me tell you pros and cons.

Pros : looks cool , different expierence.

Cons : gimmicky, very very bad for eyes, after long time eyes being 1 inch away from screen you can get eye cancer go blind or just ultra bad eye sight. head gets tired after a while. and most important reaction time is slower than using mouse. so if you go 1v1 in deathmatch you will always lose to players who use mouse. and again i repeat its bullshit gimmick virtual boy.

And the sasquatch is real.

[chrisb 196]

If its not too rude, how much did it cost ?

:)

[Droikka 1]

Oculus Rift is bullshit, sorry for my language , but it is. let me tell you pros and cons.

Pros : looks cool , different expierence.

Cons : gimmicky, very very bad for eyes, after long time eyes being 1 inch away from screen you can get eye cancer go blind or just ultra bad eye sight. head gets tired after a while. and most important reaction time is slower than using mouse. so if you go 1v1 in deathmatch you will always lose to players who use mouse. and again i repeat its bullshit gimmick virtual boy.

You don't know ANYTHING about this product, please stop trolling these forums.

Are you too poor to purchase it or why are you slandering against it?

[WalkerDown 1]

Oculus Rift is bullshit, sorry for my language , but it is. let me tell you pros and cons.

I've heard that Chinese food is even worse!

(bad tastes good tho..)

[kremator 1065]

you can get eye cancer

and seemingly you can become ignorant by joining on May3rd !!! Go away troll.

Unless you have first hand experience then STFU and let those with it tell it how it is.

[10t 12]

p.s... I have got arma2 roughed in.... still needs a few tweaks.... but it is bloody fantastic.

I used Facetracknoir and Vireio Perception to get it to work.. only directx 9 capable at the moment...

I just got my "has shipped" email. Any guides to setting it up with A2?

[gonk 0]

If its not too rude, how much did it cost ?

:)

300 bucks.. plus postage...30 bucks (international).

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I just got my "has shipped" email. Any guides to setting it up with A2?

I download this version of Facetracknoir... ftnoir-posix This version has added Oculus as a track source. I had to adjust the ry curve (pitch) to 45/90, as I found it super sensitive in arma2. rx and rz I changed to 180/180. I also set it to Free Track 2 in the game protocol. Then start it.

Go to my documents and find your arma2 profile file. eg gonk.ArmA2OAProfile. make a copy... then make a copy of the copy. Now edit the original, change the following two variables. fovTop=1.2; fovLeft=1.91; 1.2 is 69 degrees, and 1.91 is 110 degrees. ( this will need tweaking but scale is not too bad.)

Connect Oculus rift ...let windows do its thing. Then change display to duplicated the displays. Leave as your default resolution, as arma2 will change the resolution in game.

Next , start arma2/arrowhead and set up the anologue views to free track 2 , in options > controls. Also set video settings to 1280 x 800.

I downloaded the beta version of Vireio Perception at http://www.vireio.com/. file name:- Perception 1.0.5 rc1.zip. This I just extracted and placed the following three files into the arma2 folder.... where the arma2OA.exe lives. d3d9.dll, hijackdll.dll (not a good name), libfreespace.dll. I do not have Vireio Perception running.

Then I start the game and put on Oculus rift and my head phones. I have to use the menus with the headset off as they are not in view .... Vireio Perception breaks the click location and it takes a little trial and error to click the correct spot.

I usually wear glasses (short sighted) and my prescription number is 2.75 for both eyes. I found cup C to be ok and I don't have to wear glasses when using the device. Motion sickness is the biggest problem for the amount of time I can wear them.

This is a rough guide to get you started and it will need tweaking to suit your requirements and to find the correct scale. Fingers cross for an increase in resolution and a reduction in the "fly-screen" effect. You can not read the HUD due to these problems. Motion sickness will go after using them for a few times.... I remember Descent used to make me ill but I got used to it.

After using it for a while I noticed the 3D does not work for this game. It was just playing tricks with my mind. I tried real VR demo and the first thing that stood out was the 3d effect was working. Still it is a good start and shows that there is a fair amount of work to get it to work correctly.. ie menus will need moving, a proper 3d driver needs to be written, text will need changing to one that is more readable. etc. Lets hope we get the option to use this item in the near future.

Edited May 5, 2013 by gonk

[chrisb 196]

I get that to around £225 inc postage (based on you using the AUD). That’s very reasonable, I expected a lot more than that. Thanks for the info..