Frustrated? Don't flame, come ova'here!

[lukemax 0]

nevermind...

nevermind...

nevermind... ?

That is the biggest amount of spam ever

[DKM Jaguar 0]

nevermind...

nevermind...

nevermind... ?

That is the biggest amount of spam ever

You reply is helping? Obviously his post was edited becuase he thought better than to try to reason with you.

This topic is probably going to be locked anyway.

Much like that other one you created becuase it was spam.

[offtime 0]

there was longer post, but ive decided that its not worth to continue this litle ill flame war

and my post was part of it.

when i edited it, i wrote "nevermind" thats all.

[Charon-VW:BB- 0]

Personally i think the best push you can offer/give a mod is to go on there website, forum or whatever and write some things on or into. If the mod recognize that there are ppl who really interested into things the mod is doing they will do there best to make progress ... if there is no interested or only ppl who write only their "primitive needs" (like "i want to play with it so release it now!!!!!") the mod (team) get's unmotivated and frustrated ....

<--- oh nice a new smiley  

[DracoPaladore 0]

I've heard the phrases "Out soon!", "Release immiment!", "Very soon!" many times, and I've really just ignored it. I know it takes alot of work. I've made a few of my own, messed around with configs, and worked with some texturing. I never really got interested with it, and I can sympathize for the add on makers who sometimes have to spend weeks on a single texture.

But sometimes I hardly feel like waiting or bothering to question the release dates of a mod, because I know it'll always be the same response. "Soon", which sometimes spans the timeframe of a year, or "When its done", which leaves me not caring anymore. There are cases where I wished for a single addon, like a soldier and his guns, but have to wait for the mod team to finish a huge list of other things to do, and when they finally complete they go back to improve the old finished stuff. Understandable, you want top quality.

My suggestion to people is to ignore a mods development. Cool, pictures and stuff, but don't stick around looking at em for a long time. Don't anticipate the release, make it a surprise instead. Don't sit there anticipating the game itself, memorizing the add on list and the special features, it'll only just diminish its quality once it's in your hands. Don't expect too much because you'll just get dissapointed. Not saying that mods are aiming to dissapoint or to ignore a mod completly, but simply don't think too much about it. I44 looks awsome, so does the Vietnam one. But don't just think about it all the time.

I don't know if my message is clear enough. I'll try again. Don't wait. Instead, let the mod come out as a surprise to you. The add on makers spend a huge amount of blood, sweat, tears, and cash to make these mods complete. Sure, it's a drag to have to wait for something to come out, but if you sit and wait for it, it'll take longer. Anticipation and expectations are what really kills games these days, and it's not really different from mods. When Doom3 was coming out, people expected so much more because they anticipated so much more. I glanced at Doom 3 now and then until it came out, and the game was awsome for me but lacking for those who'd been waiting four years for it.

Is this clear? I dunno, my ability to write lately has been diminished.

[sanctuary 19]

What some people always asking for a release are failing to understand is that despite OFP is considered as a videogame, despite videogame were considered for a long time a kid hobby, a lot of people in the community are not that young anymore.

When you arrive to a certain age, your free time is considerably lowered. And this lowered free time you spend it with your family and wife, then when you have children on your own , they have the priority of free time.

Consider that working all the day is usually exhausting, add all of this and if you are smart enough you can maybe imagine why things can take a very lot of time to complete.

Even for those that has no family of their own yet, but are always student, at their age, you have usually important examinations to prepare, and as it can be very important for what will follow in their life, it takes another part of their free time.

And sometime those students have to work to find money to pay for the housing, the food etc.. when they are not lucky enough to have rich family to help them pay.

So remember, a lot of people in the OFP community are not that young anymore to have all the free time they want. And they have already to give a part of this free time to other domain of their life that are not OFP.

When you are creating an addon or anything for you then for the community (because at first you create things you want to create, the best way to stop is to make things you don't like), you take a part of your free time to create it.

That seems to be obvious to write that, but reading again some threads with several request for quicker release in a row leads me to think that it is not as obvious for some users there.

Then when you happen to see several people ranting because of the fact your work is not released yet, sometime you just want to stop everything.

Fortunately, you always read some kind comments, help offers or interesting views from some people, and then you continue to work on what you were creating because you know those people will enjoy the result.

And you don't care anymore of all the people ranting... Until they continue to add their non stop rant so much that you are so disgusted you want again to stop and keep your work for your own pleasure only.

So before ranting against the people making something that you will finally enjoy one day , think again or do not be surprised their work will never reach your hard drive.

I can understand the frustration sometime, when teasing screenshot and feature list can make the user to think soon is just soon, but months after months soon begins to mimic "never".

Add some Murphy to the final addtion and you will have the global result for why soonâ„¢ is not always really soonâ„¢, and be sure that even the makers of the something you are waiting for are frustrated that they can't deliver in time.

Because it means they will have to sacrify even more of their free time to finish their work, when they would love to begin the work on something different.

Of course, there are always the case of people making things for "internet fame" and finally never release anything other than screenshots.

But judging by the number of releases you can see since OFP is available to public, you can understand this case is a very very very small minority in the addon makers crowd.

When an addon is announced at 99,99% you will enjoy it one day.

Just this day is unclear, remember it and play with something different (it is not like there is no addon to play with) to help your own patience.

EDIT : there is a huge difference with asking if there is a release date and ranting because something it is not released.

Asking is harmless and totally understandable, ranting not.

[Victor_S. 0]

Ive made addons before so i under stand that it is hard work and you want to get it right. I agree that it is not right to pester the mods about when it will be done. But if a mod creates a thread to let the community see their addons, no matter what the reason for creating the thread, they should expect a response from the community. If you dont want people always asking you when it is done then dont create a thread for your mod/addon.

About the I44 thread. I think that it is not right for people to treat the I44 team that way, especially since they have given us such a great ww2 demo pack. On the other hand they should not have created the thread unless they wanted to hear how many people felt. They created a thread for their addon yet refused to give any info to talk about.

Again I havent made a major mod so I cant say about all the things that go into making a mod. I respect all the guys that are willing to give us thier great addons and I just thought I'd make a comment on all this.

[JdB 151]

Quote[/b] ]On the other hand they should not have created the thread unless they wanted to hear how many people felt.

When I open up a thread I expect people to react in a civilised manner. Aparently that is too much to ask for a part of this community...

Also requesting a releasedate when every sane human being knows that we can't give you any without making one up, that we will never be able to keep anyway, and than whining about it over 8 pages doesn't help. If the answer is no on the first page than it will most likely also be no on the last.

No mod is governed by it's fans. Also they are not in the position to make demands.

[wildo 0]

i like fans suggesting ideas though, obviously all mods (at least i hope) liek this, and also constructive critisim is greatly welcomed by me, as it helps improve the addons alot

Wildo

[BraTTy 0]

Not everyone is same.I did not recieve "harping" or demanding of addons,if people had ,I would have surely finished more.

Maybe they did some and maybe I don't look at it as harping as I can handle the public ok anyways.Nothing bothered me.

I create a Corsair out of request,addonmakers do make what they like in a sense that I like prop planes,but Corsair isn't my favorite plane.Don't get me wrong I love every prop plane but I fancy 2 seater dual role planes along the lines of the Helldiver and SBD,and with OFP's atmosphere I saw needs and my personal wants more transportation planes.

With the OFP limits and aggravation to produce a complete dual role bomber just isn't possible in OFP (mainly the tailgunner issue,whats the sense of having a larger slow flying plane without the tailgunner to make up for it)

I produce what I could at the time and I try to do better than I planned so it always takes longer than you would expect.I made what I could and wanted so much more.Disinterest and real life priorities took precedence over my hobby.

I do auto bodywork for a living and he who yells loudest gets theirs done first.The stress levels are enormous

I spent alot of time here trying to help other addonmakers so we could get more addons

[DBR_ONIX 0]

I'm not bothered about if an addons not released this second, right now because you've been working on it for years, release it now damnit!.. etc

But I really hate secrecy on this sort of level.. Really, what is is helping? Your ego? Thats about it, it doesn't f***ing help anything.

The thing with Inv44 maybe not releasing anything really got me, I mean why not release the stuff? (or even lead the community, which you completly and unterly need, if you are a mod/addon maker, to belive something like this?).

So instead of saying "When it's done", say how much work you have to do, if you say "When it's done", or you tell them "We have to model x, y and z, rework the top of w, fiddle with the config values for a, get a few people to test it and then we'll release it", which gets more rants? Yes, it's the being open one..

Dont keep smart people in the dark, or they have a good place to attack from

- Ben

Oh, before anyone jumps to the conclusion I dont know how much work it takes to complete a mod, jump back, I do

[Garcia 0]

What I really hate is seeing some ppl that seems to think the MOD teams owns the community something. Like when BAS decided to stop making addons until OFP2. Loads of ppl was like "F**k you! You s**k! Why don't you finish the SEALs". Also with ECP, some ppl seem to think the ECP team owns the community to release the addons. They don't appreciate the work they are doing. When a MOD team says "We feel it's time to stop now. Most members don't got time anymore" ppl should accept it and thank them for their great work, not like when BAS stopped. I bet about 1/10 of the post in that thread was ppl that was angry at BAS. Of course I feel it's a bit annoying that the new ECP haven't been released and that I44 show us all these great pics, but don't release anything. But I just got to accept it, and I know that if they release something now instead of tomorrow or in a week or in 5 months, it won't be as good as it can. I don't understand how ppl think when they start yelling shit at the MODs cause they don't release their addons. Just give them time and wait for the addons. Would rather have a finished good addon than a half done shitty addon...

[MATRA 0]

I like to thank ALL the addons makers that make this game with 4 years old, still enjoyable today.

I never did one addon but I can understand all the work it takes, simply because I tryed and didnt make it yet :P.

I can understand the frustration of the fans when wainting for some new cool stuff from our favorite mod, addon, etc. But many time the fault is on both sides.

As for myself, when I realy like a MOD, addon etc, my ONLY concern is:Are you guys still working? or is the mod death?

One positive answer and im on the move again and again.

[Victor_S. 0]

I dont think it is fair to say that the community is not civilized or that we are worse thatn the cs community. I believe that because of the average age group that plays this game we have the most civilized forum that Ive seen for a game. Now there may be, like in every forum, people who dont respect anyone or cannot act in a civilized manor. But for the most part though most people here do not have a problem with that.

@Lt Hunter - I understand what you are saying. If I took the time to make addons for the community I would want to hear good constructive feed back from the community. What I am saying is that there are always going to be some people that cannot control themselves(mostly the younger ones who dont produce any addons themselves), and you have to know that if you open a thread for your addon you are going to have to handle a little abuse from those people. If you cant handle it or just flat out ignore it then dont open a thread until you are ready. By the way I respect the work youve done and look forward to future things.

[ade_mcc 0]

A notable exception to this thread has been the FDF's mod, a mod that relies very little on hype or popular scenarios but has created what many describe as an essential download.

FDF let the quality of the MOD speak for themselves and manage to deliver new packages meer days after releasing intial pictures, etc.

In addition, by releasing bits and pieces contantly, very little abuse is send their way.

To sum it up, FDF seems to get it right.

Edited for clarity

[-HC-Para 0]

All mods should be released piece by piece. The only "finished addons" end up as long forgotten ones - much better to release bit by bit, fix by fix and build a community of users (testers if you will) for the work. If you don't have users for your addon or mod, it is a terrible waste of time and energy.

Personally, as an island maker, I find that I am *never happy* with my own work and constantly need to improve older work as skills improve, ideas change, etc.

I put 130,000 objects on the first Meekong. The current Meekong has under 60,000 - but looks, works and runs much nicer! Every single mission ever made using this addon will benefit from the changes and all are a simple few editing minutes to get working on the latest version at most.

I ask - would you rather have never seen Meekong, except screenies, for all the years of it's editing - or is it better to have a number of upgrades and fixes - but have had the chance to actually spend some time playing on it?

As someone who works 10 hours a day as the sales manager in a busy IT distributor, who spends time with family, friends and lover - and who finds time to play the odd simulation game and edit some flashpoint - I say PUSH - play now, fix bugs as we find them and keep it alive.....

[-Ash- 0]

Have you ever thought that mods become delayed because a lot of people offer their services and basically do naff all just to get that famous 'I WORK FOR *insert mod name here* signature?

We've (Falklands mod) have been let down badly by so many people over the years thats it's almost laughable.. People promise so much to a project yet deliver very little..

Noone gets paid for doing this, it's all for your enjoyment so lay off the mod teams and just wait..

[jojimbo 0]

i did write this in the locked I44 topic,but nobody must have read it so i'll repeat myself,also lets not forget I44 was sitting on its hands for nearly two years waiting for O2.

so it's not 4 years we have been working on the new mod,but 2,in actual fact,we have only been working on the phase structure since i took over leadership a year ago.

so these are the facts.also ego has nothing to do with it.

it's not released because it is not ready,it's as simple as that.It is "near" to release as we are well into finishing off the needed bits and bobs,bug testing,a couple of minor models to do,some brand new units and we need to compile the campaign,get the missions finished etc,

However,when released,it will be the last "when it's done" big mod project.After phase one there will be "upgrades" or "patches" if you like to the existing core components,and additions to the addon database.I believe this is the way to go,as big mod projects and secrecy are not popular,this will change.

The phase one of the project is the hardest part,this is our foundation stone for everything else that comes along,such as different theatres etc,will all use the core files and mod folder.

Once the first mod is released the other "phases" should follow in a lot less time,and as i stated,in "upgrades" to the already existing version.

so there it is,

work in progress pics for phase one "market garden" we will be posted soon,and there will

be "photoshopped" and raw ingame screens,and o2 screens as well because thats the way i want it.

i hope this has cleared things up a little

[lukemax 0]

Just to point something out

Hardrocks eutofighter

about like a year ago it was at 95% now??

[Ironsight 1]

Just to point something out

Hardrocks eutofighter

about like a year ago it was at 95% now??

So?

It's not your Eurofighter is it?

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

Just to point something out

Hardrocks eutofighter

about like a year ago it was at 95% now??

So?  

It's not your Eurofighter is it?

And he released a beta;

http://ofp.gamezone.cz/index.php?showthis=8136

[offtime 0]

[...] I believe this is the way to go,as big mod projects and secrecy are not popular,this will change.

[...]

work in progress pics for phase one "market garden" we will be posted soon,and there will

be "photoshopped" and raw ingame screens,and o2 screens as well because thats the way i want it.

i hope this has cleared things up a little

secrecy away ? greate, you have this mod fan in me.

Thank You.

[lukemax 0]

Just to point something out

Hardrocks eutofighter

about like a year ago it was at 95% now??

So?  

It's not your Eurofighter is it?

No but im just pointing it out.

I mean i;ve got things on my hard drive that i havent realeased but then i havent put picturres everywhere of them teaseing people.

I just feel that is wrong if you never plan to realease something then dont show us pics

[DKM Jaguar 0]

Ever consider it's just not ready?

what next? You're going to impose time restrictions on the making of addons? Do you think you have so much power to demand an addon be done if it was 95% 7 months ago?

The only solution: no addon maker show pics. I wonder how long the community would be going on without any visible progress. Not long.

Next you'll be laying claim to all the addons people make for themselves, becuase you "paid for OFP" and that gives you the right to any content made for it?

[TwentyFourSeven 0]

Frustration? Has it always been part of the community or is it something that has just cropped up recently as OFP lifespan is slowly winding up?  Perhaps bored people?  Ive noticed myself getting frustrated over something I have no control over and only time away do you realise, it was for nothing.  I've moved onto playing Guild Wars now and find its everywhere, seems alot of angst all round in europe and the world.  

Mods are like sweetshop windows, where the goods are not for sale.  Look but dont touch, touch but dont tell.  I might comeback and download Falklands or Inv44 mod when out, but for me, Flashpoint and the faith in some gamers has hit a low. It still saddens me to see comments frozen on opinfo all that time ago.