ArmA2 Project Reality

[hund 0]

Whether or not PR is is doing an arma mod I do not know, but more power to them if they are - after all they did do a fine job with the BF2 engine.

However, the notion that we don't need any mods other than ACE, as stated by others in this thread, I find mildly suicidal. Good as it may be, one mod to rule them all will just breed overspecialization and death to the mod (not modding) community within our little family here.

In a perfect world ACE2 might be able to cater for your every desire, maybe through modularity. But more likely, they will have to limit themselves to doing specific things - after all they are just one mod team, so it can not be expected of them to cater for every whim in the community.

What I am saying here is that it is good to have a little choice for the consumer, and equally good to have a little friendly competion for the developers of the mods. One mod to rule them all wouldn't be a good thing.

[PuFu 4600]

You are quite free to state it - But no need to be petty about the matter, you have your opinion, everyone in this topic has. That doesn't need one needs to express it, it certainly does not entail that one has to act like a fanboy about it. "I hope they stay far away from ArmA", it sounds like you expect PR to steal your women and your cleaning jobs.

I say it once again, the self proclaimed maturity of this community and some of it's long term members is evidently something that is liable to be thrown out of the window at the mere mention of a BF2 mod making it's way into ARMA 2. There is no need to "protect" this community from modmakers, of any kind. Quite the opposite, I have had alot of fun with modifications that are far removed from the touted and much acclaimed realism that prompted me to buy this game in the first place (for example LEGAwarz and so on)

There is however reason to think about what one will accomplish by whinging at the potential forming of a modification that might, just might, improve the game in one aspect or another. Imagine if this would have been the attitude when ACE was announced, hard to imagine, but please, do try. Creativity, no matter to what ends it is employed will never harm this game, nor it's community. At the very worst, it will make no difference to the way it's played, at the very best, it will give us a new perspective upon playing it.

Yes, i support his affirmation.

No matter if the source is reliable or not (as in if it will ever happen that PR dev will come to mod for A2), it can't do any harm to any of you who are opposing it. The modding community will never grow if you are holding against certain individuals for trying to get the most out of a flowed game.

PLUS, you can't make A2 behave like BF2 in the first place. It's really hard (or well, dumb) to make A2 worse.

So whatever it will be, i will always support modding communities, new or old.

[NoRailgunner 0]

Until there is no confirmation from PR team this is a very theoretical discussion. ;)

[hund 0]

But we are so good at theorizing and getting all wound up over nothing - it's like our shtick!

Anyways, just to contradict myself a little bit (that's what happens when you only have a Mk 2 brain - you end up arguing with your own posts) I have seen several mods do exactly the same theme in the past, and that kinda hurts a little.

If a mod has a theme of its own I can see the point, but for three different teams to be working on the ultimate realism mod or the ultimate iraq war mod or what have you, just seems a bit of a waste really. From the perspective of an end user, I'd much rather see people put their egos aside and team up when doing so seems prudent.

[stilpu 0]

On topic, wouldn't a Project Reality mod for ArmA 2 just remove some of the reality? I havn't played PR myself but from videos it seems alot less realistic than ArmA 2.

I'm pretty sure the "less realistic" feeling of PR is caused by the limitations of the BF2 engine and they'd love to do something closer to ArmA/ACE if it would be possible. In fact, you can check their suggestions list (the ones marked in red can't be implemented in the BF2 engine)... you'd be surprised how many of them are in ArmA already.

As I said, all I'd like to see right now is a permanent server running Devastation (preferably on ACE2) and enforcing as many anti-griefing rules as possible (by means of admins or scripts)... I'm willing to bet that once you start this snowball the rest will come by itself.

[Gedis 0]

http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f11-off-topic-discussion/60614-arma-2-a-127.html

All interest in arma2 is there and as a bonus, "crap" game etc, pr is way better etc...

Originally Posted by STALKERGB

Hello everyone,

As i'm sure most of you don't know I have been in intense (well not intense but it sounds cool if i say intense) discussion with some people over at Project Reality, the BF2 mod for those who don't know. Anyway, the discussions were mainly about adding PR assets to ARMA 2, in an ideal world i would have made everything myself but that would take till ARMA 3 (or maybe 4).

So what it all boiled down to was PR giving me permission to use their work in ARMA 2 (so planes, tanks, helicopters, weapons and so on...) which is good news for you lot cause you'll get lots more stuff to play with!

As essentially I work for PR now, the mods i create will come under the PR banner, all that really means is that the PR name will be here and there alot more so don't worry if you think things will be changing, as always my focus will be on the infantry but hopefully armour will be working properly in game too!

Anyway I'll keep everyone updated on my progress on these forums but it might also be worth your while checking the PR forums from time to time.

PR Forums

Anyway, here are some pictures of my work, these were taken a while ago but you guys always want more pictures so....

Comments on the pics more than welcome as always,

Matt

EDIT, page 116 in that forum, a guy called arma2 worst FPS game - such an insult(since when ofp/arma/arma2 were FPS games?)...

but all of them wait for ace2 :D

P.S. so who was talking about immaturity?

Edited September 17, 2009 by Gedis

[stilpu 0]

Could you please stop the trolling? You're bashing a mod you haven't played just because it was developed on the skeleton of an arcade game? If you're judging PR based on videos, at least judge it based on this one: http://vimeo.com/1716387

[InFireBaptize 0]

sorry mate I'll take the word of the OFP-DR community manager over yours any day... as of yesterday the 16th September the CM line was...

It is a shame that CM butchered the game. One guy that used to work for ACE has left ACE and joined CSP "combat simulation project", good luck waiting for the tools.

[Steakslim 1]

http://www.realitymod.com/forum/f11-off-topic-discussion/60614-arma-2-a-127.html

All interest in arma2 is there and as a bonus, "crap" game etc, pr is way better etc...

EDIT, page 116 in that forum, a guy called arma2 worst FPS game - such an insult(since when ofp/arma/arma2 were FPS games?)...

but all of them wait for ace2 :D

P.S. so who was talking about immaturity?

OFP, ArmA, and ArmA2 have always been FPS games. Don't sugarcoat them with bullshit just because you don't want them associated with any other games of the genre. As for ArmA2 being the worst? Thats entirely subjective and though I should respect that person's opinion, I do find it stupid as there are much worse games out there in the FPS genre, many of them with nowhere near the replayability as BIS's games have had.

[monty67t 0]

This is getting funny. I love reading posts by the ArmA fanboys who are so obsessed with it. Don't get me wrong, the original OFP, ArmA, and ArmA2 are great. However, OFP-DR will have the ability to be more realistic than any BIS game simply because of the engine. Right now in ArmA2 if you shoot a humvee in the door enough times it will blow up, lol. IS THAT REALISTIC?

There are modding tools that will be available for OFP-DR. I don't care what the community manager posts in the forums, we have other sources, but you can believe whatever you want.

Back on topic. Project Reality did wonders for BF2. As stated previously, if you've never played it and are making assumptions then you are just a fool. As said by a great a great commander "Assumption is the mother of all f**k ups".

[InFireBaptize 0]

There are modding tools that will be available for OFP-DR. I don't care what the community manager posts in the forums, we have other sources, but you can believe whatever you want.

i hope so, i hope so because i'm not touching that arcadesh game without a proper realistic mod.

Back on topic. Project Reality did wonders for BF2. As stated previously, if you've never played it and are making assumptions then you are just a fool. As said by a great a great commander "Assumption is the mother of all f**k

ups".

i agree, PR did wonder to BF2, and PR on Arma2 should be easier to implement because the foundation is there, not like you're starting from scratch like BF2, just my opinion.

Edited September 19, 2009 by Planck

[NoRailgunner 0]

I don't care what the community manager posts in the forums, we have other sources

"I...we" - personality disorders - schizoid?

"other sources" - have you asked John Doe about DR tools?

Seriously - why did you create this thread if you dont have any proof or confirmations about PR projects for Arma2 or DR tools?

oh found a nice quote:

"How empty is theory in presence of fact" - Mark Twain

[PuFu 4600]

Right now in ArmA2 if you shoot a humvee in the door enough times it will blow up, lol. IS THAT REALISTIC?

hmmm, right now, you can mod everything to be damaged only by certain types of calibers.

to do a parallel with the OFP:DR you baking up, right now, if you look really hard at a medical bag, you get patched up...and all by yourself....

SO please, stop comparing grapes with carrots, not gonna work...

[hund 0]

Why are you so angry, Monty67t?

[monty67t 0]

@InFireBaptize

Have you played OFP-DR? Didn't think so. So your assumption that it is arcadish is complete bullshit.

@NoRailGunner

That is correct, I would mean myself and WE would mean the team I work with. As for my sources inside Codemasters, I don't have to reveal anything to you, you are no one.

@pufu

If I shoot a humvee in the door enough times with an M240 it burst into flames. That is fact. The same goes for helicopters, RED BARRELS, and pretty much everything else in the ArmA world. I've seen entire buildings go down from small arms fire. As for your second comment about the medical bag. I have no idea what you mean, try to type it in better english.

@Hund

What are you talking about? Can you tell me emotions by text? I'm not angry about anything. I find all the assumptions and ridiculous comments be people who think they know everything and don't know anything extremely funny.

[scubaman3D 0]

@pufu

If I shoot a humvee in the door enough times with an M240 it burst into flames. That is fact. The same goes for helicopters, RED BARRELS, and pretty much everything else in the ArmA world. I've seen entire buildings go down from small arms fire. As for your second comment about the medical bag. I have no idea what you mean, try to type it in better english.

he's referring to a recent gameplay vid from OFP2 showing, among other things, an SP mission where if you get hit, you take out a medical bag and hold it up infront of your face and you are healed.

Arcadey? Yes...

Will I still play it? Absolutely... :)

[monty67t 0]

Kind of like in ArmA when you select to heal in the action menu and you are magically all better. How is that not arcadey? Furthermore, in OFP-DR, once you get shot, you never get back to full health. You can stop the bleeding and stuff, but it's not like ArmA where you get shot and then magically heal yourself back to brand new condition.

[jhoson14 10]

I have just a few word to the magical healing...

ACE Mod, u can stop the bleedind with a bandage and try a morphine to make the pain go away for a while!

But without a medic you will be all screwed up.

[AliMag 0]

Hi,

Have you played OFP-DR?

OFP-DR will have the ability to be more realistic than any BIS game

@monty67t

I'll ask you the same: Have you played OFP-DR?

Because if you dont I will respectfully ask you to explain what make you think it will be more realistic than Arma II despite everything pointing to the contrary on the released videos.

Cheers

[Hboybowen 10]

wait I thought he said PR is coming to A2 not OFP-DR. An if PR actually is coming with these suggestions most are already in A2 others can easily be done while others are pretty difficult:

3D IronSights 1 2 3

AC-130 Gunship 1 2 3 4

APC Spawning/gunner Position 1 2

Assault Greande Launcher (GL) Sights

Automatic M14

Amphibious Assault Vehicle - AAV

Asymmetrical Balance

Badgers

British forces

Backblast from Anti tank weapons

Blood Effect

Black screen when dead 1

Bouncy Grenades

Breaching/Breeching/Battering Rams/Doors/C2/

Bipods for Sniper/Support/LMG/Machine Gun

Better/detailed weapons model 1

Bullet Penetration

Bullet Drop

Better Wreck explosions

Cameraman/Reporter Kit [for Insurgent OR Blufor]1

Customisable kits/ Kit Customisation/Custom Kits

Concertina Wire/Barbed Wire/Razor Wire

Concussions

Commander placed TOW

Combined Forces (UK+US vs MEC+PLA)

Chinese Rebels

Civilians/Non Combatants Better clothing/less differentiated from Insurgents

Civilian Killed=Death for Killer

Craters

Delayed Points/Remove Ingame point scoreboard

Depth of Field on weapons, blurred around sights

Destoryable Bunkers/ Any Statics

Defibrillators Unrealistic/Medic/Remove

Dynamic Injury/Legs/Arms

Dynamic Weather System/ Day to Night maps

Drive By

Health Indicator

Ear Ringing/Tinnitus/Beep/Shout 1

Drag/Help/Pull/Pickup wounded/downed/friendly

Fast Ropes off BlackHawk

Free Aim (Armed Assault/Operation Flashpoint)

Foxholes

Factions - SWAT, SPETZNAZ, GSG Any Police Force

Factions- Australian 1

Factions- Canadian 1

Factions- Dutch 1

Factions- Israeli 1

Factions- German 1

Factions- Hamas 1

Factions- Norwegian 1

Factions - PFC/PMC/Private Military Companies/PSC/Private Security Companies/Mercenaries/Blackwater 1

Factions- Russian 1

Factions- Taliban and Al Qaeda separated, not just 'insurgents'.

Factions- Serbian Army

Factions- United Nations Faction

Infra Red Goggles/ Thermal Sights

Invasion of USA

Scopes/Backup Ironsights

Insurgent Helicopters

Insurgent/Iraqi Jets/planes

Insurgent Roadblocks

Instrument Panels/HUD/Helicopters/Hrizon/Artificial 1

range marker on binoculars 1

Limited Pilot Kit

Leaning/Looking around Corners

Longer Time Wrecks Disappearing Bodies [in-game]

Kit loadout change/add weapons/remove weapons/ custom kits

Head Bouncing/bobbing/shake/wobble/wobbling

Helicopter Crashes/Non mid air explosion

Helicopter Controls/Physics (too Difficult)

Holstered Rifles/Not in Use/Rifle Slings

Kicking grenades 1

Killing/Finishing off the wounded

Map/Movement/Markers/Waypoints 1

Militia

Minimap (bring back)

More Opposition Factions - Communists/Fascists Baddies/Bad Guys

Mortars (not player Controlled)

Mounted MGs on CO assets

Music in Chopper/Helicopters 1

Mine/C4/SLAM Warnings

Name Tags- Only for your squad

Night Maps

NPCs

Omaha Beach Map/Beach Assault

Remove Overheating/Extend

Private Servers/Pay to Play/Passworded

Parachute Spawning

Paratrooper Kit 1 (paratrooper kit included in German Forces Plan"

Pick Up Main weapon off Enemy kits Only, not equipment

Pistol Sounds/Damage Improvements

Plane Crashes/Non Mid Air Explosions

Planes too Slow/Difficult to shoot down.

Prone Spamming/Dolphing Diving

Prone Delay (instant prone)

Prone/Shooting

Shooting when shot at/upon not being able to shoot back

Sounds can be too loud

Specialized squads (usually done ingame via server participation)

Squad Distance limiter

Squad Cars /Personal Vehicles

Squad Sandbags / Dirt Mounds / Foxholes

Stationary RPGs

Sound Occlusion/ Block Sound/bouncing sounds

Pilot Application/Commander Approval

Spec Ops as a limited kit/ Remove [in-game] 1

Surgeries/Field Hospitals.1

Suicide Bomb kits

Snipers/Semi/Partial/Transparency/Visibility/See/through 1

Slow/Speed/Hit/Shot/Turn/Bleed/Effect 1

Suppressing/Suppression Fire

Stamina reduction upon dodging bullets

Spread Bullet Decrease accuracy

Squad Size 8 men increase

Squad Leader spawning

Squadleader Spawning Remove

Squadleader having a different weapon

Surrender/ 1

Sound Delay/Travel/time

Slow Sprint

Rain

Radioman kit

Radio Messages/Any At All 1

Real Damage To Soldiers

Random Events (JDAM or Artillery going off)

Realistic/Accuracy/ 1

Realistic weight system

Reducing Spawn times

Recon Kits

Remove the Spotting Function/Manual Only

Remove minimap

Repair Station

Reinforcements in Waves

Rubber bullets/Bean Bags/Non Lethal

Television/Press/TV Crews/Stations

Training Maps

TrackIR4 1

Change minimap/Colour/Color/Rally Point Colour/RP 1

WW2/WWII Version of Project Reality

Weapons - M82/M107/SR-25/M21

Weapons - Nerf/AT/HAT/Heavy/anti/tank/light 1

Weapons - Weapon Sway/Wave/Tremble

Weapons - Replacement Pistols - Tokarev/Makarov

Weapons - G36 1

Weapons - Ironsights on all Weapons/Including Stationary ones

Weapons - JDAM 500/2500 lbs Bombs

Weapons - Reskinning/Textures

Weapons - Resupplying system for specialised munition

Weapons - Moveable fixed LMG/lean/rest on objects/Bipods

Weapons - SAM-R/SDM-R

Weapons - SR25/Mk11/M110

Weapons - Support Gunner/Give back ammo

Weapons - Support Gunner/SAW Magazines

Weapons - Support Gunner/Scopes.

Weapons - Javelin

Weapon - Lee Enfield/Kar98

Weapons - Minimi/for British Support

Weapons - Guns JAM/Jamming

Weapons - Sounds Not being realistic1

Weapons - RPG Ironsights Optics 1

Weapons - Supressors/Silencers for SpecOps/Snipers

Weapons- Draw time weapon delay noob tube spammage

Weapons - Grenade Physics

Weapons - Larger Bombs

Weapons - M32 / Multiple Grenade Launcher

Weapons - MK 19/ Automatic Grenade Launcher/super/Pwnage! 1 2 3

Weapons - Active Denial System / Microwave Weapon 1 2 3

Weapons - Cruise Missiles

Weapons - Artillery/ Manual

Weapons - Airstrike Request

Weapons - Ability to check for ammo/magazines.

Weapons - Bayonets (some weapons)

Weapons - Personal Defense Weapon/PDW/SMG/Pilot/Protection

Weapons - Bullet Caliber Damage.

Weapons - Unrealistic Damage

Weapons - Different Grenades For Each Army

Weapons - Transparent mines/C4/explosives

Weapons - Any BF2v weapon/Mp5/FN2000/Scar(H)(L)

Weapons - m240/M60/M16A4/ACOG Scopes/VSS Vintorez

Weapons - Mk-12/Special Purpose Rifle/SPR

Weapons - Tracers/Unrealistic

Weapons - Scoped LMG/Support Weapons

Weapons - Machine-gunner Kit (Medium Machine-gun/GPMG)

Weapons - Steyr HS-50

Weapons - Accuracy International AW-50F

Weapons - Recoilless Rifles

Weapons - DSHK 1

Wind 1

Vehicles - BlackHawk MiniGuns too Weak

Vehicles - Medivac Chopper/helicopters

Vehicles - Boats/New/adding/Models 1

Vehicles - +8 Seats on vehicles/aircraft

Vehicles - A10 whines nerf it/ less powerfull

Vehicles - HoverCraft/LCAC/Landing Craft 1

Vehicles - Carrier/Destroyable/Aircraft/sinkable 1

Vehicles - Tanks/Throwing grenades down hatches.

Vehicles - Tanks/Chinese/Type/99 1 2

Vehicles - Tank/clock/Directional/Warning 1

Vehicles - Ejectors on planes.

Vehicles - Spider Tanks

Vehicles - LSG Fennek

Vehicles - Mi 24 Hind/Comanche Attack Helicopter

Vehicles - Damage on players inside.

Vehicles - Enclosed HMMWVs/Humvees

Vehicles - Hotwire enemy vehicles.

Vehicles - Bomber Planes

Vehicles - Airlifting

Vehicles - Cargo airplanes (C-130/C-17/etc)

Vehicles - Manual transmission (multiple gears system)

Vehicles - Laser Designation/Designator/Heat/ Lock on/Ground/Vehicles

Vehicles - Rocket pods on Blackhawk/AH-60L Blackhawk DAP

Vehicles - Apache

Vehicles - Stryker/AAV/Bradley

Vehicles - Challenger 2/C2

Vehicles - Expeditionary Fighting Vehicle (EFV) 1

Vehicles - Kamov/Ka50/52

Vehicles - Weapon stabilisers

Vehicles - Huey/Lynx

Vehicles - Star Streak HVM

Vehicles - ATMP

Vehicles - Aircraft/Jets F16/F14/F18/F117/F35

Vehicles - Ability for CoPilots to fly

Vehicles - One parachute per spawn

Vehicles - Affectable/Degradable Windshields

VoIP between squads/between squad leaders/vehicles

UAVs/Radars

Unrepairable Bridges

Zombie Mod

But I just dont see the point of coming to A2 when you have the will and support of creating your own game from scratch I mean honestly I would do that and take the chance of becoming the next big studio than being a mod studio. I mean they can take there wants for PR2 and go far beyond A2 or OFP with a engine. I mean grab some college students(who major is the game industry profession such as myself) and get a engine and BAM you got yourself a AAA team that can go far. So if in one hand i have a engine and the other I have A2 or OFP-DR or BF2. Which would the obvious man choose.

Edited September 17, 2009 by Hboybowen

[scubaman3D 0]

Kind of like in ArmA when you select to heal in the action menu and you are magically all better. How is that not arcadey?

Will I still play it? Absolutely...

I think you're arguing for argument's sake. The said gameplay video made me want to try DR. Why do you care if I believe something is or isn't arcadish if it doesn't influence my desire to play?

[maddogx 13]

On the original topic, I'd like to say that I'd be interested to see what a PR mod could bring to Arma2. It's not like it can hurt to have a larger choice of high quality mods.

As for the whole Arma2 vs. OFPDR mud flinging, can't we keep that to the off topic section?

And this:

As for my sources inside Codemasters, I don't have to reveal anything to you, you are no one.

... has to be one of the creepiest things I've ever read on this forum.

[monty67t 0]

Another pointless thread filled with garbage. I should have known better than to think this community could handle the discussion. You can't have a discussion with people who know everything and you can polish a turd as much as you want, it's still a turd.

[InFireBaptize 0]

@InFireBaptize

Have you played OFP-DR? Didn't think so. So your assumption that it is arcadish is complete bullshit.

no it's not bullshit but let me turn the table! Have you played it? i'm by no means trying to compare OFPDR with ArmA2 in fact i wanted something to compete neck/neck with arma2, and i think CM made more damages to this game than good for the PC version "missing features and arcadish look/feel". Heck i pre-ordered the game but cancelled from amazon once i learned that no confirmation on modding tools as when to become available for the CPS team.

I'd love to see PR come to ArmA2 but i think ACE guys have more experience working with arma and they'll probably do a better job.

Regards,

[Binkowski 26]

I sense a lock in this threads future.