USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[pviera11 10]

But notice they are going to be staying in kuwait? Just in case if they need to go back in quickly......Also i forgot to add, most of them will be flown back. But they will also keep a large amount in kuwait just incase. So i wouldnt cheer just yet.

Edit.

This also could just be an attempt to try, and get the taliban to take over again to drag them all into the open, so they could just send all the units back in to kill the Taliban, and Al-qaeda. But also the taliban, and Al-qaeda isn't as stupid as people make them out to be.

Edited August 19, 2010 by pviera11

[Big Mac 19]

But notice they are going to be staying in kuwait? Just in case if they need to go back in quickly......

Yea for a few days and those few days will be spent loading the strykers onto ships and aircraft along with men. Honestly anything short of Iran crossing the border means we're out of the war for good, we're going to let the Iraqis fight the insurgents. It's their war now and they're the only ones who have a snowball's chance in hell of winning it. I'm cheering because I have quite a few friends in 4/2 and they're busy packing up, not preparing to go back in.

[pviera11 10]

Yea for a few days and those few days will be spent loading the strykers onto ships and aircraft along with men. Honestly anything short of Iran crossing the border means we're out of the war for good, we're going to let the Iraqis fight the insurgents. It's their war now and they're the only ones who have a snowball's chance in hell of winning it. I'm cheering because I have quite a few friends in 4/2 and they're busy packing up, not preparing to go back in.

I forgot to fully type out my post.

But notice they are going to be staying in kuwait? Just in case if they need to go back in quickly......Also i forgot to add, most of them will be flown back. But they will also keep a large amount in kuwait just incase. So i wouldnt cheer just yet.

Edit.

This also could just be an attempt to try, and get the taliban to take over again to drag them all into the open, so they could just send all the units back in to kill the Taliban, and Al-qaeda. But also the taliban, and Al-qaeda isn't as stupid as people make them out to be.

---------- Post added at 02:52 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:50 PM ----------

Also there aren't just insurgents in Iraq, its a civil war, and the U.S. decided to step in, and try to stop it. One side will win the civil war, make their own government, and that should be the end of it. If the people don't like the government in that country, they rebel.

Edited August 21, 2010 by pviera11

[Hans Ludwig 0]

I agree with you 100%, two days ago was the only time Obama actually stood up for the Constitution. If they want to build a mosque there, then fine. The only legal way to stop it is to find out the funding is truly coming from terrorist organizations. If the government somehow uses its power to stop the mosque from being built if everything was legal, then i say we also have to get rid of the christian church near by(i am a christian) everyone acts like there were no Muslims, in those buildings, or currently Muslims fighting in the military. In fact i bet if we were fighting Germany in 2011, the government would claim the German government as a terrorist organization, and so would the American people.

I understand, and some Americans understand, the Constitution. However, the city (municipality) deals with zoning/planning issues. The planning/zoning department of NYC, which is similar to most US cities, looks to see if this mosque can be built in this specific area. If it can not, then it will set a public hearing for public input. Then the elected/appointed board members of the zoning commission will vote on this issue and then send it up to be voted on by the city council.

By the way, the rest of your post is absolutely ridiculous.

Edited August 22, 2010 by Hans Ludwig

[vilas 477]

yesterday i seen in discovery something and i wanna ask is it true (it was not hollywood movie)

it was about gangs in Oakland or Oklahoma (city on O letter)

it is big city, but i forget name (broadcast was about anti-gang police squad)

there was broadcast about hundreds men killed in gang wars

one part of town is Lating gang who wear red baseball caps, red bandana

other part wear black "9400"

other wear blue color

and there was shown kid on wheelchair

he get bullet in spine, cause he went from home in non-that-color cap

he was not member of gang, he took basebal cap on head, bluse, pants, he went from home and was shot several times,

i wanna ask simple question, are you a country where i walk street in red or blue or black cap and i will be shot cause "in this part of town Latin/Black gangs shoot to people in other colors of clothes" ???

i cannot understand nonsense of killing people "because of other color of clothes" and how it is possible to last for years (they are mostly teenagers with UZI or Smith&Wesson, Glock etc.)

gangsters were saying their gang has 38 years

so since 40 years people killing people cause of baseball caps ???

and why such cycos are not executed, there was interview with one gangster who said he "was killing" and left prison after 10 years ???

i also see in internet that gangs are selling gang-shirts

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/North_America/United_States_of_America/California/Oakland-754597/Warnings_or_Dangers-Oakland-BR-1.html

? how is it possible in modern world and such strong country ?

Edited August 23, 2010 by vilas

[HyperU2 11]

yesterday i seen in discovery something and i wanna ask is it true (it was not hollywood movie)

it was about gangs in Oakland or Oklahoma (city on O letter)

it is big city, but i forget name (broadcast was about anti-gang police squad)

there was broadcast about hundreds men killed in gang wars

one part of town is Lating gang who wear red baseball caps, red bandana

other part wear black "9400"

other wear blue color

and there was shown kid on wheelchair

he get bullet in spine, cause he went from home in non-that-color cap

he was not member of gang, he took basebal cap on head, bluse, pants, he went from home and was shot several times,

i wanna ask simple question, are you a country where i walk street in red or blue or black cap and i will be shot cause "in this part of town Latin/Black gangs shoot to people in other colors of clothes" ???

i cannot understand nonsense of killing people "because of other color of clothes" and how it is possible to last for years (they are mostly teenagers with UZI or Smith&Wesson, Glock etc.)

gangsters were saying their gang has 38 years

so since 40 years people killing people cause of baseball caps ???

and why such cycos are not executed, there was interview with one gangster who said he "was killing" and left prison after 10 years ???

i also see in internet that gangs are selling gang-shirts

http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/North_America/United_States_of_America/California/Oakland-754597/Warnings_or_Dangers-Oakland-BR-1.html

? how is it possible in modern world and such strong country ?

You're not likely to get shot for wearing the wrong colors, you'd really have to fuck up and get lost to wander into that part of town.

If we try to treat them the way they deserve we're "racist". There are a lot of factors that go into crime and punishment, you're unlikely to be sentenced to death for killing someone who is also a criminal.

[vilas 477]

i know that "racist" problem in Europe, cause there are nations who not work, but only steal (we also have problems that we cannot solve because you know ... you would have to act like SS during WW2 , cause simply there is minority who not work, who not educate, they steal only :/

but how this Oakland is comparable to other US

i remember guy who in 90s told me "never go to US, it is bandit country, you walk street and they shoot to you"

guy visited NY, he wanted to take some pictures, see buildings (architecture) and had to escape few times cause of gangsters

how in modern society it is possible that "you don't visit this part of town"

[HyperU2 11]

i know that "racist" problem in Europe, cause there are nations who not work, but only steal (we also have problems that we cannot solve because you know ... you would have to act like SS during WW2 , cause simply there is minority who not work, who not educate, they steal only :/

but how this Oakland is comparable to other US

i remember guy who in 90s told me "never go to US, it is bandit country, you walk street and they shoot to you"

guy visited NY, he wanted to take some pictures, see buildings (architecture) and had to escape few times cause of gangsters

how in modern society it is possible that "you don't visit this part of town"

There are plenty of areas you just avoid. Baltimore has a prime example, there are 5 city blocks between two tourist areas that no one in their right mind would walk through.

[vilas 477]

There are plenty of areas you just avoid. Baltimore has a prime example, there are 5 city blocks between two tourist areas that no one in their right mind would walk through.

man, this sound sick to me :(

US looks to me very strange country, in Europe you dont have such situations (for sure before 1989 it was non imaginable cause Militia had eye everywhere and control everywhere and we were safe on streets), US looks to me like some Africa or Latin America favelas

[HyperU2 11]

man, this sound sick to me :(

US looks to me very strange country, in Europe you dont have such situations (for sure before 1989 it was non imaginable cause Militia had eye everywhere and control everywhere and we were safe on streets), US looks to me like some Africa or Latin America favelas

Parts of it are, there is nothing you can do about a portion of society that has no desire to better themselves. Europe isn't as "diverse" as the US, yet.

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[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

man, this sound sick to me :(

US looks to me very strange country, in Europe you dont have such situations (for sure before 1989 it was non imaginable cause Militia had eye everywhere and control everywhere and we were safe on streets), US looks to me like some Africa or Latin America favelas

Move to a different State, problem solved. The United States is huge country by landmass, but it is not Russia, where the only opportunity to thrive is in the Moscow Oblast or similar economic regions.

The freeflow of the workforce is one of the basis of free market economy and civil society.

[Big Mac 19]

There are plenty of areas you just avoid. Baltimore has a prime example, there are 5 city blocks between two tourist areas that no one in their right mind would walk through.

LOL The only safe place in Baltimore is the inner harbor even that isn't safe at 2:30am in the morning.

[HyperU2 11]

LOL The only safe place in Baltimore is the inner harbor even that isn't safe at 2:30am in the morning.

Inner Harbor is fine, and Fells Point you just need to drive between them, Fells is the one to abandon before 2am though. I do love that city though.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Inner Harbor is fine, and Fells Point you just need to drive between them, Fells is the one to abandon before 2am though. I do love that city though.

Certain places harbour (:D) people that have fucked up Royally, or are about to do so. And I hear the US doesn't take kind to such people, which is understandable.

[HyperU2 11]

Here's a sick little tool for Baltimore. Pick a year and then click "show results". When you filter the results by race you'll see why my white arse doesn't fear the city.

http://essentials.baltimoresun.com/micro_sun/homicides/

[Big Mac 19]

Inner Harbor is fine, and Fells Point you just need to drive between them, Fells is the one to abandon before 2am though. I do love that city though.

I lived in Fells for 7 years and that's pretty much true. However the harbor is known for it's shootings and even known for people dumping bodies in the harbor. Federal Hill is so bad they call it Funeral Hill. All in all I love Baltimore and would love to go back. Edited August 23, 2010 by Big Mac

[HyperU2 11]

I'm content with just visiting, with a good tailwind I'm a little over an hour and a half away. My friend has a boat down there so it's always a good time.

[Prydain 1]

Europe isn't as "diverse" as the US, yet.

How do you mean? I would say that Europe is a basket of diversity.

[HyperU2 11]

How do you mean? I would say that Europe is a basket of diversity.

I was referring to members of our populace like those in the video. No country in Europe has them as 13% of its population.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

i know that "racist" problem in Europe, cause there are nations who not work, but only steal (we also have problems that we cannot solve because you know ... you would have to act like SS during WW2 , cause simply there is minority who not work, who not educate, they steal only :/

but how this Oakland is comparable to other US

i remember guy who in 90s told me "never go to US, it is bandit country, you walk street and they shoot to you"

guy visited NY, he wanted to take some pictures, see buildings (architecture) and had to escape few times cause of gangsters

how in modern society it is possible that "you don't visit this part of town"

LOL WTF? Bandit country? Yeah, ok. Tell your friend to stop watching 1950s Westerns.

By the way, California is not representative of rest of America. It's a liberal state with liberal laws and liberal ideology. Think of California as a miniature Europe nestled on the West Coast of the US.

[vilas 477]

my friend from studies WAS in NY in 90s, not watched movies

so not only Oakland and such like , he was there and said few times had to escape cause heard shots, black guys with guns etc. all this "gangsta rap" pseudo-culture etc.

[Zipper5 74]

Every country in the world has it's own form of "gangstas", vilas, and they are all equally an issue. Hell, I even noticed that Switzerland has it's own version when I visited last year for Christmas. I've got to say the ones I hate the most are Chavs, though.

[maddogx 13]

I've got to say the ones I hate the most are Chavs, though.

Same here, and unfortunately you get those pretty much everywhere too.

[vilas 477]

there is very huge difference between guy who drink beer on street and armed in UZI shooting to someone in other color of blouse , cap etc.

chav, hooligan is not gangsta

do they shoot to others ? or they simply drink beer and spit on street ???

gangsters make street looking like warzone, this what i heard about US cities

Edited August 24, 2010 by vilas

[Zipper5 74]

do they shoot to others ?

They certainly do. I'd imagine they're as big of a problem to the UK as "gangstas" are to the US.

And I'm sure Poland have such people to. People and the media are always blowing the "gangsta" issue in the US way out of proportion. Sure it's there, sure it happens, but hell the streets aren't goddamn warzones (Phoenix might be, but that's drug cartels from Mexico, not "gangstas"). Most places in the US are mostly safe, and they all have excellent police forces keeping it that way. I've been to the US twice on two long summer holidays and not once have I heard gunshots or felt like I was in danger, and I went all over the country.

Edited August 24, 2010 by Zipper5