OFP Vs Arma SP Campaign

[BloodOmen 0]

Well its your preference, your entilted to it.

Personally i rather have characters who get into the story, and yeah ofpforum, kozwloski,lukin,troska, those names were damn sweet, really suited the game, dunno how but it did

Again, CWC & Resistance Rearmed is going to kick some ass if its made correctly

[Stealth3 0]

I believe its Gavstosky (sp). Anyway Im pretty sure its with a G.

Anyway I agree with you all that the OFP campaign is a blockbuster while the ARMA campaign is a lackluster.

Its pretty obvious very different people worked on the campaigns. It makes one wonder if it was Codemasters who indeed pushed quality into the OFP campaign.

Edit 1. Its Gastovski http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Flashpoint

[twisted 128]

I stopped playing the campaign on mission 2 where you're sent alone with an AT4 to wreak havoc behind enemy lines. Whoever the mission-designers were, they should look up the meanings of "immersion" and "realism" in a dictionary.

i agree. that's to me the biggest point - if its combat simulation then make the campaign and missions in a realistic setting and with same odss and situations as in a real life conflict.

But then with OFP i found the user made missions and campaigns greater than the offical ones (specifically Retaliation and PMC FURY and a few others) and never got around to completing the official campaigns as good as they were. But they were great.

[blackdog~ 0]

I was really disappointed with the ArmA campaign... would have preferred the traditional format... hated the way one had to complete the same mission three times as a different person on the battlefield... ruined the fun and motivation to complete the campaign for me...

[CameronMcDonald 146]

Hmmm. Armed Assault's campaign was horrible, I hated it. Thank god we can make our own.

[NeMeSiS 11]

I believe its Gavstosky (sp).  Anyway Im pretty sure its with a G.

I ment the 'Have you filled your shorts Kowzloski' (when you land on everon with a chopper)

'Like i said, you are a nutcase kowzloski', when you are in the back of a truck and kowzloski starts talking about his love for the m16 ('the m16a2 blabla, perfectly balanced and only weighs 5 pounds, how can you not love it?'

Not the special forces guy

And hey, the fact that i still remember (part of) those conversations show how much they ment (to me) for the atmosphere.

[Stealth3 0]

I see, my bad then.

Well it was great for the atmosphere.

[G3pard 0]

I believe its Gavstosky (sp).  Anyway Im pretty sure its with a G.

I ment the 'Have you filled your shorts Kowzloski' (when you land on everon with a chopper)

'Like i said, you are a nutcase kowzloski', when you are in the back of a truck and kowzloski starts talking about his love for the m16 ('the m16a2 blabla, perfectly balanced and only weighs 5 pounds, how can you not love it?'

Not the special forces guy

And hey, the fact that i still remember (part of) those conversations show how much they ment (to me) for the atmosphere.

that say´s it all, the OFP campain was made with love. the arma one looks like wuickly drewn together by an amateur

[Sc@tterbrain 0]

The campaign was pathetic.

-To get to the end I had to use the old ofp cheats to end the mission when I had killed everyone/completed all the objectives and the triggers didnt' work.

-Muchos bugos.

-Storyline. Was it written on a cocktail napkin? And near the end what was that twist that goes nowhere? Half-ass, the hole thing.

[Seraph 0]

Bloodomen,

unfortunatly you are absolutly right with that what you have

written. I bought ArmA at 30.11.06 and was so disapointed

about the campaign.

The fact that I bought ArmA was that I was totally impressed

by the Flashpoint campaign and expected something new

special.

I only played three missions of the ArmA campaign.

Where are all the scripts they made for Flashpoint, the

athmosphere and the drive - I name the ArmA campaign just

loveless.

But I hope that BIS will modify the game, all of it, to that what

Flashpoint was and is.

I really hope ... Seraph

Edit: With this game it is a love-hate relationship ... at BIS,

high expectations generate high sensibility.

Please take steps.

[sluggCDN 0]

I played through OFP's campaign 3 years ago. What really kept me in the OFP realm was the MF CTI mod where you can have a brand new conquest campaign everytime you play. It all comes down to clearing cities of enemies. Using the phrase from Blackhawk Down - the moment a bullet goes over your head politics go right outta the window.

In my opinion the character development in Cold War Crisis was just a crock of shit - the most rediculous script with cheesy political agenda twist to it, predictible and unoriginal. You know, in the last two years we really had a chance to see what the real meaning of the "Fight of Good vs. Evil" is. Iraq is the main example. I actual would give BIS thumbs up for not making yet another "Bad Ruskies vs. Good Yankees" cheese fest. It now looks more like the Americans make a bad decision siding with a corrupt political regime/monarchy that in the end turns against its benefactor and bits him in the ass. Very realistic - again the real world example could be CIA support of the revolution in Iraq which was led by Saddam who later became USA worst enemy. Again CWC campaign story was done really slopy, I saw better full-conversion mods done my modding community. Detachment from the character is good - I personally don't like playing a heavily brainwashed grunt...

[k1ng 0]

I didnt like the Arma campaign... as far as i know in most games anyways if their is a single player campaign you will play a 1 or a couple of characters who go against it all and live (or die) at the very end.

Arma doesnt have this you are just a random all the time their is no introduction of who you (or your multiple characters) are in my opinion i dont liek team switch in the campaign you should be playing as oneman not 9 in a group.

Ofp CWC was alot more realistic such as the second mission i think it was. you clear out a town but sadly have to fallback due to a large platoon of t80s comming over the hill in real life who would actually stay?? and the routine patrols/guard duty that you did one or two of in the CWC campaign really added an atmosphere to the campain reminding you that you were a soldier doing soldiers tasks. not some uber trooper on the front constantly pwning commies!

although Arma has much much better graphics than OFP i find that OFP is still actually a better game for single player activities however i am expecting Arma to get much better over the year with the updates and such

[mattxr 9]

Operation Flashpoint: Cold War FTW!!!

ArmA campaign was crap.. it had nothing too it..

[5133p39 16]

The old OFP:CWC campaign was far better than what we got in the ArmA.

And i am not talking about the background of the campaigns - i am not saying i want another Cold War scenario, that's not what i want.

What i mean is: where is the ArmA's Armstrong? and Kozlovski? and other characters?

...i am not saying that i want the old characters back, but you got my point - there is absolutely nothing which will allow the player to believe to anything what is happening in the ArmA campaign, everything is so flat, frigid, and sterile.

You even feel that when you go over the next little hill, you will see that the world around you is EMPTY (because the game won't let you to forget that you are playing a game) - i had this feeling in all of the ArmA missions, but in old OFP i sometimes felt a tension of not knowing what is hiding behind another hill, town, or forest.

I think that ArmA campaign is VERY POORLY elaborated.

...and don't talk to me about realism. If you insist, then realism is also that you are there - the feeling that it's like you are there, that you aren't playing a game - without this, there is nothing such as realism.

So don't try to convince me, that the ArmA campaign is good only because it has some very minor similarity with the real world events like in Iraq, or anywhere else.

What we got is an MP game with a few boring SP missions (in this sense of words, i wouldn't be afraid to compare it to Battlefield 2), and that is sad - i think everyone expected more than that.

[aus_twisted 0]

If I had never played OFP CWC, Resistance and ArmA and then had the opportunity to play all the campaigns in a close time frame OFP CWC and Resistance would easily come out on top for me especially if you were a offline player who enjoyed campaigns and single player missions.

[Abbe 0]

Realy not sure how this game will be looked upon regarding non-Ofp players...I mean, we Opf players know what the comunity will do for this game but out of the box!?! Sorry to say, can't realy suggest anyone to buy this game...for a long time yet...unless some patches comes along and changes things around...

Guess you got my opinion, all campaigns (almost all usermade as well) are better then ArmA...sorry BIS!

/Abbe

[Lustypooh 0]

I agree. AA SP campaign (and included missions) are plain awful. Some of the missions rank lower than the cheesiest fan missions. Gee, how many times do I need to be a truck driver?? BORING

At least in OFP we had some good SP missions to play through before fans came out with some quality missions.

AA kinda feels like my PS3. Great system but I got to wait months before I can play anything that really shows off the system

[MassDriver 0]

Quote[/b] ]Personally in my eyes, Operation Flashpoint: Cold War was far better than Armed Assault, for these reasons:

- The Storyline was far more developed

- Alot more missions

- Alot more interesting twists

- Better Characthers

- Better Storyline Interaction

- Better Beginning & Ending Movies

Why i didnt like ArmA's Campaign compared to OFP:CW

- It was way too short

- It had a terrible ending & Beginning

- Nothing was explained in the storyline ( Wont say anymore, due to spoilers)

- Characters werent devloped at all.

- Missions were too short and sudden

- Everything was far too plain....

Now give us your view

This *is* my view . You've said most of it. Other issues have been pointed to in this thread, like:

- few realistic missions, if at all (e.g. regardless of the orders, sending a simple soldier somewhere in *alone* to take down 2/3 of the enemy's forces is ridiculous; there really should have been at least two people sometimes, or one should have been designated as a type of special forces combat specialist, and even these would at least pair up in teams when it's just narrowed down to heavy engagements - and even then, why so early on? it's a game; it should be like a good movie with oneself taking part in it, one should gradually be taken into the action, not thrown into it right from the beginning without real means of orientation, except when it's part of the story, but in ArmA, it isn't)

- seemingly "artificial" missions to show some of the game's (new) properties, like blowing up bridges or entering nice new cities, swimming etc.; missions seem "forced" in general, this has been said, too

Simply said - the ArmA campaign doesn't make fun if one knows the original OFP campaign(s), which were very well made indeed.

[funnyguy1 0]

OFP: CWC > ARMA

I rate any mission from oryginal CWC higher than the missions from ArmA all together!

[Second 0]

Okay... Here it comes! ArmA's campaign was better! I'm not too fond in stories and personalities... i want WAR! And ArmA's campaign gives that + story in ArmA's campaign had very nice twist btw... Primary missions usually consentrates on massive battles. And Secondary missions were arcadish (yet guite fun) volunteer-based so there is no pressure to complete them with blood-taste in mouth (that thing totaly ruins even best story...)

CWC-campaign had nice atmosphere, even that it is best campaign (i counted all user-made campaigns too) for OFP, but it still pales to brutal and imerssive virtual war in ArmA... Half of CWC campaign's mission were something that i don't like "black-op" (aka James Bond), piloting, tanker... Blaaah. ArmA's chopper mission (Great battle) was nice for it didn't force me to stay in the chopper, and the massive battle on ground just kept me flying all-over for spectating happenings.

There was serious bugs, but i take them lightly, even those which prevent me from completing mission as there is that endmission trick.

So i seem to be those "few-and-proud" (please don't take this as flaming, take it more like a sarcastic/ironic note)

[gregorygreghalstead 0]

OFP CWC all the way! There's nothing to it and nothing can beat it.... The plot was great, the atmosphere was great and the missions were great too, just perfect except for a couple of bugs here and there

Played Arma and did this.....

[DI7789 0]

I believe this thread is absolutely right, the Cold War Crisis was much better than this bag of **** that Bohemia has presented us with, but I would like to point out one HUGE difference between ArmA and OF:CWC, Bohemia worked with Codemasters, yes you heard me, Codemasters, on CWC but they were without their help on this one, if I had one thing to say, this is nothing but a resurrected OF with a bad storyline and better (not by much however) graphics.

[Heatseeker 0]

I believe this thread is absolutely right, the Cold War Crisis was much better than this bag of **** that Bohemia has presented us with, but I would like to point out one HUGE difference between ArmA and OF:CWC, Bohemia worked with Codemasters, yes you heard me, Codemasters, on CWC but they were without their help on this one, if I had one thing to say, this is nothing but a resurrected OF with a bad storyline and better (not by much however) graphics.

CM made (and sold) the Red Hammer campaign... BIS made the resistance expantion..

If they didnt focus on a SP campaign this time its problably because time and resources had to be put on more important things, the engine .

Your statements lack credibility since you claim Arma has not much better graphics compared to OPF...

[badvok 0]

Got to put the OFP one first. Better plot and it just seemed longer. Still enjoyed the Arma one but not as good as OFP.

[Big Ofp Fan 0]

Well thats a good question.

ArmA has a new Engine/complete reworked engine but a campaign with nameless hero. Ofp is still a good game, graphics are out of date but the campaign has a good story and tells from different perspectives.

Well... I think BIS has looked, before they released/worked on the campaign for arma, to the community and has see that so much good people make good missions, good campaigns and good addons. Maybe BIS thought that the Com will add this what they want in all way's and BIS deliver just the base for that.

Ok I say the CWC stories (res included) are better than the ArmA. It tells you about the conflicts, the people, the destinies of the poeple. I feel really with the virtual poeple.

In the ArmA campaign I feel nothing, I just a soldier who runs from objective to objective between breaking news, too bad. Its now our part to do such things like in CWC