USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[ziiip 1]

I do not see your point at all, it seems clouded by propaganda.

Propaganda? :confused: Saying that you dont sit down to discuss an issue with your assault rifle on the table that is obsiously for intimidation is propaganda? That is freaking common sense that applies in any country.

Anyway, if you dont get my point there is no point in further discussion...

Edited September 1, 2010 by ziiip

[mosh 0]

Propaganda? :confused: Saying that you dont sit down to discuss an issue with your assault rifle on the table that is obsiously for intimidation is propaganda? That is freaking common sense that applies in any country (of course you can flex your muscles in a bar).

Anyway, if you dont get my point there is no point in further discussion...

You're talking nonsense. Expressing our right to bear arms is the same as intimidation? What? :j:

You're way off. Please stay out of American politics when you have no clue. Stick to whatever they tell you to do over there...

[ziiip 1]

You're talking nonsense. Expressing our right to bear arms is the same as intimidation? What? :j:

One word: context.

[Thunderbird 0]

Never got why the US can't imagine their future without weapons... Here in Europe, you've many nations forbidding firearms and have a quite tough legislation in these regards.

Therefore the result is more than satisfying, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen that people get killed by weapons, but the european ratio compared to the US is almost inexistant, heh.

And what about all the fuss out there about Obama's decisions to make poor classes get free medical care? Some of these morons are unable to make the difference between socialism and communism...

And these "Tea Party" groups, what's the matter with them? Using unfounded and complete stupid arguments to make Obama look bad in a certain light... They do even call him "racist"... Huh

Calling him racist make them show a part of their deeply hidden racism, they just betray themselves.

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Regards,

TB

Edited September 2, 2010 by Thunderbird

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

You certainly have a gift for vagueness - just spit out whatever your really trying to say :p

And whomever these "people" are -need to get a life. Life ain't that bad and it's short -enjoy it! Now i remember why I don't subscribe to any political party -they're all nuts!

I thought people of intellect had the capacity to 'get' whatever is being broadcasted so vaguely.

The blunt part: you still think 'Hitler' scenario is not possible in the US? You tell that to the people that are keeping their passports ready for that flight to Peru because they do have lives and they do have a lot to lose; a rifle in the closet being a temporary measure to ensure that they don't get into situation of 'Can I zee zou paperz pleaz'.

We're not subscribed to any party, hell, the sane ones would revoke their US citizenship if need be because the US is going down the drain in their mind, since most haven't been out of the loop of ponzi schemes and bullshit wars for the past 10 years like some persons.

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Never got why the US can't imagine their future without weapons...

Because you have Mexico to the South, because the US is not Europe, because Europe does not have The Pentagon, or the White House, because you would have an immediate coup d'etat by groups that are too numerous to list.

There was a bluff by EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) some days ago, an effort to ban LEAD ammunition via an environment protection law passed in 1976 AFAIR, which specifically excluded ammunition from the bill. The 'petition' was withdrawn 2 days later.

Edited September 2, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[maturin 12]

You're talking nonsense. Expressing our right to bear arms is the same as intimidation? What? :j:

You're way off. Please stay out of American politics when you have no clue. Stick to whatever they tell you to do over there...

So walking up to someone on the street and screaming in their face is just expressing your right to free speech?

[froggyluv 2136]

The blunt part: you still think 'Hitler' scenario is not possible in the US? You tell that to the people that are keeping their passports ready for that flight to Peru because they do have lives and they do have a lot to lose; a rifle in the closet being a temporary measure to ensure that they don't get into situation of 'Can I zee zou paperz pleaz

'.

Good, let them go to Peru -shows how blatantly Un-American they are. Honestly I don't know what all of this Hitler talk is about -papers? You mean the immigration police in the SW? They're just doing there job of protecting our borders.

So now we have detractors calling our Government both Nazis and Communists... America is still a Capitalist nation with maybe some social (ist?) type public policy - but you can still build whatever future you want here unlike these regimes you are alluding to. I've only been back in the States for a year and a half and came with $500 in my pocket and yet have already built a fairly successful small business that is growing thru hard work. So all of this crying is just excuses to me -you want something here? Go after it with tenacious spirit and you wil achieve it. Blaming all of life's ills on the government is just a by-product of our new whiny culture.

We're not subscribed to any party, hell, the sane ones would revoke their US citizenship if need be because the US is going down the drain in their mind, since most haven't been out of the loop of ponzi schemes and bullshit wars for the past 10 years like some persons.

Not out of the loop, just not obssessed with it. Sounds like your calling for bigger governement to reinstate more regulatory powers over big business (ponzi's) -this is one area where the Gov. does need to step in. And nobodys stopping you from revoking your US citizenship, though after a few years in Peru, you may reflect back that things actually weren't so bad in the Ol' US of A.

:)

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Not out of the loop, just not obssessed with it. Sounds like your calling for bigger governement to reinstate more regulatory powers over big business (ponzi's) -this is one area where the Gov. does need to step in. And nobodys stopping you from revoking your US citizenship, though after a few years in Peru, you may reflect back that things actually weren't so bad in the Ol' US of A.

:)

The reference to 'Can I has your papers' was the Police State one. You've been out of the loop, kinda. ;) Peeps aiming for South America & Off-shore already have their life settled and don't want it to be ruined by Socialism/Nazism - whichever comes first, if ever.

Some people are too ambitious, and paranoid, I guess. :D

P.S. Both dotcom & housing bubbles were propped up by US government, all we ask is: can we have our Republic back? If not, I think nobody would shed a tear if another Nero burns Rome. And blames Muslims. See what I did thar? :cc:

Edited September 2, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Upon Governor Beverly Perdue’s declaration of a State Of Emergency on September 1, 2010 Dove Hunters, Concealed Carry Handgun Licensees, Target Shooters and all other gunowners cannot possess, transport or use firearms off their personal property as per N.C. Gen. Stat. § 14-288.7

Statute:

§ 14‑288.7. Transporting dangerous weapon or substance during emergency; possessing off premises; exceptions.

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, it is unlawful for any person to transport or possess off his own premises any dangerous weapon or substance in any area:

(1) In which a declared state of emergency exists; or

(2) Within the immediate vicinity of which a riot is occurring.

(b) This section does not apply to persons exempted from the provisions of G.S. 14‑269 with respect to any activities lawfully engaged in while carrying out their duties.

© Any person who violates any provision of this section is guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. (1969, c. 869, s. 1; 1993, c. 539, s. 192; 1994, Ex. Sess., c. 24, s. 14©.)

At the time of hurricane Katrina, were there any such measures taken in the State of Louisiana?

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

Good old North Carolina.

[mosh 0]

I tried to find out what Missouri's law is regarding 'state of emergency' but didn't really find anything worthwhile. I'm not good at sifting through legal crap...

[HyperU2 11]

Statute:

At the time of hurricane Katrina, were there any such measures taken in the State of Louisiana?

Actually they confiscated legal firearms during Katrina.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318478,00.html

[mosh 0]

Actually they confiscated legal firearms during Katrina.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318478,00.html

Now that you mention that, I do remember that happening. I guess it would be a similar situation here.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Actually they confiscated legal firearms during Katrina.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,318478,00.html

Looters & other predators will have a field day in NC. Govment for the people by the people. :cc:

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Edited September 3, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[tacticalnuggets 24]

Humanities fear of its own capacity to kill never stops amazing me. Yet, the solution is to make people more susceptible to that capacity? I guess strangling someone is far more moral than shooting them. Should I pull out crime statistics for European countries and compare them to the United States to prove my point? I know I will be attacked but I'm in the mood for it.

The truth is everyone that crime never has any strengthening relation to firearms. Its a simple matter of population density. Put one scuba diver in a tank with one shark, and then put 20 scuba divers in a tank with 20 sharks and you will quickly see the problem.

[Baff1 0]

The easier it is to commit a crime the more likely it is for that crime to be commited.

The path of least resistance.

It is easier to shoot someone than it is to strangle someone.

Therefore, even though far more people on the planet have acess to both their hands than have access to guns, more people are shot than strangled.

The more guns you have, the more they will be used. It's a directly proportional relationship. More weapons= more murders.

If explosives were uncontrolled inthe U.S., you would get more bombings too.

If everyone drove tanks more cars would be crushed etc. etc. etc.

For Americans it isn't an argument that gun crime isn't directly related to gun ownership, it as an argument on whether or not that is an acceptable proprotion. Whether the benefits outwiegh the drawbacks.

[HyperU2 11]

Anytime they're used to prevent a crime they greatly outweigh the drawbacks to me. You've also got to consider that a large number of our homicides are criminals killing other criminals with illegal guns. Not being a criminal greatly reduces the probability that you'll be shot.

[froggyluv 2136]

Not being a criminal greatly reduces the probability that you'll be shot.

Not if you live in that high-crime area.

[HyperU2 11]

Not if you live in that high-crime area.

Even for those that do, they don't get randomly shot. At least not in my nearby high crime area. Everyone here earns their bullets.

[froggyluv 2136]

Even for those that do, they don't get randomly shot. At least not in my nearby high crime area. Everyone here earns their bullets.

Really? You live near a remarkably precise shooting ghetto then. Most high-crime areas contain a substantial number of people and kids getting caught in crossfire. Doubtful that they "earned those bullets."

[HyperU2 11]

Actually they don't contain a "high" number killed in the crossfire, but those make the news.

[froggyluv 2136]

Well then thats great news as there is no longer any need to arm ourselves (us being the non-criminals) as we are under no threat from the real baddies.

[HyperU2 11]

So you think the only threat is stray bullets and having a gun would somehow stop them from hitting you?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

The truth is everyone that crime never has any strengthening relation to firearms.

Check out the UK, I think you need a license for a pepper spray. Then, they wonder why lorries drive up to their garage and steal that $30k bike in broad daylight.

'Civilised', my ass. Gawd damn peasants. :icon_eek:

[Baff1 0]

You can't have pepper spray here at all.

You can on the otherhand have vans drive up to your garage and steal from it in broad daylight. I have done. A few times.