Different Player Faction

[Militant1006 11]

I don't know how other people feel about this, but i'm really over playing as an american in every single war game out there, even ArmA 2, which is made in Central Europe, is based on the Americans, and even ArmA 1 and Operation Flashpoint are based on them. I do not hate Americans but it is pretty annoying when every war game out there is based on the Americans Kicking ass. I do agree that they have a very strong military but wouldn't be nice to play as the British, Germans, Taliban, Iraqis, Chinese, Russia, France, Pakistan, and even the Australians just to name a few. Sorry about the rant but i just needed to let off some steam. Sorry if i offended any Americans but i don't mean to.

[[frl]myke 14]

I guess this is a matter of sales: US territory is a big sales place, also in other couties, the "average players" are familiar with US stuff. So to get the best possible sales, it is logic to chose US as main faction in the campaign.

Besides this, there are plenty of addons out of several different nations. ArmA 2 has a built-in editor. Feel free to create a campaign, staring another faction. BIS just had to make a decision what peobably sells best.

[-)rStrangelove 0]

You could use a replacement config to make it look like its another faction. Ok, doesnt work in case of Taliban lol, all they do is hiding in mountains and planting bombs at night -> boring gameplay.

I agree though unique campaigns for unique armies would be cool, with unique mission objectives that go along in a realistic way.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

Yea, I will admit that USMC gets boring, but that's when the CDF comes into play. They make a good non-American BLUFOR.

[Militant1006 11]

Myke makes a good point, personally i'm not very good at mission editing, but the US is a big sales place, just suggesting maybe they could put 2 stories in, one US army and a different country like Britain or Germany, one thing i do love about ArmA 2 is the mission editing and easy mod use, very accesible, but it's not perfect. I just thought it would be nice to have a non-american campaign done by professionals.

Big Dawg, the problem with the CDF for me is that their fictional, just Doesn't feel like a "real" army. For OA maybe after it's released they could do a campaign like Eagle Wing but longer where your German Special Forces or something.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

Big Dawg, the problem with the CDF for me is that their fictional, just Doesn't feel like a "real" army.

:confused:

But the country of Chernarus itself does? Seriously, that's a stupid excuse. They use real equipment, speak a real language, what the hell seems so unreal about them? Just because they aren't an actual real world military doesn't mean they can't be realistic.

Actually IMO, CDF are one of the most "real" factions in the game. I mean it is their own territory that they're fighting for. They have a very believable backstory and with obvious reason really fit into the setting of the game.

[mattxr 9]

Well it seem that there is some Cezch and German Units in OA and possible UK Army DLC pack coming so wait and see u might get what u wanted :) when more info comes we can see what is gona happen :P

[Zipper5 74]

It's going to create a strange paradox having Chernarussians in OA speaking "Chernarussian" along with the Czechs speaking Czech. :p

[katipo66 94]

Spetsnaz all day :D

[celery 8]

It's going to create a strange paradox having Chernarussians in OA speaking "Chernarussian" along with the Czechs speaking Czech. :p

Well, you know how Dutch and Afrikaans are separate languages even though they're practically the same.

Edited June 17, 2010 by Celery

[Militant1006 11]

:confused:

But the country of Chernarus itself does? Seriously, that's a stupid excuse. They use real equipment, speak a real language, what the hell seems so unreal about them? Just because they aren't an actual real world military doesn't mean they can't be realistic.

Actually IMO, CDF are one of the most "real" factions in the game. I mean it is their own territory that they're fighting for. They have a very believable backstory and with obvious reason really fit into the setting of the game.

Sorry if i offended you, i like the CDF infact i prefer playing as them over other factions but because their technically not "real" it is not as great playing as them over mods that add other nations. My reason that i started this thread was to suggest a side campaign that is for more of a secondary nation, which it looks like Bohemia is going to do anyway. I'm just saying i prefer playing as a nation that has more of a secondary role and has less support and i thought it would be great if their was some official missions for smaller factions.

Edited June 18, 2010 by Militantsausage

[CarlGustaffa 4]

CDF "sounds real" enough to me. My problem, and reason for not really using them as much as I should, is lack of understanding them. So I tend to stick with USMC/US Army/US Anything...

[Militant1006 11]

CDF "sounds real" enough to me. My problem, and reason for not really using them as much as I should, is lack of understanding them. So I tend to stick with USMC/US Army/US Anything...

The CDF does sound very real to me, but technically they are not plus there is no campaign on them anyway, if Bohemia did a campaign or a mini-campaign on the CDF i would be happy.

but the point of this thread is that I, and I'm sure some other people, would like a official campaign where your not American, not being racist, just think they've had there fair share of glory.

[trooper117 10]

Your thread makes a good point.. Lets have some mainstream British units and vehicles.. (thanks if you are reading this BiS people) it would certainly make gameplay for me far more interesting.

Lets face it, everyone would love to have their own countries kit and equipment to play with.. :)

[Jelliz 10]

Yes lets do some Norwegian troops aswell, because i am Norwegian.

Or..not...

CDF is awesome, its just that they were portrayed as "dumb" in Harvest Red which might put people off from finding them "believable". Community missions and campaigns(Zipper5's Operation Cobalt) have changed that.

[Militant1006 11]

Yes lets do some Norwegian troops aswell, because i am Norwegian.

Or..not...

CDF is awesome, its just that they were portrayed as "dumb" in Harvest Red which might put people off from finding them "believable". Community missions and campaigns(Zipper5's Operation Cobalt) have changed that.

That's what i hate about harvest red, the CDF are somehow so pathetic that insurgents and guerillas fight better than them.

[Nutlink 10]

I'm American and I love playing as the Marines. Rarely do I play any OpFor, CDF, or Independent missions, and I hardly ever pick up their weapons. I know it sounds stupid, but my main reason for not doing is is I cannot relate to these characters. I don't understand their language and I'm not familiar with their equipment/camo/vehicles/etc. When I have to read what they said it just kills the immersion for me.

However, if the British or Australian forces were added I'd probably play those often enough, just because I can at least understand their language. At least being able to understand what another character says helps the immersion level so much. I hate having to try and read the text all the time. Although I admit I would LOVE to see Canadian, British, Australian, German, French, Chinese, and Korean forces in the game just for the variety. Having so many factions work together against a bunch of other factions.......awesome. Straight up awesome.

[bwc153 10]

I am from the US, but i would play any of the Russian style factions (IE: using old Russian equipment) but, I am completely unfamiliar with their sights compared to the ones used by the Western countries...

This is the reason many people I have asked prefer West over East...

[celery 8]

I am completely unfamiliar with their sights compared to the ones used by the Western countries...

BIS screwed up big time with the AK sights, something they haven't fixed since Armed Assault. Try vilas' weapon pack to see how they should have been.

[Wolfstriked 11]

Celery this is something that I thought would never be fixed and was just me.Thanks for the Vilas tip.

[Militant1006 11]

I'm American and I love playing as the Marines. Rarely do I play any OpFor, CDF, or Independent missions, and I hardly ever pick up their weapons. I know it sounds stupid, but my main reason for not doing is is I cannot relate to these characters. I don't understand their language and I'm not familiar with their equipment/camo/vehicles/etc. When I have to read what they said it just kills the immersion for me.

However, if the British or Australian forces were added I'd probably play those often enough, just because I can at least understand their language. At least being able to understand what another character says helps the immersion level so much. I hate having to try and read the text all the time. Although I admit I would LOVE to see Canadian, British, Australian, German, French, Chinese, and Korean forces in the game just for the variety. Having so many factions work together against a bunch of other factions.......awesome. Straight up awesome.

The main reason i don't like using non-english nations is pretty much the same. You just don't feel like you could be one of them.

The thing i love about this game is that mods are so big and there is so many of them, adds so much variety. I'm pretty sure everyone loves their realism as i do, but the thing that sets this game apart from others is the amount of user-made content.

ArmA 2 wouldn't have been much better than Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising if there was no mods. The community is what makes this game the best in the world to me, doesn't matter how many people play Call of Duty: Modern Scorefare 2, i will always like ArmA better.

EDIT:

just added a poll, results might be interesting:)

Edited June 21, 2010 by Militantsausage

[Devil Dogs SF 13]

I want a Russian main campaign for once, they're always being portrayed as the enemy of the universe and then some for some odd reason in all modern games (ie: ArmA 2, MW2, BC2....)

Edited June 21, 2010 by Devil Dogs SF

[Lethn 10]

I want a god damn game mode that DOESN'T involve Americans for once too, I posted a thread about this awhile ago and people practically mocked me with posting up army skin mods and pretty much said "Here you go, go play by yourself". Forget campaign, seeing some non-american factions go against each other would be instantly refreshing. Adding to that I think American weapons and uniforms are just unbelievably boring, you don't have any of the uniqueness that the Russian army has like the Shilka and BMP or the AK weapons and the like. Since the Americans all look like clones and since you can't freely pick what class you want your often stuck with the skin no one likes lmao.

One thing that Bohemia COULD do is actually make it so that we change it so that the players can select what skins they want before hand in the options menu or something and then select class in-game while keeping their preferred skin, maybe even having it so that clans can put on their own individual batallion patches or something and be a part of their own respective countries. I'd much rather see bohemia do this because then the content could be available to everyone rather than just lazily saying "Let the modders deal with it" and then having the community segregated because people want to play the original game by itself and there are others who want to have all the mods. Having a modding community only works when the game is specifically designed around modding and personally I'm beginning to think that Arma 2 wasn't designed well enough with it in mind.

Edited June 21, 2010 by Lethn

[maddogx 13]

Sorry to say this but most of your post makes no sense, and some of the things you said are just plain wrong.

I want a god damn game mode that DOESN'T involve Americans for once too, I posted a thread about this awhile ago and people practically mocked me with posting up army skin mods and pretty much said "Here you go, go play by yourself". Forget campaign, seeing some non-american factions go against each other would be instantly refreshing.

There already is such an MP mode in the game. I believe it's called Warfare - Insurgents, or something similar. Aside from that, I have played a fair number of online matches (both coop and PvP) without any US units. Sure, most MP matches are played with US units, but most people don't seem to have a problem with that.

Adding to that I think American weapons and uniforms are just unbelievably boring, you don't have any of the uniqueness that the Russian army has like the Shilka and BMP or the AK weapons and the like. Since the Americans all look like clones and since you can't freely pick what class you want your often stuck with the skin no one likes lmao.

The Russian side in Arma2 is no more unique than the US side. Their soldiers, vehicles and weapons are standardized just like their US counterparts.

One thing that Bohemia COULD do is actually make it so that we change it so that the players can select what skins they want before hand in the options menu or something and then select class in-game while keeping their preferred skin

This is already possible with faces. Anyone can make a custom face and use it online. You just can't change the uniform.

maybe even having it so that clans can put on their own individual batallion patches or something and be a part of their own respective countries.

Again, this is already possible with the squad.xml file. Any squad can create a custom image that is visible on vehicles and (I believe, though not sure) as an arm patch.

I'd much rather see bohemia do this because then the content could be available to everyone rather than just lazily saying "Let the modders deal with it" and then having the community segregated because people want to play the original game by itself and there are others who want to have all the mods.

Makes no sense. What would be the difference between "lazily letting the modders deal with it" and letting people use complete custom uniforms? In both cases people other than BIS would need to create the skins, except the latter option would give people more freedom. But you are aware that letting people skin their units wouldn't let them create units from other nations, right? They would still have to use whatever weapons and equipment the mission maker put in there, so you would still have to rely on mods if you wanted equipment from other nations.

Having a modding community only works when the game is specifically designed around modding and personally I'm beginning to think that Arma 2 wasn't designed well enough with it in mind.

And I'm beginning to think you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Not specifically designed with modding in mind? Ever heard of OFP or ArmA? Have you even had a look at the modding tools and documentation? The community wiki perhaps? Modding is the life and soul of the game. Get informed.

[biggerdave 56]

A Russian campaign would definitely have been nice addition to ArmA.2...

My guess is Yanks are usually chosen as the protagonists because they're usually the first to go sticking their noses places they aren't wanted! Look at the main conflicts that are happening right now, you'll usually find the US has business in almost all of them and boots on the ground in most of them. The only other nation that could play a similar role would be the UK, and that usually brings up echos of colonialism, which doesn't go down too well with some people (unpatriotic devils! :p )