Vilas' addons

[manzilla 1]

guys what you are discussing is actually against the agreements with BI in the moddeling programs released by BI and also in the rules for the forums no moddeler is to recieve payment on any works done for mods to be released to the public

I made it very clear in my posts that I was fully aware of the legality issue, and thus ethically could not even consider such a thing.

It started as an overstated, and eccentric method of praise for the project 1985 crew. But I took it too far when I replied to anothers reply. I thought I made that fairly clear as well. Composition was never my strong suit though.

[miles teg 1]

Shit I'm sorry.... I didn't realize that the rule included donations. I thought that the BIS policy only meant "Pay to play" type addons would violate their policy. Damn I need to read the policy more carefully. Anyhoo...I'll post my questions on another more appropriate thread concerning that.

Anyhoo....so far so good on the Vilas Mod stuff. All you guys are kicking serious ass and are really laying some massive groundwork for the ArmA community. My one suggestion....please preserve photoshop files in the PBO that will keep all the layers and stuff that will be included in the addons when de-PBO'ed. This is because your models and textures are amazing and can be used for a million variations for all kinds of different countries (kinda like the HYK infantry in OFP).

In other words, all of you guys involved with the Vilas Mod and associated mods, are the spearhead of ArmA addon making when it comes to infantry. If freely shared with the ArmA community, it will launch dozens more addons and mods that will greatly expand the ArmA world.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[roberthammer 582]

Dear ONI ,

That M16A1 with M203 is not Vilas , its Skaven's or RH , i know that attach is unrealistic ,but that time i haven't got time to rework it to be real , that's all

Sry for offtopic

[vilas 477]

concerning M203 :

NSXr made screen with Robert Hammer or maybe Skaven weapon pack (i don't know whose is this M16A1) - this is not my M16A1 (he do many screens with RHS pack too)

so this has nothing to do with my M16A1 and M203 that i use on my A1 which is pasted BIS model of launcher:P

but i can only ask NSXr to make screens with weapons from my weapon pack :P

concerning payment - Project 85 was planned to be "few addons + some missions", but joining of Thunderbird changed all into MOD

but will be "mod" like any other MODs made by community

FOR FUN and JOY ONLY !

addons are 99% ready - now we are working on "informatical" site of project

and i think - fun from it is for me biggest reward

p.s.

ooo i saw post of Robert now

p.s.2

XM-148 will be added to AR-15 as i will rework my old NAM-era addon with Stoners and etc.

[Shadow NX 1]

Project 85 was planned to be "few addons + some missions", but joining of Thunderbird changed all into MOD

Just as planned, Har Har Har *Makes Dr.Evil gesture*

[vilas 477]

... and maybe we will have new island too

looking at Topas screens you see new buildings ...

i hope it will work

yes - Thunderbird changed all completly

without him it would be only infantry+weapons+vehicless addon :P

[Dr.Rebus 0]

Damn all these units look FANTASTIC!

When approximately a release or a beta release?

[Shadow NX 1]

Far to many things arent 100% clear yet so we cant even give a rough release date.

There should be a demo though.

[NSX 8]

Bigger version, one piece

Updated textures of Kenji's T80. Awaiting for interiors, new tracks and 21-angular sight glass.

[LordNeuro*Serbia* 0]

Wooow. Great news. So will have thise gr8 addon roling on our comps wery soon. Fantastic. Only the best words 4 u guys. U diong hell of a good job. All the best 4 all on thise project.

[NSX 8]

2 LordNeuro

Don't know how soon it will roll your computer, cause as Shadow NX clarified there're too much things still unfinished. Even this T-80 needs a hell lot of work, not to say we still need to fix soldiers and add Su-25, BTR-70 and other vehicles.

[echo1 0]

EDIT: Nevermind this post.

[Supernova 0]

Nope. They appear to be retextured BIS Mi-17's without rocket pods. Mi-2 idea sounds great especially for NVA

[echo1 0]

And sure enough they are, my fault for not looking at the large size picture

[NSX 8]

@Universal

@ch_123

Sometimes I think world goes mad. It's vanilla BIS heli. Not retextured. Not Mi-2 (which is helicopter for civil or no combat aviation).

Quote[/b] ]my fault for not looking at the large size picture

Or yeah, especially when "large size" is bigger than splitted just on 100 pixels wide.  

[echo1 0]

Blame tiredness and multitasking Anyway, my random moments of stupidity are OT... Good work as usual

[wld427 1705]

i was erely suggesting that BIS was missing out on an opportunity to have these guys join thier team as employees and release the add ons as expansion packs. If BIS put more expansion packs out i would buy them especially if they covered different genre o combat. Lie say P1985 pack, NATO pack, China pack, Korea Pack, Falklands... on and on.

Thanks P1985 team for doing this MOD. I can't wait to play it

[miles teg 1]

That is one idea...but then no one would ever make free addons if they were even slightly good.  They would be working to form addon packs and begging BIS to buy them from them.  So you would end up with a dozens or so expansion packs and not much of a MOD community.   BIS would have to centralize distribution of addon making and there would be a HUGE amount of legal problems for ANYONE who released stuff for free based upon the addon packs.  

What you would end up is a highly competitive dog eat dog environment.   I personally prefer that they just allow mods to take "donations" as long as all addons are free and they are not profitting directly off of the addons themselves.

At any rate.... maybe you have money... but not all of us can afford to buy dozens of expansion packs.   I know if BIS decided to make all addon packs approved by them licensed expansion packs it would open a pandoras box of legal fighting and utterly destroy the addon making community.

So please lets not bring that up.  Not all of us believe in pure capitalist "Survival of the Fittest" social darwinism.  Some of us have ethics and I hope very much that BIS has a business plan that includes good business practices and profits balanced with ethics and a long term approach to business that a continuously growing community bound by loyalty and a sense of real community.

If they wish to experiment with different business models, I hope they that they experiment with a different product line.  In a way that is what the VBS franchise is. High quality, but licensed addons.   It is also a massive legal pain in the ass for BIS even if it is profitable.  I know that from past experiences with ambiguities over VBS vs. OFP material.

Balance, decent profit, and pride in a good product and a good community of loyal fans is what I hope drives BIS.

Their release of MLOD's and their license terms I believe exemplifies that attitude. Lets please not try to get them to screw that up.

By the way, if your mod team is talented, BIS and affiliated companies can and will hire you and/or your team. But they already have large teams of addon makers who are perfectly capable of doing just about any expansion pack they wish. Personally I'm not going to buy any more expansion packs after the Queen's Gambit disappointment if all they are is just a few extra addons and a new campaign/missions.

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Sergei_Q 0]

Re: some of the posts before,

AFAIK there certainly are no restrictions to making voluntary donations to any modders. Note the difference between making a voluntary donation and paying for an add-on.

Any add-on made with BIS tools has to be provided free of charge to the public, but we fans may still offer complimentary beers/apartments/bullion as we wish.

This on AFAIK basis, of course - I'm not a lawyer.

[vilas 477]

PROJECT'85 TOPIC

I decided to start topic there, because it is too big mess

Project'85 is MOD dedicated to 1985 year

my other addons are dedicated to many other eras and areas

so here i would like to inform about updates or releases of my  addons such as : Polish army and police, bandits, Alien movie stuff, NAM-era, WW2-era, weapon or vehicles packs

thanx

[Halochief89 0]

Love to replace the BIS M1A1 with your one mind telling me how I can change or overwrite the BIS armor to your specifications Vil?

[blackgrain 0]

Vilas!!! I need your help.. or somebody can help me??

About 2WW units... in singleplayer I can launch grenades without problems... but in multiplayer I can´t use grenades, I have grenades in my inventory.. but I can´t change to this "weapon" for launch... why??

Nothing script, a simple mission whith Editor, new mission, put the 2WW soldier and go... in singleplayer ok.. but in multiplayer I can´t launch grenades!!

Any help!!!

[vilas 477]

to throw grenade there is defined new "throw" ability

honestly - i had no idea it is not working in MP

maybe BIS made something as anti-cheat and it treats my "throw ability" as cheating

[blackgrain 0]

to throw grenade there is defined new "throw" ability

honestly - i had no idea it is not working in MP

maybe BIS made something as anti-cheat and it treats my "throw ability" as cheating

ooooh... bad news... then???.. no solutions?? ... damm!! your new 2ww units are very very good lock!! ooooh.. bad bad bad news... I will return to the first version of soldiers... aarrrgggh... I don´t want!!

Anyway... thanks Vilas! thanks for your work!

[blackgrain 0]

More bad news Vilas...

When you use the init field of the 2ww unit for call to scripts... as:

[this] exec "something.sqs"

Don´t work in multiplayer... in singleplayer no problem... but in MP the call never execute...

May be... your last version of 2ww units... is not MP compatible??

############### EDIT #################

Well Vilas... good news

If I put grenades with script it works!!... removeAllWeapons.. and addWeapon and addMagazine ... and I can launch grenades

All this is very very strange bug... and the init field bug only works the first execution of the misión... the next re-load don´t work...

Good... by the way... I have solved the problem

Thanks!