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[sparks50 0]

"Safe mode"(double click ctrl) also for pistols now?

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/4-arma2_preview_hwupgrade_it_april_5.jpg

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Edited April 28, 2009 by sparks50

[maddogx 13]

"At ease" animation(double click ctrl) also for pistols now?

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/4-arma2_preview_hwupgrade_it_april_5.jpg

http://www.armaholic.com/datas/users/4-arma2_preview_hwupgrade_it_april_3.jpg

Doesn't look much like an "at ease" animation to me. Wouldn't that be pointing the gun downward, if not holstering it?

[Deathstruck 375]

No, they just finally decided to bring back the "relaxed" animation for pistol xD

[sparks50 0]

Maddog: you have to consider that the only current alternative in Armed Assault is what looks from the outside like aggressively aiming through the ironsights constantly.

A "holster pistol" action in the action menu would be a welcome addition to this new animation, for pilots and officers far away from any action.

Edited April 28, 2009 by sparks50

[Thunderbird 0]

The 'Destruction' physics represent a complex aspect of the game, I admit it.

But BIS can make a step further by getting their poseidon engine with its current status get a step further by completely modifying the way the system behaves.

Obviously, the time factor can't let such a modification get carried out within the next incoming days, as it is quite major, but I guess this could be done later.

However, my pessimistic side says me that getting this done, will require the entire modification of the engine, in oder words: The Engine Basis.

And we can't envisage to see this soon, at least, not with ArmA II.

But after 7 years, I can't deny that I got used to the 'falling-down' walls, heh

Regards,

TB

[BLSmith2112 0]

Well thunder they did say it took like 3 weeks or a month for one of their designers actually make a single building have more than one damage model/destructible. I'm assuming it'll be a verrrry long (+5 years at least) while before any sort of new engine/overhaul is done to the engine itself before things like destruction are a walk in the park. This is of course assuming they continue to work on public military simluator games like OFP/Arma. As Suma did say in a radio interview he wanted to branch out and try different things other than military simulators.

[someboy 0]

Nice looking desctruction physics might be feasible and even "easy" to implement in single player games or multiplayer with very small maps and small number of players. Implementing it in a game such as ArmA2 with a large scale map and a large multiplayer count could require simply to much bandwith to work properly. So... which feature do you pick?

[froggyluv 2136]

"I would expect a 6 year old to get sucked in by advertising/marketing hype"

there are countries where lies in advertisment can be punished, for example "walking Barbie doll" was forbidden, cause she cannot walk alone, as i remember in Russia law about adv. is very strong and there were protests about such kind of commercial in west too ?

in my country there is a low that obey market advertisment to write about conditions of some issues not shown clearly (so called "small letters" about credits percentage, cost of call etc.) and for example on cigaretes box you have written "kills and causes cancer" on 30% of box, althought i think lies should be treated harder by law

i am sure that in America individual can sue someone if he lies too

"I can only assume you dont watch much tv" < no i don't watch TV at all except 1 channel - Discovery Channel and i always turn off when commercial brake is :) there is no tv set in my room

people raised in East have other attitude to "true" than people growned on marketing-West, maybe thats why we had so much problems in 90's where many fraudant cheated people for money in "private banks" - we growned in other culture when it comes to your "western kind of marketing" and sense of words like "truth, lie", but now many of them are on cementary killed by unknown persons :)

if they call it ultimate military simulator, than i demand:

T80 for Russians, AK74 instead of AK107, NSV on T72, M40 for USMC, working bulletproof vests and etc.

Come now mate, sorry but your just being silly. Your 'Walking Barbie' analogy besides being curiously scary, is just flat out wrong. If ARMA2 had said "The Ultimate Military Simulator featuring -T80 for Russians, AK74 instead of AK107, NSV on T72, M40 for USMC, working bulletproof vests", you'd be right but they didn't. To say something is the best or the Ultimate is purely subjective and thereby presents no basis for false claim.

I'm curious how your stores advertise in Eastern Europe, "Miro's Pretty Good Pizza"; "Stephan's Better than Most Coffee"...

[Scrub 0]

Thanks Sparks50 for getting this thread back on topic ;)

Would be interesting to know what that stance is, and if you need to use it with the civilians in the RPG element of the game (not point the gun in their face)

[W0lle 1052]

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or is it a joke ? they call it ultimate military simultor, so i can expect military simulator, not box with cover "peaches and grapes inside" and cheap apples after opening

if such thing is for real, not as joke.... than all my crytics should shut up

if it is called ultimate realistic military simulator, than it should be such like

Vilas, this is the very last time now we tolerate your constant BIS bashing here. And nothing else it is when you call ArmA2 a joke because of the advertising used.

The next time you're bashing BIS, flaming or spamming any thread here with your constant whining and complaining you get a long nice vacation to cool down. Just because you can do some stuff in O2 means not you're an addon making god now that can judge all and everyone.

It's enough now, really. If you're so unhappy with everything it's maybe better you move on and find something else to play with.

if they call it ultimate military simulator, than i demand:

T80 for Russians, AK74 instead of AK107, NSV on T72, M40 for USMC, working bulletproof vests and etc.

You can demand whatever you want, if you get it - that's another story.

You can do all that when the modding tools are out. Most of the things you complain about are irrelevant, just nitpicking so you have something to complain about.

If you are bored and have nothing else to do, find yourself something but stop spamming the forums with your laughable and pointless complaints.

[cm 0]

I'm curious how your stores advertise in Eastern Europe, "Miro's Pretty Good Pizza"; "Stephan's Better than Most Coffee"...

Hahahahahahha:D

[Shadow NX 1]

These last few pages again are one of the reason i stopped visiting this thread as often as i used too.

This constant -and in most cases not even based on anything- bashing of a game that isnt even released yet so i assume noone of the bashers did play it is just annoying.

I said it once i said it twice... and for another time

If you arent satisfied with a product of a company and think the next one will be similar and also dont satisfy you then follow your instinct and dont buy this new product...simple as that.

Anyone still wonders why a certain mod team broke up? ;)

[Potatomasher 0]

Yeah i'm annoyed too about this behauviour. I come to this thread in a hope of finding new info and videos about Arma2 and instead i have to read 5 pages of OT BS.

[Raphier 0]

My god, this is like 'The Great Press War' been here for awhile...

[dmakatra 1]

This thread should be separated into two threads: New Press Info Announcements and New Press Info Discussion. Perhaps make that three threads, making the third one "Bitching of the New Press Info".

[ScorpionGuard 10]

Thunderbird is right, BIS always mixed and missed/messed US Army and US Marine Corps

first example was Arma 1 :

US Army (ACU) had: AH1Z, M240G instead of Apache, AH64, M240B, proper helmet,

now USMC in Arma2 will have: M24 instead of M40, now Arma1 model of M240 is good, cause infantry version has heat covers - it should be in Arma 1

special forces won't have all those USP and such kind newest weapons,

but as i read - USMC don't have any A10

so once again we have US Marmix (Marines-Army-Mix)

i am not US-expert, but about east side i have better knowledge , it is messed totaly now , as in Arma 1 they were quite realistic (AK74, PKM, RPG7) , now i see mess like: oldest 1972 RPG-18 along with newest and not used AK107, AKS74U with wrong silencer, lack of Kiparis or new pistols, BTR90, T90 instead of BTR70 or 80 and T80

of course BIS should focus on things moders cannot fix, but belive me - fixing wrong machinegun on tank, fixing wrong AK model is not big job - but would close mouths of people like me - who see "military realism" words on DVD-box and expect it inside this box

i am totally confused - how they do VBS, if they show such lack of knowledge about military issues (they are super artists when it comes to graphics)

or VBS is worked by other people ? other BIS ?

I have stated this before. And I agree. If you are going to state that the game/simulation is based on real world military equipment and structure. Why would you do the opposite in the programming of the product. By doing this. You can turn some buyer away. It’s called false advertisement here in the US. The information says one thing to get you to buy it. An than when you open the product. It does another thing. Bad press when it comes to this. But being raised military; and knowing military infomation. I find it hard to understand how BIS get it so wrong when working with military contracts. Even do the community will corrected are added the proper items. It still sadden me about the product that I love so much.

Edited April 28, 2009 by ScorpionGuard

[W0lle 1052]

... It’s called false advertisement here in the US. The information says one thing to get you to buy it. An than when you open the product. It does another thing...

False Advertising? That is, sorry the biggest BS I've seen here except the usual vilas whining. Where is it false advertising because there is an A-10 in the game?

How certain people here judge a product they haven't used yet by just looking at screenshots and videos is hilarious.

"An than when you open the product. It does another thing"... as in what? Promising you a military simulator and then turning into a Walt Disney adventure or what?

Nowhere it says that ArmA2 is a 100% realistic USMC Simulator - only then you could talk about false advertising!

OK so there is an A-10 ingame, you ever heard about joint operations? Why is it so absurd that an A-10 is flying air support for the USMC?

Alright, possible you find the A-10 under USMC->Air in the Editor, so what? You don't really expect them to create another fraction (USAF) which then just contains the A-10 so the very last nitpicker stops whining?

[NeMeSiS 11]

'Ultimate' is subjective, if BI thinks it is then they can write it on the box, then you can either agree or disagree with it but thats about it.

[Maio 293]

Nowhere it says that ArmA2 is a 100% realistic USMC Simulator - only then you could talk about false advertising!

Exactly!

And let's think a little here . Did BIS say : "We are going to sim conflict X that took place in country Y to the littlest detail " ?

NO ! It's a fictional conflict in a fictional country . And besides that it's in the near future , so anything can happen , starting from Russia adopting the AK 107 as it's main AR .

Lets get this thread back on topic :)

Edited April 28, 2009 by Maio

[trunkz jr 0]

I say make people stick on topic to the discussion on the Latest Press Coverage Topic, nothing worse then having to read new pages of no new anything and ppl off topic. :lecture:

[ScorpionGuard 10]

False Advertising? That is, sorry the biggest BS I've seen here except the usual vilas whining. Where is it false advertising because there is an A-10 in the game?

How certain people here judge a product they haven't used yet by just looking at screenshots and videos is hilarious.

"An than when you open the product. It does another thing"... as in what? Promising you a military simulator and then turning into a Walt Disney adventure or what?

Nowhere it says that ArmA2 is a 100% realistic USMC Simulator - only then you could talk about false advertising!

OK so there is an A-10 ingame, you ever heard about joint operations? Why is it so absurd that an A-10 is flying air support for the USMC?

Alright, possible you find the A-10 under USMC->Air in the Editor, so what? You don't really expect them to create another fraction (USAF) which then just contains the A-10 so the very last nitpicker stops whining?

Ok. Tell my how does the A-10 fit in this scenario. The USMC have there own Close Air Support. Why would they need the Air Force to move resources for this scenario? Another point. Person outside of the military understandable don't know how it works. Don't know the Marine Corp is an integrated force. When the Marine Corps work with the Army:

The Marine Corps combat capabilities in some ways overlap those of the United States Army, the latter having historically viewed the Corps as encroaching on the Army's capabilities and competing for funding, missions, and renown. The attitude dates back to the founding of the Continental Marines, when General George Washington refused to allow the initial Marine battalions to be drawn from among his Continental Army. Most significantly, in the aftermath of World War II, Army efforts to restructure the American defense establishment included the dissolution of the Corps and the folding of its capabilities into the other services. Leading this movement were such prominent Army officers as General Dwight D. Eisenhower and Army Chief of Staff George C. Marshall.[34] While the rivalry is still present today, most Marines and Soldiers adopt a more cooperative attitude when operating jointly. Doctrinally, Marines focus on being expeditionary and independent, while the Army tends more toward overwhelming force with a large support element. The emphasis on mobility and combined arms makes the Marine Corps a much lighter force than the Army. The Marine Corps maintains a larger percentage of its personnel and assets in the combat arms (infantry, artillery, armor, and close air support) than the Army. However, the Army maintains much larger and diverse armor, artillery, ground transport, and logistics forces, while the Marines have a larger and more diverse aviation arm, which is usually organic to the MAGTF. Marines tend to have better cohesion as an expeditionary unit, as well as being completely amphibious.

Air Force:

While the majority of Marine aviation assets ultimately derive from the Navy, some support is drawn from the United States Air Force. The Marine Corps also makes extensive use of the Air Mobility Command to airlift Marines and equipment around the globe.

This is where I drop it. And i will enjoy ArmA 2. And make mod just as the community will. To corrected the items ingame. May You Have Peace in you Life.

Edited April 28, 2009 by ScorpionGuard

[Sniperwolf572 758]

Guys, remain ontopic, this thread is already dedicated to discussions about realism, suspension of disbelief, nuts, bolts, screws, welds and whatnot, so feel free to discuss such things there.

#thread Latest ArmA2 Press Coverage

[aradesh 10]

I'm sorry to say that the problem of arma and probably arma2 is the community itself, most of the modders are looking for the "perfect" military simulator of their own country in all his details from the REAL bolt in a car radio to the REAL color of the ammobox... totally weird.

The Community has divided all the players into small squads- you're not allowed to play online here or there because of this or that. What you wanna do as a newbie? Trying to connect to a game...

the most important thing is the mode you play online, not (only) how realistic the tank or other objects are looking.

there is a very small number of big missions or modes for the mainstream to play online, warfare, domination, evo - that's it.

I don't care about all the real army-shit worldwide, most of the mods are nice to have not more, i'm sorry. if someone thinks its cool to shoot fingers and legs off because of realism-really sad! whats next? real torture scenes? real genocide-scripts?

please get a REAL LIFE!

ARMA IS A GAME...not a "who has the biggest-simulator"...

my RESPECT to those who are really making the game better with fair discussions, !missions!(EVO,DOM,CTI,Warfare), sounds, overall graphic effects etc. and hey, i know that some things in ARMA is the problem of BIS...

21 gun salutes

[ScorpionGuard 10]

I'm sorry to say that the problem of arma and probably arma2 is the community itself, most of the modders are looking for the "perfect" military simulator of their own country in all his details from the REAL bolt in a car radio to the REAL color of the ammobox... totally weird.

The Community has divided all the players into small squads- you're not allowed to play online here or there because of this or that. What you wanna do as a newbie? Trying to connect to a game...

the most important thing is the mode you play online, not (only) how realistic the tank or other objects are looking.

there is a very small number of big missions or modes for the mainstream to play online, warfare, domination, evo - that's it.

I don't care about all the real army-shit worldwide, most of the mods are nice to have not more, i'm sorry. if someone thinks its cool to shoot fingers and legs off because of realism-really sad! whats next? real torture scenes? real genocide-scripts?

please get a REAL LIFE!

ARMA IS A GAME...not a "who has the biggest-simulator"...

my RESPECT to those who are really making the game better with fair discussions, !missions!(EVO,DOM,CTI,Warfare), sounds, overall graphic effects etc. and hey, i know that some things in ARMA is the problem of BIS...

21 gun salutes

You are aware that the majority of people here are community. Are will be. And BIS has incorporated a lot of the community ideas into the game. So you can bad mouth about the community if you wish. But without the Community. BIS would not have grown in the public arena. .

And where the hell do you get off painting military personal as suck people

Love and Happiness to all

Dropped. Back on Topic.

[Johnnie_Walker 0]

These last few pages again are one of the reason i stopped visiting this thread as often as i used too.

I used to waste a lot of time reading a lot of nonsense, now I mostly only read posts which provide a link, usually the ones with news.