A.C.E. Advanced Combat Environment Mod 2

[CombatComm 10]

lol Awseome! I wana try!

To all those who have claimed they can run with heavy loads, soldiers are out of shape, etc. in the last 3 weeks....

You have 4 days from the date of this posting to post a link to a new YouTube video of yourself sprinting with 40kg of gear on your back for 200m and then reciting the first 20 sentences of your national constitution without any errors. At the begining you must include yourself showing your national identity card in a way it can be clearly ready on the screen by a person with 20/20 vision in non-HD mode without any magnification aids. The video will be checked for tampering.

Failure to complete the challenge will be an explicit and total admission that you are spamming this forum and BI will be asked to look into whether you should be punished for abusive and/or harrassing behavior.

[kklownboy 43]

but before the sprint they have to keep taking off the gear and putting it back on for 20min(like in the game choosing weapons) and then walk around for 15min more(waiting for orders) then the sprint.

[Guest]

then reciting the first 20 sentences of your national constitution without any errors.

Thats not fair, your making it to hard on them.

Ask them to sing the banana song.

[Inkompetent 0]

National constitution? Not even the politicians in Sweden knows that, even less the soldiers!

[Winch3st3r 0]

getting back on topic...... I am not one who could implement such ideas but i do agree a new fatigue system must be developed. The amount of time yelling at the screen for making me black out after jogging 20 ft with a full ruck sack is ridiculous. This is not meant to put down the previous system as I understand there were most likely some engine limitations but if what i am reading is correct the blackout system is the incorrect system to implement.

[mattxr 9]

a new fatigue system must be developed. .

And have you read the developers posts? :butbut:

any news on what east aircraft can and cant be refuled in mid flight or is that a silly question? lol

[PuFu 4600]

getting back on topic...... I am not one who could implement such ideas but i do agree a new fatigue system must be developed. The amount of time yelling at the screen for making me black out after jogging 20 ft with a full ruck sack is ridiculous. This is not meant to put down the previous system as I understand there were most likely some engine limitations but if what i am reading is correct the blackout system is the incorrect system to implement.

You think Echo was joking or what? He didn't

Please, if you wanna comment on balckout etc, provide the youtube video requested.

Edited October 17, 2009 by PuFu

[Simon C 0]

Speaking of inflight refuelling, I hope that it's all probe-and-drogue, none of that boom-and-receptacle nonsense. :p

[Defunkt 431]

You think Echo was joking or what? He didn't

You have been reported.

Please, if you wanna comment on balckout etc, provide the youtube video requested.

Excuse me but, you don't set the agenda in this or any other forum here. His post is on topic, if you don't want your mod discussed don't start a thread for it in the AddOns & Mods Discussion forum.

[SnakeGRNET 10]

I have to say that not allowing discussions on certain topics is very eletist (Def: (noun) those whose views on a matter are to be taken the most seriously or carry the most weight or those who view their own views as so) of you... I do think that the mod should be done the way you are planning, but conversation on alternative ideas should not be forbidden. As I said though, I think that the fatigue system in ACE is modeled well. His post was legit, though.

That said, if you don't like his post or don't want to respond/argue to him personally, make a statement that says something like: "The current fatigue model is already defined and will not be changed. Thanks for you insight."

I would like to see someone post their attempt at what Echo said to do! That could be entertaining.

[icewindo 29]

I still don't understand why they decided to keep the "blacking out" system. Real soldiers (and humans overall) don't run until they black out, but rather slow down when they are too tired to run quickly.

But that's exactly what happened in ACE1, I don't really see your point. :confused:

If you had too much gear you would exhaust quickly representated by the light black in/out, then the dog like gasping for breath and finally the passing out which could have been avoided if the "real soldier" or "real player" would have listened to his character and hit the SHIFT-Key, that dog like breathing should tell everyone to slow down, seriously with all these warnings you couldn't miss the hint your character didn't like the speed he was kept going .

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Concerning ACE-2, if this applies to the new stamina system, I think it would be nice to add modules for e.g. a percentage-based overall change of stamina loss which mission makers could use to enlargen the stamina effects in e.g. desert terrain.

A dynamic setup calculalating weather and time would be nice too, but I guess it would be more complicated to implement.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Icewindo

[subs17 9]

I agree. One guy posted saying he saw a soldier once passing out. Ive seen someone pass out too. It doesnt mean it should be included. I personally didnt like the passing out feature. It happend WAY too soon and was just annoying.

Normally when a person passes out its due to one of several reasons he could be dehydraded or it could be from heat exhaustion. It also depends on where they are which may attribute to the cause of the problem such has hot dry desert or humid tropical conditions. This can be countered however by water intake. In a situation where a person blacks out from lack of oxygen it can only be done by being physically pushed beyond their capability. This won't happen IRL unless you are literally dragged to maintain a high sprint pace continuously until the oxygen intake is not enough to keep the pace. The conditions in Arma do not allow for this effect you simply won't meet that condition unless your character were tied to a vehicle and forced to run behind it for 5kms.

[usarmy19dsniper 0]

To all those who have claimed they can run with heavy loads, soldiers are out of shape, etc. in the last 3 weeks....

You have 4 days from the date of this posting to post a link to a new YouTube video of yourself sprinting with 40kg of gear on your back for 200m and then reciting the first 20 sentences of your national constitution without any errors. At the begining you must include yourself showing your national identity card in a way it can be clearly read on the screen by a person with 20/20 vision in non-HD mode without any magnification aids. The video will be checked for tampering.

Failure to complete the challenge will be an explicit and total admission that you are spamming this forum and BI will be asked to look into whether you should be punished for abusive and/or harrassing behavior.

If I am sprinting for 200 M, I won't be able to finish the first 20 lines of the Constitution in time.

Anyways can somebody time how long it takes for somebody to run 200 M with 40kg in Arma1 with ACE?

Based on what I found in Arma1, @40kg I Ran 100 Meters in 15 seconds before passing out.

Tomorrow I will do it IRL with my helmet camera. I will wear a helmet, body armor, uniform, boots and rucksack. I will have a scale to weight myself and equipment and include it in the video. I will not recite the Constitution but I will recite the "Ballad of the Green Berets"

Edited October 17, 2009 by usarmy19dsniper

[subs17 9]

I would like to point out that a portion of that statement was in response to other comments in this thread, so sorry for the confusion.

Pointing out flaws in your arguments or simply disagreeing do not constitute flaming. I am not in the least hostile, but tone typically does not translate well in text, particularly when you are disagreeing with an individual's stated position.

Interesting take on the M79 issue but I would imagine the issue with the packs is simply a limitation of either the game or the time available to develop it. The M79 could be secured in many ways not requiring dropping the pack to access it but neither method reduces the weight. Perhaps SF could run with it, perhaps not. Did/do they have the ability to set separate fitness levels for different classes?

It also depends upon what you consider a light load. Remember to add the 20 or so pounds (20 is probably at the low end for the standard issue) for the tactical vest with armor plates that most characters are already wearing. I carried roughly 100lbs of gear without counting my ruck and it's contents and people weren't mistaking me for Carl Lewis

Maybe Body armour should be added to the inventory and also the damage model.

You also assert that regular soldiers maintain a high fitness level which is true only if you consider contestants of "The Biggest Loser" to maintain a moderate fitness level. Simply paying attention to the news cycles where the militaries of many of the major world powers seem to be competing to see who can be the most obese, makes this obvious. In war time, fitness training takes a back seat to other priorities and minimum standards are not that high to begin with. You are using the top few % as a base line.

Yes they actually do maintain a high fitness level infact all types of soldiers do from many armys. You assume that I'm mentioning this from the TV I'm actually repeating what a friend of mine is saying. Hes worked with quite alot of Armys from other countrys including the US Army on operations. All of the ones he worked with did PT and they were all quite fit. Hes also been in the Army for over 20 years served on a couple of deployments and just as an example even part time soldiers maintain a high fitness level and never once seen anyone black out.

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To all those who have claimed they can run with heavy loads, soldiers are out of shape, etc. in the last 3 weeks....

You have 4 days from the date of this posting to post a link to a new YouTube video of yourself sprinting with 40kg of gear on your back for 200m and then reciting the first 20 sentences of your national constitution without any errors. At the begining you must include yourself showing your national identity card in a way it can be clearly read on the screen by a person with 20/20 vision in non-HD mode without any magnification aids. The video will be checked for tampering.

Failure to complete the challenge will be an explicit and total admission that you are spamming this forum and BI will be asked to look into whether you should be punished for abusive and/or harrassing behavior.

Well if you firemans carry a person is alot heavier than 40kg and 200m is not far.

http://www.army.mil.nz/at-a-glance/news/army-news/389/tld.htm

an RFL. This was conducted in chilly conditions on the running track at QEII

RFL G2 (Required Fitness Level - Grade 2) Run 2.4 Kms Curl-Ups Press-Ups

Male 10 Minutes 30 Seconds 60 28

Female 12 Minutes 20 SecondS 50 14

Within minutes of completing the RFL the teams changed quickly, donned field kit, and threw their FSMO onto their backs as they set off for their next task. This began with a 14 km forced pack march from QEII to the southern end of New Brighton beach.

FSMO = pack, webbing and rifle

After a 100m fireman’s carry and soldier drag it was onto the waiting transport and through the Lyttelton tunnel to Governors Bay.

http://www.army.mil.nz/careers/joining-up/fitness-planner/how-fit-do-you-have-to-be.htm

Need I say more.:D

[PuFu 4600]

Excuse me but, you don't set the agenda in this or any other forum here. His post is on topic, if you don't want your mod discussed don't start a thread for it in the AddOns & Mods Discussion forum.

you are excused, and yes, my bad

well, my POV on the topic...

further posting on the mentioned subject = no more info from the ACE dev team, as well as no more information or updates on the topic subject.

I guess that is better for you...

we'll see

go ahead and continue the endless debate about a feature you haven't even seen...

[usarmy19dsniper 0]

you are excused, and yes, my bad

well, my POV on the topic...

further posting on the mentioned subject = no more info from the ACE dev team, as well as no more information or updates on the topic subject.

I guess that is better for you...

we'll see

go ahead and continue the endless debate about a feature you haven't even seen...

Ah shucks

[b00ce 160]

I was wondering, since the tail-rotor on helicopters is deadly, is the main-rotor as well?

Imagine the possibilities.

[Fisgas 10]

you are excused, and yes, my bad

well, my POV on the topic...

further posting on the mentioned subject = no more info from the ACE dev team, as well as no more information or updates on the topic subject.

I guess that is better for you...

we'll see

go ahead and continue the endless debate about a feature you haven't even seen...

Thanks to everyone who annoyed and pressured the dev guys about something as trivial as the stamina model... Let's see you do better than them. Now we'll be in the dark until it comes out :mad:

[Lhowon 10]

Thanks to the devs for getting so worked up about something so trivial as people discussing a feature in a discussion thread, then being petty enough to threaten to withhold info because of it.

I think everyone needs to calm down a little. This is a thread discussing a mod, posts here are in no way "pressuring" the ACE devs, they are welcome to pay attention or to ignore as they please. That they seem to take every post personally isn't the fault of the posters.

I eagerly await the "you've done it now, no more info" childishness.

[usarmy19dsniper 0]

that didn't take long

[subs17 9]

Thanks to the devs for getting so worked up about something so trivial as people discussing a feature in a discussion thread, then being petty enough to threaten to withhold info because of it.

I think everyone needs to calm down a little. This is a thread discussing a mod, posts here are in no way "pressuring" the ACE devs, they are welcome to pay attention or to ignore as they please. That they seem to take every post personally isn't the fault of the posters.

I eagerly await the "you've done it now, no more info" childishness.

No ones pressuring anyone if anything the person who made that statement is overeacting. Its good to discuss features and ideas because normally there is positive outcomes when good ideas are talked about. Sure enough there is people who have knowledge on some things related to this and thats why some opinions like my own won't change on such things. I've seen a similar situation on another forum regarding Blackouts in aircraft where players were blacking out at 5g and if you spoke to F-16 pilots they would say that it was modeled off someone unfit as well since most F-16 pilots take their aircraft upto 9gs but then you have other factors and modelling g has its own fatigue factor as well. And ideas were kicked around but the good thing is that by discussing it everyone had a better idea of what was involved and guys were trying to find ways to model ATGSM! I can just imagine if someone wanted to take this further it would involve VR and a treadmill.:D

[Inkompetent 0]

People have constantly been taking a piss at the blackouts with very little constructive feedback. It has been like 20 pages of repeated banter, and when the devs say that they have made a new stamina system and scrapped the old one NO ONE listens. What the hell did you think would happen?

That they would hug you for filling the thread with pointless shit? Maybe one page total if summing up the posts of the last twenty is reasonably constructive.

Complaining about something that doesn't even exist anymore is NOT constructive. ArmA Forums - Episode 1: The 4chan Menace.

[PuFu 4600]

Thanks to the devs for getting so worked up about something so trivial as people discussing a feature in a discussion thread, then being petty enough to threaten to withhold info because of it.

That was my POV...and that wasn't a threat in any form, just a reality. Believe me, no one got worked up, it is just that there is no reason to follow up a thread where there is a lot of discussing about only one feature, that you haven't even seen, for the last 20 so pages, sometimes going really of topic and using unreliable references that can't be backed up...

It has been answered before that the black-outs are being looked over, even if the system is already different now; there is even a feedback point started on DH based on it...No one is being defensive here, you have already been explained by echo what was the point of how the ACE1 system has been done..

Obviously, you can post whatever you feel like as long as it is on the subject, but you are dancing on the wrong music, and after a while, i doubt anyone will one follow this thread just to read the same thing all over again, and maybe pick up 2 or 3 post out of 20 pages with real info or questions that you might want a answer for

[Tonci87 163]

I was wondering, since the tail-rotor on helicopters is deadly, is the main-rotor as well?

Imagine the possibilities.

Would be like in GTA4. Was fun to clean the Pavewalk.

No one is going to upload this Youtube Video? Shame on you ;-)

[NoRailgunner 0]

Just some question:

If & how ACE2 AI will use (or be aware of) all those nice features eg. crew served weapons, grenades, backblast, overpressure, rucksack system, tailrotors and many others?

Are you testing ACE2 only in/for MP missions or also in/for SP?

Is it possible to play Arma2 with ACE2 all non-ACE2 missions/missions created without addons?