USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[froggyluv 2135]

I just don't understand these anti-gov't miltia, stockpiling types. Who has the Gov't ever attacked in our country?

Waco? A bunch of religious nut fanatics with a leader who sexually preyed on his followers kids -no big loss there.

Ruby Ridge? - Some White supremicist who lived in the woods stockpiling weapons. Hey if the guy wants solitude with his racial hatred, all the power to him -but not exactly a poster boy for innocent man persecuted.

I think its just all this Glenn Beck/Limbaugh types who scare those that are already on the fringe in the first place.

[zigzag 0]

Again, what fear do i have in my life? If you cant name what i fear, then i do not live in fear. Do i fear the government? Nope, ill just fight when the time comes.

Maybe your not afraid of the goverment, but you are afraid that they will attack you.

[HyperU2 11]

I just don't understand these anti-gov't miltia, stockpiling types. Who has the Gov't ever attacked in our country?

Waco? A bunch of religious nut fanatics with a leader who sexually preyed on his followers kids -no big loss there.

You're so disgusted with him preying on kids that burning them alive = no big loss? The Government could have had Koresh anytime, they wanted a big show.

[pviera11 10]

I just don't understand these anti-gov't miltia, stockpiling types. Who has the Gov't ever attacked in our country?

Waco? A bunch of religious nut fanatics with a leader who sexually preyed on his followers kids -no big loss there.

Ruby Ridge? - Some White supremicist who lived in the woods stockpiling weapons. Hey if the guy wants solitude with his racial hatred, all the power to him -but not exactly a poster boy for innocent man persecuted.

I think its just all this Glenn Beck/Limbaugh types who scare those that are already on the fringe in the first place.

No i don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, but yes the government did use it to gain more control over the people. Yes Waco was full of a bunch of religious nuts but the government should of left them alone, but nope the government has to put there hand in something where it doesn't belong. I don't give credit to glenn beck, or rush Limbaugh for the simple fact. They are stealing the same stuff that we had said for over 10 years. I dislike socialists, communists, globalists, and the NWO. When socialists, communists, globalists, and the NWO control government, get into government, and turn your country in a democracy from a republic, then you have a right to fight, our founding fathers even said we have a right to fight.

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Maybe your not afraid of the goverment, but you are afraid that they will attack you.

So because the U.S. military expands the weapons the buy, and the vehicles they buy yearly, that means they are scared of every other country because they might attack? Why don't you run up to your nearest military base, and tell them they are all afraid, and they are shaking in their boots because they may get attacked.

[froggyluv 2135]

You're so disgusted with him preying on kids that burning them alive = no big loss? The Government could have had Koresh anytime, they wanted a big show.

Well of course that is a tragedy. On par with innocent Iraqi kids who've been bombed, burned shot etc by our Gov't. They certainly didn't handle the raid correctly, but the raid itself was justified imo. I certainly wouldn't nor do fear my Gov't over that event.

@pviera11 -ok. The founding Fathers also believed in seperation of Church and State yet many Tea Party types want a Christian-ized Nation and you get the feeling they also prefer to keep the majority Caucasion/Christian -what do you feel about that?

Also when you saw "we" in relation to Beck/Limbaugh steaing your material, who exactly are you referring to?

[Baff1 0]

Right there again, It involves other people you live with. What are you going to do once guns are banned, and people start using knifes? you going to get registrations for knifes now, and when to many murders happen with those, those are banned to. So now people are killing each other with their bare hands, are you going to cut off everyone's hands? You can ban everything you want, but in the end. When someone wants to kill someone they will do it one way or another.

All murders are already banned mate. Whatever weapon you use.

When someone really really wants to murder you they will find a way, but when someone is not thinking straight, is hot tempered or acting in the heat of the moment, all they need is time to stop and think.

You can kill me with your bare hands, but unlike with a gun you will have about 5 minutes to reconsider you actions. While with a gun you will not.

When my wife or my child decide to kill me with their bare hands, they will be unable to. Unlike if they take hold of a gun.

Surely you recognise that it is easier for someone to kill with a gun than with a knife or their bare hands. That having access to gun makes murder more of an option than not having accesss to a gun.

We all recognise that cold blooded murder will not be absolutely removed from society by tighter gun laws, but most of the shootings aren't in cold blood. They are in hot blood.

The biggest danger of all is from members of your own family. Not people who really deeply want to kill you and will do whatever it takes to that ends, but people who love you and have lost their rag. Domestic violence.

In all honesty, do you really want to one a gun to protect yourself from your wife and child anyway?

People want guns for entirely different reasons. Sport, hunting, the feeling of security, external threats. The biggest threat from guns however is internal, domestic use. There is no getting away from it.

The argument of self defence is a weak one. Owning a gun is more likely to put you and your loved ones at risk than not owning one.

Understanding this is part of the responsability of owning one.

I'm not attempting to make a case to you for banning guns. This isn't really a forum where I would expect to find someone who will either.

Edited September 8, 2010 by Baff1

[pviera11 10]

Well of course that is a tragedy. On par with innocent Iraqi kids who've been bombed, burned shot etc by our Gov't. They certainly didn't handle the raid correctly, but the raid itself was justified imo. I certainly wouldn't nor do fear my Gov't over that event.

@pviera11 -ok. The founding Fathers also believed in seperation of Church and State yet many Tea Party types want a Christian-ized Nation and you get the feeling they also prefer to keep the majority Caucasion/Christian -what do you feel about that?

Also when you saw "we" in relation to Beck/Limbaugh steaing your material, who exactly are you referring to?

There is one fault with Christians now days, they forget that Christians, Muslims, and The Jewish all have the same god, different messengers, also the church's now days are filled with lies the government puts out. Also i love it how one minute the government cant do ANY wrong, and now they are bombing innocent Iraqi kids. A typical hypocritical American.

[HyperU2 11]

Waco wasn't justified it was trumped up, Reno should hang.

[pviera11 10]

All murders are already banned mate. Whatever weapon you use.

When someone really really wants to murder you they will find a way, but when someone is not thinking straight, is hot tempered or acting in the heat of the moment, all they need is time to stop and think.

You can kill me with your bare hands, but unlike with a gun you will have about 5 minutes to reconsider you actions. While with a gun you will not.

When my wife or my child decided to kill me with their bare hands, they will be unable to. Unlike if the take a gun.

Surely you recognise that it is easier for someone to kill with a gun than with a knife or their bare hands. That having access to gun makes murder more of an option than not having accesss to a gun.

We all recognise that cold blooded murder will not be absolutely removed from society by tighter gun laws, but most of the murders aren't in cold blood. They are in hot blood.

The biggest danger of all is from members of your own family. Not people who really deeply want to kill you and will do whatever it takes to that ends, but people who love you and have lost their rag. Domestic violence.

If i really wanted you dead or dint have a weapon, and i was mad, i would just get close enough to you so i could punch your wind pipe, and crush it.

[zigzag 0]

Have fun living in you paranoia.

Now Im going away to the store to buy some smokes without being afraid of getting shot, stabed or those black helicopters. Im just going to enjoy the walk.

Edited September 8, 2010 by zigzag

[pviera11 10]

Have fun living in you paranoia.

Now Im going away to the store to buy some smokes without being afraid of getting shot, stabed or those black helicopters. Im just going to enjoy the walk.

Again, couldn't even give an example, so you still try to stereotype me that i am so paranoid i cant even go out of my house. Go baaaahhh for me sheep.

[froggyluv 2135]

There is one fault with Christians now days, they forget that Christians, Muslims, and The Jewish all have the same god, different messengers, also the church's now days are filled with lies the government puts out. Also i love it how one minute the government cant do ANY wrong, and now they are bombing innocent Iraqi kids. A typical hypocritical American.

Surprisingly insightful on the same God among religions :)

Not sure how the Gov't has planted seeds of deceit in ancient religions, but ok.

You confuse being hypocritical to complexity of opinion. I never said the Gov't does no wrong -they do. So do all Gov'ts, some worse than others. I have lived in many areas of the world, and one thing that generally does is make you appreciate what we have back home. I see this new trend of paranoia, mistrust and implied violence toward the Gov't as far more

threatening and disturbing than anything the Gov't has actually done.

Waco wasn't justified it was trumped up, Reno should hang.

What about MOVE kids? They got firebombed by the Gov't (local) and nobody in the Milita circles says squat about them? is it because they were poor black kids? It's high time you got over WACO, yes it sucked, but cults usually end badly period.

Also pviera111, you did just post about fear of an intruder so you need access to your gun -the gun which your Gov't won't let you keep upstairs...

[HyperU2 11]

What about MOVE kids? They got firebombed by the Gov't (local) and nobody in the Milita circles says squat about them? is it because they were poor black kids? It's high time you got over WACO, yes it sucked, but cults usually end badly period.

MOVE had already killed one cop, and wounded others. I don't really support the dropping of satchel charges into residential neighborhoods though. Nobody cares about WACO either so it's not really a racial thing.

Edited September 8, 2010 by HyperU2

[zigzag 0]

Again, couldn't even give an example, so you still try to stereotype me that i am so paranoid i cant even go out of my house. Go baaaahhh for me sheep.

I gave you one example, you are afraid that the goverment is going to attack you.

[pviera11 10]

Surprisingly insightful on the same God among religions :)

Not sure how the Gov't has planted seeds of deceit in ancient religions, but ok.

You confuse being hypocritical to complexity of opinion. I never said the Gov't does no wrong -they do. So do all Gov'ts, some worse than others. I have lived in many areas of the world, and one thing that generally does is make you appreciate what we have back home. I see this new trend of paranoia, mistrust and implied violence toward the Gov't as far more

threatening and disturbing than anything the Gov't has actually done.

Again, a religion is a religion, they have a book that is written, if you all have the same Bible, then its all the same words in it, but how you interpret those words from the Bible, makes you good or bad. There is a big preacher on TV with 2 million followers, has a big church, but he was preaching how the rich all need to give their money to the poor, and he was putting in socialist ideology into his preachings. People can use god to control, or do good with his message. Unfortunately most people choose to control or do bad.

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I gave you one example, you are afraid that the goverment is going to attack you.

So then the military is afraid they are going to get invaded because they buy more weapons, and vehicles? If that isnt true, then what you say isnt true about me.

[Baff1 0]

If i really wanted you dead or dint have a weapon, and i was mad, i would just get close enough to you so i could punch your wind pipe, and crush it.

But you aren't close to me.

You are no threat to me at all.

If you have anger issues the only people you are a threat to, the only people you will have the opportunity to make dead are those in your close proximity.

If you have a weapon, you are more of a danger to them than if you do not. No matter how great you are at kung fu, it is easier to shoot someone with a gun.

[froggyluv 2135]

MOVE had already killed one cop, and wounded others.

Koresh had already raped many girls....So that justifies bombing them all? See what I did there....

[zigzag 0]

So then the military is afraid they are going to get invaded because they buy more weapons, and vehicles? If that isnt true, then what you say isnt true about me.

Why would they else have all the weapons, just for fun

[HyperU2 11]

Koresh had already raped many girls....So that justifies bombing them all? See what I did there....

Allegedly raped. Where as with MOVE the proof is in the dead cop.

[pviera11 10]

Why would they else have all the weapons, just for fun

Fight other government, invade other countrys, etc.

[froggyluv 2135]

Allegedly raped. Where as with MOVE the proof is in the dead cop.

First off, I'm from Philly and saw the black smoke with my own eyes. Second, the bombing had nothing to do with that shooting -which was like 6-7 years earlier and those members were in jail. The bombing happened because neighbors didn't like the way they lived, filed complaints, and that is how the eviction was served -hot!

Edit- Many of my Native American brethern were into MOVE so I went to a speech by then leader Ramona Africa and I thought they were nuts -tho they hate the Man like you do so maybe you'd get along :)

Edited September 8, 2010 by froggyluv

[pviera11 10]

But you aren't close to me.

You are no threat to me at all.

If you have anger issues the only people you are a threat to, the only people you will have the opportunity to make dead are those in your close proximity.

If you have a weapon, you are more of a danger to them than if you do not. No matter how great you are at kung fu, it is easier to shoot someone with a gun.

No, now your suggesting that when everyone is angry they throw their arms up in the air, and scream as loud as they can at the other person, and try hitting them. Simple fact is you don't know what i am like when i am angry, i am a very calm person when angry, which means i would have many chances to kill someone with my bare hands because they would never suspect it, and they wouldn't be ready to defend against it. Also i dislike Kung Fu, boxing is the best.

[HyperU2 11]

First off, I'm from Philly and saw the black smoke with my own eyes. Second, the bombing had nothing to do with that shooting -which was like 6-7 years earlier and those members were in jail. The bombing happened because neighbors didn't like the way they lived, filed complaints, and that is how the eviction was served -hot!

Edit- Many of my Native American brethern were into MOVE so I went to a speech by them leader ramona Africa and I thought they were nuts -tho they hate the Man like you do so maybe you'd get along :)

After another two hour shootout. I don't really fear the Government though, even though they do the occasional travesty, MOVE and I have nothing in common, nor the Klan.

[froggyluv 2135]

After another two hour shootout. I don't really fear the Government though, even though they do the occasional travesty, MOVE and I have nothing in common, nor the Klan.

You know, if MOVE and the Klan could only get over that whole race thing, they could truly have some great hate-mongering mixers and parties

[pviera11 10]

You know, if MOVE and the Klan could only get over that whole race thing, they could truly have some great hate-mongering mixers and parties

Foggyluv you support a democracy right?