FP : DR - News & Discussion

[MehMan 0]

Articles author's email: btalbot@futurenet.co.uk

[froggyluv 2136]

CM is just going about this all wrong.

Would it have been so to hard to have taken the approach-

"BI did a great job with the Original and we were pleased to have partnered in the Production (not creation) of the Original. Hopefully we can release a game to rival theirs in both spirit and gameplay." (Hypothetical)

I don't think anyone would have taken offense to that.

[sparks50 0]

From the article:

Quote[/b] ]something as heavily sim as the original wouldn't work across both pc and consoles

This is interesting, this means that the developer itself says that Dragons rising will be more mainstream.

Hardly a surprise with the glimpse of game play we saw in the "behind the scenes video", but its strange to confess this while marketing the game as "Unparalleled levels of realism".

And what about the 100% genuine weapon systems we have been promised?

[JdB 151]

This is interesting, this means that the developer itself says that Dragons rising will be more mainstream.

Hardly a surprise with the glimpse of game play we saw in the "behind the scenes video", but its strange to confess this while marketing the game as "Unparalleled levels of realism".

And what about the 100% genuine weapon systems we have been promised?

What you market something as, and what it really is are two completely separate things in many industries, including the gaming industry.

Also when you said "promised", you probably meant to say "Something we say to keep people interested/happy until our priorities shift"

Never trust anything to be included until you've got the box in your own hands.

[SaBrE_UK 0]

From the article:

Quote[/b] ]something as heavily sim as the original wouldn't work across both pc and consoles

This is interesting, this means that the developer itself says that Dragons rising will be more mainstream.

Hardly a surprise with the glimpse of game play we saw in the "behind the scenes video", but its strange to confess this while marketing the game as "Unparalleled levels of realism".

And what about the 100% genuine weapon systems we have been promised?

It is odd. We'll see I suppose, but it'll be no Flashpoint. It can still be good, though.

Also from the article:

Quote[/b] ]Codies researched Chinese hardware sing the web

So it's true! They did get a team of Google searchers as advisers

[Thunnder Bunny 0]

When X-PLAY did a preview of DR ,they showed mostly concept vids. There still wasn't any acknowledgment that CM only owns the name. Yet they still acted like OFP was their baby....even the concept of non linear battles.

PC GAMER does a Preview and they understand the whole story about who made OFP. They even complemented ARMA2 when comparing the landscapes with another sim ,KA-Blackshark.

When it comes tv media like G4 / GTTV they are only going to say what CM has written down for them to say. But if you talk with the people involved like Adam sessler or Geoff Keighley, they might interject a little bit of the true backstory next time they do a pre/review.

[Baff1 0]

From the article:

Quote[/b] ]something as heavily sim as the original wouldn't work across both pc and consoles

This is interesting, this means that the developer itself says that Dragons rising will be more mainstream.

Hardly a surprise with the glimpse of game play we saw in the "behind the scenes video", but its strange to confess this while marketing the game as "Unparalleled levels of realism".

Every game and it's dog is marketed as "Unparalleled levels of realism".

[Prydain 1]

Quote[/b] ]Codies researched Chinese hardware sing the web

So it's true! They did get a team of Google searchers as advisers

You ware a Mac, hang around near schools and touch children.

Concrete evidence? Na, I don't need it either.

Quote[/b] ]This is interesting, this means that the developer itself says that Dragons rising will be more mainstream.

I am sure thats what ArmA 2 plans also, being that you play in 'RAZORRRRR' MANSIZEGUNSHOOTBADGUYS Team, which is what? Four men in total? I don't know what double standard you are going to pull next but I doubt it will get any more comical.

And the rest of you quoting from a magazine have not proven that was not an error made by the magazine, not Codemasters staff. Can we not just set the bar higher than the hate that fills 'their' forums?

[froggyluv 2136]

And the rest of you quoting from a magazine have not proven that was not an error made by the magazine, not Codemasters staff. Can we not just set the bar higher than the hate that fills 'their' forums?

I don't think anyone here is wasting their time 'hating' a game devloper -that would be sad. Although your very off-color analogy to pedophilia comes pretty close.

As far as needing proof, CM has lost the benefit of the doubt that this was indeed a one time magazine editorial error.

[sparks50 0]

Half of the campaign of Arma you played as SF

The Arma 2 campaign will not be very realistic either, neither has anyone I know claimed it to be so. So thats a straw man argument you are doing there.

You are welcome to comment on a double standard if you see one though.

[4 IN 1 0]

and i dont think he really plays into ofp campaign that deep, because about 1/4 of the mission in CWC and almost all mission in RES is more or less SF mission

Anyway, just because the you play as SF doesn't mean you are going to dump down the game very much rgr

[Deadfast 43]

And the rest of you quoting from a magazine have not proven that was not an error made by the magazine, not Codemasters staff. Can we not just set the bar higher than the hate that fills 'their' forums?

You're so right - this ugly press...

Poor Codemasters getting blamed for being the original developers of OFP for the second time now  

[xav 0]

Have you seen the latest video from Gamestar?

No way the game is coming out in September... unless cody wants the game to fail badly!

[CameronMcDonald 146]

Lulz, still looks like a happy happy BF2 revamp to me... the gliding movements especially...

[bravo 6 0]

does anyone have a link to the recent video?

[Przemek_kondor 14]

from the official site: ftp://downloads.codemasters.com/video/ofdr_action_uk_wmv.zip

[Commando84 0]

saw the latest Ign video, looks like a good challenge for Bf 2 or Cod 4.

[eble 3]

It looks more and more like a very advanced BF 2 game.

[dm 9]

And the rest of you quoting from a magazine have not proven that was not an error made by the magazine, not Codemasters staff. Can we not just set the bar higher than the hate that fills 'their' forums?

You're so right - this ugly press...

Poor Codemasters getting blamed for being the original developers of OFP for the second time now  

Once is a mistake, over and over and over again can only be on purpose.

Also, I just read the latest IGN preview, and it opened with a line I thought i was familiar with:

Quote[/b] ]"Flashpoint is as close to war as you'd want to get. It's a game that will make you feel the fear of going to battle". So begins our introduction to the first proper hands-on with Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising, the long-awaited follow-up to one of the most realistic first-person shooters ever released.

Turns out almost everyone described the original OFP the same way:

Quote[/b] ]Operation Flashpoint Cold War Crisis is as close to war as you ever want to get. You are dropped in the path of the Red Army. Your objective is clear: take ..

See a quick google here.

So you're not allowed to create a sequel, but you're still advertising it as such, STILL calling it the sequel - or "follow-up", and now even using tag lines from the original? Seems a little underhand to me...

[rekrul 7]

I don't see the controversy. CM owns the name and the franchise and even though you don't have the same developers (which isn't common after 7-8 years) it is a follow-up/sequel/whatever. It's like saying Batman 2 isn't really a sequel since it has a completely different staff, writers, directors and actors...

[dm 9]

I don't see the controversy.

The controversy is that when BI and CM split, BI retained the exclusive rights to make a sequel.

Or in layterms, BI is the only entity legally allowed to create a game labeled as "the official sequel to Operation Flashpoint"

Essentially, CM is breaking the law every time they say "the sequel to OFP", using the positive press from OFP to boost their [CM's] product, when it is BI's right (legally and morally) to do so.

Thats where the fuss is.

[Przemek_kondor 14]

Batman is not a title - he is hero with mask and cool stuff and lives/fights in Gotham City.

He is the content.

[cozza 24]

OMG. i just saw the OFP2 trailer. It looks horrible. thats all that need to be said

[walker 0]

OMG. i just saw the OFP2 trailer. It looks horrible. thats all that need to be said

ditto

[sparks50 0]

Gamestar video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8GmRqhrh0k

I'm looking forward to both games. I just call it Dragon Rising, because in my book, Codemasters has no right to be surfing on BIs creation like they are.