How about a new AI Please

[bravo409 13]

This Ai sucks they see though everything,they know where you go when you run from them magically. They standup in the middle of a fire fight,they dont listen to what you say and engage at there time of chosing this AI sucks I and all the people that play this game Demand better AI an not some stupid fix here an there the Ai makes the game not the sound and the mods...dont get me wrong mods and sounds are awsome the oneS I have used but Ai SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:PLEASE FIX THEM FOR THE SAKE OF THE GAME. THANKS

[NeMeSiS 11]

Edited April 6, 2011 by NeMeSiS

[Zipper5 74]

Yes, BIS will write up a new AI, stick it in a box and mail it to you ASAP. Allow for up to 2 business days for delivery. :)

As a little bit of helpful advice, calm down, try to use proper punctuation, and make your criticisms concise and constructive. People will take you more seriously as a result, and will be more inclined to help/listen to you.

[Posta 10]

Well the AI can be both wonderfull and terrible. Agreed. But it's gettin' better and better IMO.

[metalcraze 290]

So AI sucks because it isn't dumb, deaf and blind?

Dude please, in another thread you wrote that you run around in front of AI that's looking for you and then complain that AI spots you "through everything"

they know where you go

Yes if you run to the right AI should instead watch your left hand side lol

[kuIoodporny 45]

Play PvP, I think about going back there.

[Gunter Severloh 4051]

AI Compilation List

Compilation List of Addons/Mods/Scripts that Enhance the AI

MODS

Driving AI Fix

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6882

Dynamic Sound AI (RUG DSAI)

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6092

Dynamic Shouts

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10584

Radio Discipline

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8986&highlight=AI+MODS

Infantry Stealth and Recognition Skills

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9604

Zeus AI Combat Skills & AI Spotting modular

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8250

Zeus AI Combat Skills & AI Spotting modular - ACE

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8688&highlight=AI+ADDONS

ASR AI Rearming

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12246&highlight=AI+ADDONS

ASR AI Skills

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12105

RMM_AI_Range

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8510

AI First Aid Support

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13841&highlight=AI+ADDONS

Cent Stick2gether

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6416&highlight=AI+ADDONS

Copy My Stance

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8484&highlight=AI+ADDONS

Mechanized Infantry Tactics Addon

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13199

All Round Defence

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12815

SLX mod

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=7045&highlight=SLX

AI Dispersion for Mounted MG's

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9712

Group Link 4 Special FX Edition

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8848&highlight=GL4

Dynamic-AI-Creator (DAC)

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10621&highlight=AI+ADDONS

GLT Dynamic AI

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8519&highlight=AI+ADDONS

Scripts

AI Artillery Framework v1.00

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=8421

AI Convoy Script

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9975

AI respawn group patrol area using UPS

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6540

AI vehicle respawn move to waypoints

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6542

AI vehicle respawn patrol area using UPS

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6543

AIsoldierFlare

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13796

Artillery AI

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10879

cB AI Unit Caching Demo

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10102

Combined AI Arty

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=10534

Editor based AI script by trigger

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=7074

Random House Patrol

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6078

Advanced House Patrol Script

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13195

Reinforcements

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6653

Squad Management Script

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9209

UPSMON-Urban Patrol Script

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=9213

Urban Patrol Script

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=6053

AI Recruitment

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12113

cB Random House Position and Patrol

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=11089

JTD Building Search script

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13130

SR5 Tactical IED Detection and Ordnance Disposal

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=13216

Zonekiller's AI Vehicle Control System

http://www.armaholic.com/page.php?id=12532

Forum Threads

FlexiAI (WIP)

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=88194

Arma 2 - ai first aid support

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=111819&highlight=support

Commanding AI

[GUIDE] AI Squad Command

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=81123

Comprehensive and In-Depth guide to commanding your AI squad

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=107231

If I have missed any please let me know then I will update the list.

Edited April 17, 2011 by Gnter Severloh
Updated List

[ArmAriffic 10]

BIS are working on better AI, try SLX mod, IMO the best AI

[bravo409 13]

number 1 I don't run to the ai I run from them in another direction before they get a full beat on me. Here is what I did,I set some opfor squad down the road with waypoints coming my direction I move up the hill FILLED with BUSHES and I'm wearing a ghili suit that matches the color of the area around me using the ghili suit script. I then set up for the shot, I shoot hit he's down and now there alerted I move to another location in prone position and take a second shot. I shoot hit he's also down now there firing my way I quickly move with out them seeing me in PRONE position and they start firing closer to me and closer then finally I run though real thick bush and try and hide but they track me down. By the way I took both shots 300ms away with silenced TAC50 snd sd rounds. So now that pissed me off.

[froggyluv 2135]

I'm wearing a ghili suit that matches the color of the area around me using the ghili suit script..

Never heard of this? Could you point me to where you found it?

[metalcraze 290]

I then set up for the shot, I shoot hit he's down and now there alerted I move to another location in prone position and take a second shot. I shoot hit he's also down now there firing my way I quickly move with out them seeing me in PRONE position and they start firing closer to me and closer

So what's the problem?

Also how do you know they don't see you moving? Because you don't see them?

then finally I run though real thick bush and try and hide but they track me down.

So did you run in the end after all?

silenced TAC50 snd sd rounds

So the modder weapon?

Not mentioning that silenced TAC-50 is still pretty loud IRL

Edited April 7, 2011 by metalcraze

[rangerpl 13]

number 1 I don't run to the ai I run from them in another direction before they get a full beat on me. Here is what I did,I set some opfor squad down the road with waypoints coming my direction I move up the hill FILLED with BUSHES and I'm wearing a ghili suit that matches the color of the area around me using the ghili suit script. I then set up for the shot, I shoot hit he's down and now there alerted I move to another location in prone position and take a second shot. I shoot hit he's also down now there firing my way I quickly move with out them seeing me in PRONE position and they start firing closer to me and closer then finally I run though real thick bush and try and hide but they track me down. By the way I took both shots 300ms away with silenced TAC50 snd sd rounds. So now that pissed me off.

The human eye looks for movement... you were "quickly moving".

Do you think ghillie suits turn you invisible?

Edit: If you're such a genius, write a new AI yourself. I'm sure BIS would appreciate it. Until then, please be quiet. The ARMA AI is far more sophisticated than that in any other game (because most FPS's are corridor shooters). It's immensely complicated, and it works.

In fact, BIS's AI is one of the few "true" AIs in any game. The enemies in CoD, etc... they all follow scripted routines. This, however, works on any island, with any weapons, against all kinds of opponents. It's not perfect but what it lacks in "illusion" (scripted routines making bots look like intelligent enemies), it makes up for in versatility.

Edited April 7, 2011 by RangerPL

[That guy 10]

im sure we can all sit here an spout off a list of 50 things we would like to see the AI do/improve, but we do have to acknowledge just how sophisticated these AIs really are.

they may look dumb, lack any grace or charm, but they really are very impressive.

they are also misunderstood. when they get things right, people call them cheaters with x ray vision, and when they fail people decry it as horrible or broken.

[msy 22]

I suggest you go to cornfield in podagorsk, where you can play hide-and-seek with AI.

In nowadays version of ARMA2, If you say AI can still see everything, there are two possible reasons:

1. the map has some visual issues

2. you expose yourself

Of course, I think the AI's memory for your movement should get some fix. Especially for some bad weather (heavy fog or rain or snow or sand storm etc.) or dark night and rainforest, AI should be more easy to lose your way.

Edited April 7, 2011 by msy

[-)rStrangelove 0]

There's this hide addon from DWarwick i think, perfect for snipers. Still, running will give your position easily.

[maturin 12]

Not mentioning that silenced TAC-50 is still pretty loud IRL

Thanks for posting that. I was shocked by how quiet ACE's version was. But I suppose their sounds are rather subdued in any case.

More important than sound, did you see the huge quantity of smoke that shot put out? With .50 snipers, the visual component will force you to displace every time, and not at a sprint, ffs.

[metalcraze 290]

I'm also relatively sure that smoke does give away your position to AIs as it does to humans.

[hellfire257 3]

300m is pretty close also - for me at least.

[mr.g-c 6]

While i disagree with the tone of the OP, i agree to his complaints.

The points he listed are still among the most annoying AI Bugs since OFP or Arma1.

Yes, we all do indeed know that Armas AI is not scripted like in most other todays games, but Jesus H Christ, these annoying things must be able to be fixed.

An no, the solution is not to get used to it (even if you do automatically over time), they should be fixed, period.

[bravo409 13]

Finally someone agrees with my complaints...These are very important complaints in the fact that the bluefor AI should work with you and listen other wise they just die quick....I usually snipe at 800 to 1000m away but I want to try different experiments to see how the Ai works an understand why they do what they do. You see I have tested Zeus Ai and found it to be to much the Ai really knew every move you make the flanking was great but they saw me 800m out not only that I shot and moved in prone position and ask anyone they can not and shouldn't see that far unless they have a scope or binoculars. GL4 was good but seem to give a to sight at night along slx only good thing about slx is the firstaid and different animation and blood effects. I have tested both Ai will Ace Ai as well to see a difference and it really mad them to aware where a silenced rifle would give you away at 300m and I understand its not that silent but 300 m is pretty far muffle the sound pretty good and not give away your position. Also I found with the AI hey know what buildings you go to even if you slip out the back and enter another building out of there site. So don't kill the messenger I'm just reporting my frustrations and others that have seen these things happen..Night vision is really bad one they dont nvgs and they some how know just where to shoot. So review my complaints and see for yourselves

[coopr 10]

How about stop trying to make constant changes to the ai. I have seen enough changes and improvements. Your playing against COMPUTER controlled enemys they are and will never be as clever and unpredictable as HUMAN controlled enemys. Please bis pick up features from dev heaven that will improve pvp gameplay!

[metalcraze 290]

Bravo, stop whining. Your "all seeing AI" points were proven false once again in that "X-Ray vision" thread. AI doesn't magically see you unless you yourself make it see you.

( http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=99919&page=9 )

Learn to play the game.

Geez I don't know how bad you play that AI gives you a trouble even from 800m. I snipe AIs from 500m at Takistan which is a bit of a desert without any silencers and they die a lot before they finally manage to find and suppress me enough.

An no, the solution is not to get used to it (even if you do automatically over time), they should be fixed, period.

Get used to what?

My only problems with AI right now is that it's too blind for my taste. Vanilla AI won't even spot an enemy chopper hovering 1 km away. At least Zeus AI helps that

Edit: I just launched an editor

Takistan, dropped an enemy patrol 450-500m away from me on a road, used the default time (16:20)

Took Force Recon sniper (no ghillie), grabbed a non-silenced M110 which is quite loud, went onto a hill without any bushes at all, went prone there. Killed a few guys. Missed a lot. Fired like 50 shots in total. AI never managed to spot me. They were looking in all directions, did a few shots here and there, in the end they just ran away behind another hill. They never even looked into my direction or tried to advance on me.

That's with Zeus AI (that knows your every move © ) and AI skill 0.99

All I did is just lying on that empty hill, shooting. Am I a Master Of Stealth or something?

I mean that isn't even funny. The AI was blind as a bat there. And deaf. Why would you want to make it even worse?

Your playing against COMPUTER controlled enemys they are and will never be as clever and unpredictable as HUMAN controlled enemys. Please bis pick up features from dev heaven that will improve pvp gameplay!

Actually it uses better tactics than PvP players on every public PvP server I've played. And yes it doesn't TK you if that's what you mean by a human unpredictability.

Edited April 7, 2011 by metalcraze

[maturin 12]

.Night vision is really bad one they dont nvgs and they some how know just where to shoot. So review my complaints and see for yourselves

The AI in the aware state does have quite good night vision sans NVGs, but this is somewhat necessary balance. Otherwise you could walk all over them.

And really, seeing muzzle flashes at night is a lot easier than scanning an entire hillside full of foliage for a camouflaged shooter in broad daylight.

[igneous01 19]

ai were ok pre 1.59. they were hard to fight against and challenging

but now that 1.59 is out - holy shit - the ai is now amazing

Now that findcover has been fixed, the ai always search out for cover and engage from cover. It happens all the time and its consistent now, Zeus ai is not even needed anymore either. AI actually surpress you now too.

Im so glad that the ai are working with cover now - this just makes the game so much better and challenging

THANK YOU BIS FOR THIS UPDATE!

[-=seany=- 5]

I dont want to offend anyone because I appreciate all the work that is done on Arma by BIS, they have stellar after market support and interaction with the community. But....

I don't know about anyone else, but I play Coop exclusively (DOM, Evo, CTI etc) and have done since OFP. I have to be honest and say that the AI I fight in towns now are no different at all to fight against than the AI in Arma1. They do the odd new thing, like use there m203 launchers (a bit too often and at the wrong times mostly no less, but still it's nice to be shelled :) ) but for the most part they seem to me to be identical.

Basically I think we have had enough AI tweaking for now and I would like to really see more content fixes, like texture bugs/ island bugs/ building bugs/ graphical glitches/ vehicle bugs /weapons systems etc fixed. Not that they arnt looking at them now, they are. Just more of it would be good, especially in favour of AI fixes.

That's just my opinion :)

PS. I also don't think the AI are that bad, they have their limitations but the fact they provide as good of a fight as they do testify to how good they are. Especially compared to any other game out there.

Edited April 8, 2011 by -=seany=-