SOPA - Internet as we know it about to be gone?

[Tonci87 163]

Well just look at the BS going on between Samsung and Apple. Apple sued Samsung because their Tablet looks similiar to the IPad. I have yet to see Samsung dragging Philips or some other TV manufacturer to court because their Flatscreen TVs share the same design.

[vilas 477]

if they will win case - it will be problem, cause anyone can sue anyone, the only matter is - what court will decide

[mrcash2009 0]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/06/internet-violent-extremism-breeding-ground

Internet biggest breeding ground for violent extremism, ministers warn

More propaganda to demonise everything.

Same trick for the last 11-12 years, take worst cases, make them seem like the biggest, then milk it. YAWN.

[vilas 477]

i heard opinions of lawyers that said that : even car's spare parts can be protected by ACTA , so there is possibility to halt not-authorized spare parts for cars, for machines, for home use (including printers' cartridges)

[Q1184 0]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/06/internet-violent-extremism-breeding-ground

Internet biggest breeding ground for violent extremism, ministers warn

More propaganda to demonise everything.

Same trick for the last 11-12 years, take worst cases, make them seem like the biggest, then milk it. YAWN.

"More resources need to be directed to these threats and to preventing radicalisation through the internet and in private spaces. These are the fertile breeding grounds for terrorism."

Apparently they also wouldn't mind installing CCTV in everyone's apartment.

Edited February 7, 2012 by Q1184
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[icebreakr 3157]

"1984" by Orson Wells. 'nuff said.

[vilas 477]

woow... and those "universities"

so it means - rulers (politicians, pupets of banks, pupets of corporations etc.) are against any kind of education that gives people knowledge other than idiot-box tv shows about dance

rulers of the world start to fight against knowledge, they did it by making expensive education (in socialism it was free), so now internet started to be source of sharing knowledge, so they want to destroy it

cause stupid people are easy to steer and rule them

wise people , who know about politicians' lies, tricks etc. are for them too hard to break

so they want fight internet

radicalism - how i love this word in mouths of politicians - for them anyone who not steal and not cheat is radical , those who say how they cheat and steal - are extremists ;)

nowomowa - "newspeak"

they want internet to be another mainstream shit media "let's dance, buy our products" and total disinformation

Edited February 7, 2012 by vilas

[walker 0]

"1984" by Orson Wells. 'nuff said.

Hi all

In reply to IceBreakr: You already have the device it is called a mobile phone. It has a camera, a microphone, GPS Tracking, keylogger, it has access to all your passwords.

The software to facilitate this was was developed by Carrier IQ, for which they hold the patents, the FBI has eschewed to divulge its reason for being trained in the use of the software that activates the covert spying functionality of Carrier IQ, the advertisement on Carrier IQ's site that caused the court case against the software security analyst who discovered it has been removed, as have all the training materials explaining Carrier IQ's hidden functionality, though all that functionality of the software can now be inserted into any app you download. The core program, that controls the Carrier IQ clients on peoples phones, still exists to this day itsp tracks on the internet and across the mobile networks still visible to this day, all the hot air by the media and politicians was for nought.

Via your social media and searches you are so thoroughly profiled that your visas can be refused, your movement restricted, and even jailed or extrajudicialy executed; each of those has happened in the last month.

Like SOPA and PIPA the act cannot be brought in via the confidence trick of elected goverment so democracy is ignored and with signing of a pen by a petty bureaucrat an even worse legislation is enacted via treaty without so much as a reading in an elected chamber. Such evil treaties are enacted everyday to circumvent democracy. How else do you think Kim Dotcom and everyone in his company can be locked up and all his worldly goods confiscated so that his pregnant wife and kids are made destitute without even a court case to pronounce the sentence, what price innocent till proven guilty now? As for all the millions of legal customers of Megaupload let them rot says the courts where in some cases this is months or even years of artists work or businesses records. And this is not the only case, in the UK a Young student faces years in a foreign prison for putting up a website.

All you little lambs walked silently into the slaughter house.

Wake up people the enemy is at the gates!

Kind regards walker

Edited February 7, 2012 by walker

[topas 1]

i read some time ago article in technical newspaper about... so called patent spam

there are lawyers in the world who want to "patent anything" and later demand money in civil courts from people who did similar thing

Have you heard about a ridiculous claim the organizer of the Grammy Awards (National Academy of Recording Arts and Science) had two years ago? They've opened a legal case against a local (Polish) music event. Supposingly, the event was in violation with the patent law, as it's name was "Gramy". Not "GraMMy".."GraMy".. The silly thing about this case is, that "GraMy" is a plural verb and means "WE PLAY" in Polish... Just that... Yet, the NARAS was insistent and willing to carry on with the claim, just because it's phonetically identical/very similar... The Grammy Awards started 1958, the local festival just 4 years ago - for NARAS, a reason enough! Oh, they also wanted the festival to abandon their logo

Someone should patent ancient Greek or Latin and then demand money for all those words and languages being derived from these.. He'd be the richest man on the planet.......

Edited February 7, 2012 by topas

[abs 2]

Someone should patent ancient Greek or Latin and then demand money for all those words and languages being derived from these.. He'd be the richest man on the planet.......

WONDERFUL IDEA! I'm on it. ;)

Abs

[walker 0]

Hi all

It appears the so called illegal sawn-off shotgun that Kim Dotcom was reported to be in possession of when captured according to various sources in the broadcast media cartel never existed. In reality there were two legally licensed shotguns both of which were locked in their gun safe in the houses anti kidnap safe room.

Amazing how often nowadays one has to fact check what suposedly truthfull honnest journalists on the national media report.

It also appears the broadcast media cartel dinosaurs told the kind of fictional story that ensures the FBI enlists the NZ special forces anti terrorist squad in attack helicopters to arrest an overweight techie accused of facilitating copyright theft in his family home.

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/02/megauploads_kim.php

And all because he was about to release the Megabox which is why so many artists supported him.

Disgusted walker

Edited February 7, 2012 by walker

[vilas 477]

heh, mainstream media = biased liars

i would again suggest - get Polish movie from 1981, "war of the worlds, next century" made from Russian novel, english subtitles you will find ;]

just watch the movie how media manipulate people

first they pray someone, next they bash him - it only depends who payed more to journalist (or who is his boss)

http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us_Pessimist-Realist-Optimist-_130447317693.jpg

media can be biggest liar, propaganda, brainwashing machine

media can say things that never happened - to steer voters

or opposite - keep silence about problems - to steer voters too

weakness of democracy is - that the one who own media ?(company, corporation, person, gov.) , always win any election

no matter what happened irl, media can show it , or not, if something not happened, they will use actors (i have seen in Youtube movies showing actors that use ketchup to play wounded or killed during Arab revolutions last time, world have seen killed people, while they were guerrillas with ketchup - this is media )

or do you remember when one word - "by" - was missing in 90s ?

Serbs killed... Albanians, oops, someone missed "by" in broadcast ;)

"Polish death camps" and etc. Hollywood brainwashing about WW2 or mafia (that mafia was only Italian while many gangsters were... you can find it in Youtube if it exist)

ca. 3 years ago one teenager killed boy in Holland for his MP3 player, media told he was Pole, which was not truth, because he was not Polish etc.

some media because of political correctness will never inform about criminal acts commit by some groups (nationality, sexuality, political groups, business groups, other journalists etc.)

i have seen media capsized info myself about 11-11-11 (Independence day) in Warsaw, when people with flags and renactors were attacked by punks and left-wing fighters , but media told that right-side group attacked police etc. i have seen it myself on Krakowskie Przedmieście etc. etc. ;)

when in one country someone murdered 100 people media may keep silence, when in other country someone murdered 2 people, media can tell about it on and on and on... cause they were payed or ordered to do it ,

a lot of things are twisted upside down by media , not only shotgun of mr. server keeper

it depends who hired journalist :( who is his boss, who is friend of his boss (company)

none of journalists who work in one station will say about poisoning manufacturer , cause for example owner of plant is friend of owner of TV station etc.

corruption of judge is very dangerous thing - looking from citizen's point of view

corruption of journalists is much more dangerous - cause noone will find out things that happened somewhere

Edited February 7, 2012 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

If you understand a little bit of German watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHO6a1kMe1Q&feature=player_embedded

Maybe german isn´t really needed you will understand it anyhow if you watch until the end. Make sure to watch until the End. Its brilliant!

Story: A Doku about a boy who wants to participate in dangerous life fire CQB fights somewhere in russia.

[vilas 477]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U0lwxMexxQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U0lwxMexxQ

in Russian and Polish, please find subtitles in English yourself

for Russian speaking people - please watch it

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to Tonci87 while I accept that fake camera shots are used by the media, to further their aims, in this case we are talking about multiple journalistic presenters on National Broadcast TV actively conspiring to lie to the people watching their "News" programs. It is a whole order of magnitude above the ITV's mistaken choosing of the wrong video file off YouTube.

Kind Regards walker

[Tonci87 163]

@Vilas I would like to watch it, but I can´t find english subs.

@Walker, did you watch the whole thing? Its not only about fake camera shots, but about making up a whole story and manipulating the viewer

[vilas 477]

i use google by typing "war of the worlds, next century" and "english subtitles" :

http://www.opensubtitles.org/en/subtitles/3170794/wojna-swiatow-nastepne-stulecie-en

[walker 0]

Hi all

In reply to Tonci87 the key word is conspire, it was not just one journalist in one broadcast media outlet in one country. It was multiple journalists from multiple broadcast outlets in multiple countries. If it had been just one journalist spouting the lie one could perhaps put it down to them being too stupid to do their job and check the facts; but it was not, as I say it was reported by multiple journalists from multiple broadcast media outlets in what can only be described as a concerted effort, by elements of the broadcast media to conspire to try Kim Dotcom in the media and thus tip the scales of justice to their own financial advantage and prevent Kim Dotcom from having a fair trial.

As I said it is far more serious than the ITV case or indeed any other single instance of a program skewing the news because it involves people communicating to release a common view that was totaly fictional and prejudicial to a defendant in a criminal case to which the broadcast media is party. Ipso facto there is a prima facie case for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice.

Kind regards walker

Edited February 7, 2012 by walker

[nettrucker 142]

The mainstream media all over the world is controlled. They publish what they are told to. They lie to influence public opinion and the worst is . . . they succeed. The bigger the lie, the easier to sell it to the public. Unfortunately the things I'm perceiving are really mind boggling. I'm trying to see the whole picture . . . connected all the dots after the research I did and it scares the shit out of me for being honest.

[vilas 477]

have you seen this movie ?

regarding lies about ACTA :

Polish gov. published to whom project was consulted - from documents it seems that opposite to other law regulations - it was not consulted with third parties than beneficent

ACTA in PL was consulted only with beneficent (business software alliance, producers of software, etc.)

usual way of proceeding in Poland is that any legal act is consulted with all ministries, all central offices (urzędy centralne), social organizations, and published on websites of ministry (which regulates area)

but there was exclusion from those rules of consulting project

another thing about media - what "West" knows about my country (only as example of media):

in wiki there is unemployment rate 9%, in real it is 13% + 5% of population which emigrated

priminister of PL in European Parliament told that MINIMAL wage "to hand" (without taxes, net, not gross) is 400 EU in PL

which is total lie, cause minimal wage "full time" to hand is 250 EU , it is 350 EU gross (-100 EU taxes)

so look at this simple example : European people get info (if they watch it) that "most poor Pole earns 400 EU to his hand", which is total bullshit, and noone of journalists (except underground press) told about lie

i used this example not to tell about economy here, but to tell about media behavior

if "their" politician (banks puppet, corporations puppet, EU commission puppet) will say "white is black, black is white, water boils at 50 degree celsius, 2+2=5, winter is hot, summer is cold" than for media everything is okay and they will be keep on informing "look , you have +15 outside window now, not -15"

the problem is that at least 30% of people will buy it :(

why ?

when you will look at IQ statistics you will see something very unkind, people with IQ below 90 there is 1/3rd :(

people with IQ above 109 there is only 20 %

where is the problem ? these 30% are voters too, they will see in mainstream media "for whom i should vote" and they will do anything what such media will tell them, they will even eat crap watching "look how they dance"

thats why i once again suggest to watch movie that i linked, it is really worthy to see how media works, Martians drinking blood are just metaphor

education is their enemy , thats why on the west you have to pay for it big money, thats why ACTA aims to destroy "copies" of books, movies, documents using other movies etc.

thats why they use words like "extremism, radicalism" connected with "universities" (from Walker)

because university is place where young men "knows more" , so they want to limit number of those who know more (pay for education, pay for book, pay for documents, pay more for printer cartridge, pay more or take credit in bank, i finished university as poor man, i haven't pay for university, i haven't pay for books, i copied them if i had to, i was borrowing them, i was borrowing from library etc. and i had scholarship for good marks, so not only paid but i gained thanx to scholarship, and thanx to this from poverty i can climb to middle class, but they want to deprive you from this possibility , Martin already told about his financial efforts to pay for university, others here have to enlist to army and die in war to be able to go to university :/ no-one told me to go to war to be able to pay for it , due to ACTA we can have in future more expensive books, more expensive cartridges, more expensive clothes etc. )

it is not about copyrights , it is about two issues:

- if you not have money, take credit in bank, banks will earn again, be bank slave,

- if you want to know more and you not have money, you won't know more , your horizon will be limited by idiot-box,

protect your right to education, cause brain is as muscles, it must be trained to work :]

let idiot-box and mainstream media will not convince you that 2+2 makes 5

ACTA-like regulations are only one drop in sea, the sea full of drops which takes away your right to knowledge about "truth"

fight with counterpart cartridges for printer is first step to make home printing more expensive, second step is that student will have to collect money somehow to get material which now he prints from PDF, if he will not be able to do it, he will not graduate, he will not get higher and "elites" will be reserved only for "families", step back to feudalism

website lock because of user - another cenzorship of knowledge

cause every-time you want to prove that politician lied - you must take record from his speech in TV (i say about movies on Youtube in which people compare truth and statement of politician)

so you "use" somebody's "intellectual property" of another TV station

so ... Youtube will start to afraid of keeping such movies

so ... you will not be able to prove anything

cause "you cannot use speech from x-th of January 2012 of primeminister cause it belongs to XYZ tv station and XYZ not allows to use it"

this is nothing more than pure censorship

we already had such situation in Poland year ago

i wrote about it 3 times here, so i will repeat 4-th time

one man collected speeches of one politician and made movie showing lies of this politician

but movie was canceled from Youtube because material "belongs to ITI group" (guy used speeches and interviews in one TV station, and this TV station supports one party )

so movie was deleted from Youtube, you cannot see how politcian lied to people , because it also was "intellectual property"

do you know what now happens in PL ? our banks agreed to "help IMF" and from my taxes i will have to support rich German and French banks, and whole international money found !!

do you think media told about it ?

no

from 2 weeks media say everyday about accident in which one mother probably caused death of her kid

media are full of "miss. X daughter body was found"

the same time banks made agreement to support euro (we are not in euro and 70-80% of people are against euro)

we will give 6.3 bilion euro :( noone told about it except some not-mainstream websites (mostly very right-wing)

probably in some of your countries you not had such situation... yet

but you will have

watch movie that i linked above, kindly please ;)

Edited February 8, 2012 by vilas

[mondkalb 1087]

Its not only about fake camera shots, but about making up a whole story and manipulating the viewer

Wag the Dog (1997) comes to my mind.

[mrcash2009 0]

Apparently they also wouldn't mind installing CCTV in everyone's apartment.

Indeed, but isn't that permanent connected phone, webcams, dekstop HD units & Kinetic boxes for upgrades? :) After all its all hackable and backdoor friendly.

The whole thing is a joke, and a absolute push to crack down on anything "deemed" "radical" to authority, which is pretty much anything that says the opposite, whistle-blowers, investigative journalists, free press, and well anything outing the "game".

Utter bollocks the entire show, and as for "Anonymous" they are hacking some real hi level things at the moment and that whole outfit daily gets me chin stroking on just how much this group seems to be getting access to and seemingly getting away with to help build a case against it all, just a complete stage show. Like al-Queda demon for the interwebz managing to foil almost all security (it seems) a bit like Norad being completely fooled years ago in the "real world".

But hey, that's just me and how I see it.

The only real way to stop this is to boycot with the pocket and that would mean people pulling from ISP's and letting them crash to dust financial esp if they bring in the whole track your finances gig through ISP and so on, but its been built to be too reliable for everyone now, works like a charm.

Edited February 8, 2012 by mrcash2009

[vilas 477]

Wag the Dog ?

so this Polish movie from 1981 i linked before is similar ;)

in Wag the Dog media make fictional war to avoid talking about scandal with president candidate

in movie i linked there is following situation:

- Martians came to earth, they are drinking human blood,

- media are making from Martians best human friends and say to love Martians,

- one journalist leading news have enough of lies, he tries to tell truth about Martians,

- police abuses him, he lost home etc. his wife is killed,

- journalist finds possibility to speak to bigger audience during one festival and tries to convince people about the truth, he is beaten by police, finally journalist gets imprisoned,

- Martians are leaving earth

- media now say how bad were Martians and execute journalist as mankind traitor

the movie is also about hate against television ;)

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you say about boycott products ?

the problem is how to do it, cause when your kid wants to have mascot of Winnie the pooh, you also pay tribute to Warner or other company which owns copyright (while inheritors of original author get 1 or 2 %), when your kid wants milk with painted Cinderella , you also do it :/

they patented copyrights to almost everything, so now when somebody would try to make orange bear mascot he can be sued too ,

i don't know how it looks in USA, but in Poland when you buy:

- printer's cartridge

- bureau paper

- empty DVD or CD

some percent goes to ZAIKS, ZPAV etc. (business alliances named "authors" which in real means "producers, companies and few old musicians that noone listens to since 30 years" )

so even when you buy white paper and one CD, your money goes to guys from "producers alliance" etc.

so to boycott them for example in my country you would have to avoid any teddy bears, any t-shirt, any paper, any disc :|

maybe in USA you don't pay % from your shopping to such business alliances, we do

we pay (although 90% avoids it) for having TV or radio set "abonament" (for sure it is the same in Germany afaik),

seller pays when you buy from him empty CD and paper (they wanted to tax more CD-recorders, DVD-Recorders)

do you know that when there is wedding and someone plays music you must also give money to ZAIKS, STOART, ZPAV... (Polish producers business association)

so you cannot dance on wedding without paying producers and copyright-owners (at least according to law)

i read once upon a time forum on which one wedding-musician told that they had to pay 10% for such corporations which associates producers

according to the current law you even should pay money when you do party in your home:

http://forum.di.com.pl/archive/index.php/t-1465.html?lr=1 (in Polish)

so few private companies (business associations) try to tax people, like they were state organization :/

so such corporation which keeps artist by neck, not only earns when you buy CD with music or movie, they earn when you buy teddy bear and empty CD too and sue you when you make party at your room

Edited February 8, 2012 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

Yeah in Germany we have the GEMA and GEZ to get people rid of their money......

The Gema once charged a kindergarden because they were collecting money by singing at the door and some of the songs they were singing have a GEMA copyright. Totaly stupid....

[onlyrazor 11]

Yeah in Germany we have the GEMA and GEZ to get people rid of their money......

The Gema once charged a kindergarden because they were collecting money by singing at the door and some of the songs they were singing have a GEMA copyright. Totaly stupid....

I'd insert a "Kopyright macht frei" type of text, but I'm afraid to do so since I'd probably get sued for slogan infringement or somesuch :p

Also, completely tasteless joke even without the copyright infringement.