Libyan Air-force ordered to bomb protesters

[Beagle 684]

Wasn't it only fairly recently the case that the UK released the Lockerbie bomber in order to gain favour with the Libyan government?

This whole thing makes releasing him seem pretty pointless now...

Thats politics and that changes daily. Next year Ghadaffi is everybodies (exept the US) darling again if he manages to hold out a bit longer. This is not the first time someone is bombing Lybia.

[eble 3]

F15 crashed or shot down?

Reports indicate the pilots ejected at high altitude? why would they do that for mechanical failure?

what do you guys think?

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

The F-15 could've been shot down, you don't eject due to mechanical failure at high altitudes; both pilots safe.

Libya:

March 21 thread: http://forum.janeysnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=744

Current thread: http://forum.janeysnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=781

You want to post there, NO POLITIC bickering.

[Beagle 684]

F15 crashed or shot down?

Reports indicate the pilots ejected at high altitude? why would they do that for mechanical failure?

what do you guys think?

I think that there is a policy in denying US aircraft actually beeing shot down for 10 years now...we all know that the US simply operates bad maintenanced aircraft that fall out of the sky all by themselfs al aroudn the globe but are never shot down because the propaganda says US aircraft can't be shot down.

[Big Mac 19]

I think that there is a policy in denying US aircraft actually beeing shot down for 10 years now...we all know that the US simply operates bad maintenanced aircraft that fall out of the sky all by themselfs al aroudn the globe but are never shot down because the propaganda says US aircraft can't be shot down.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic....

[Colossus 2]

U.S. fighter jet crashes in Libya.

It's already been confirmed that they are safetly out of Libya. But I understand they won't reveal anything before they, the pilots, are out of harms way.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

U.S. fighter jet crashes in Libya.

It's already been confirmed that they are safetly out of Libya. But I understand they won't reveal anything before they, the pilots, are out of harms way.

UN resolution now allows for the boots on the ground with alive pilots because of the crash, at least in theory.

[Tonci87 163]

This Plane crashed over Rebel territory, yes?

I for myself think that the plane might accidentaly be shoot down by the rebels. If this is the case, I wouldn´t be surprised that the US doesn´t want to admit it.

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

argh... edited link

I hope this link is okay in its place, a recommended google search ;)

http://www.google.com/search?q=reuters+ap+photos+libya&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

ap photos

Libyan rebels

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/libya032111/s_l32_10503143.jpg

that's a big bullet :oops:

http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/libya032111/s_l20_20018895.jpg

Edited March 22, 2011 by [DirTyDeeDs]-Ziggy-

[Colossus 2]

Seening how many planes the rebel forces has been able to shoot down since this all began, it is highly unlikely that this is the case.

By now they also should know that the airspace above them is UN/NATO controlled.

Having crashed in rebel controlled territory does not necessarly mean they were out of Gaddafi's AA-zone, even though I assume jets try to avoid direct contact with areas of suspected/confirmed AA emplacements. Or they might have been damaged or technical problems before hand and decided to go in the direction of friendly forces, before having to ditch the plane.

For me the alternatives looks more likely then being shot down by rebel AA for the time being, but that is of course something we do not know right now.

EDIT: You might want to remove that first link, Ziggy.

Edited March 22, 2011 by colossus

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

yeah, thanks.

its a shame, out of 20 good images one or two force me to remove the link :(

[1in1class 0]

Well here is an first for me on the Offtopic post, and here is an first for China in libiyan water as in the mediterian sea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9wgjxO7JtY If you ask me in this conflict with Libya we should not even be in. As them protesters are mostly terrorist, as in what protester takes guns to protest? Yet most of the UN help as for foreign nation help have pulled out. They dont know who is good or what is what over there as the facts on Gadhafi's actions and role are not clear, as same for the US actions in libiya for most nations.

Edited March 22, 2011 by 1in1class

[JdB 151]

If they punched out at high altitude (cruising altitude is 4000m IIRC) it can't have been rebel AA, as the only air defence weapons they have are the ZU-23-2 and Strela-2/3. None can touch a target that is above 2500m.

[Spokesperson 0]

Six Libyan villagers shot by US team rescuing pilot

http://www.channel4.com/news/third-night-of-bombing-in-libya/

Humanitarian mission to stop civilian casualties. Just like the "diplomatic" team which was arrested with four passports, guns and explosives.

[whisper 0]

From the very same report :

In the latest clashes, Gaddafi forces are using heavy artillery in an attempt to wrest control of the mountain town of Zintan, near the border with Tunisia and 120 kilometres (75 miles) southwest of Tripoli.

Gaddhafi not firing on his own people, hu? :rolleyes:

[Spokesperson 0]

Of course, they are shooting rebels. There is a civil war.

[whisper 0]

That doesn't matter. Media and the rebels are known to lie. Afterall it's a war and they are on one side, not both.

If there is no proof there is no reason to believe it. It was just a construction to allow for an invasion.

Just for reference, then...

From very same report :

In Misrata, the death toll from fighting on Monday had reached 40; among the dead were several children, according to reports.

Gaddhafi is the good guy not shooting his own people == lie as well

[Spokesperson 0]

People die in the crossfire, it is not a crime. Nobody targets children on purpose.

They probably count dead rebels as civilians if they don't have a uniform.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

The government of Libya isn't deliberately targeting civilians.

......erm.... wat? SERIOUSLY?

If he isn't deliberately targeting them he certainly isn't doing anything to keep them safe either. He's been targeting civilians for years just not in open warfare. Lets not forget that this whole thing started because Libyan government security forces opened fire on a peaceful protest in Benghazi at the orders of Gadaffi's son.

[Spokesperson 0]

It's wrong to shoot unarmed civilians, but then it could be propaganda like everything else. Protesters might have been armed all the time.

[jakerod 254]

It's wrong to shoot unarmed civilians, but then it could be propaganda like everything else. Protesters might have been armed all the time.

Everything might be propaganda including all the stuff that you read that supports your claims.

[whisper 0]

People die in the crossfire, it is not a crime.

Saving this one for your next report on coalition fire on civvies, then.

[NoRailgunner 0]

Ah Spokesperson what took you so long - too much brainwash or a counter-revultionary ban? Thought you were switching sides - you know the darkside is still full of nasty + horny girls... :D

[Minutemen 10]

Six Libyan villagers shot by US team rescuing pilot

http://www.channel4.com/news/third-n...bing-in-libya/

What an hypocrisy. That makes me sick.

Oh, by the way. Before i forget, and maybee sometimes we forget that we are involved in two other wars already.

US Army ‘kill team’ in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians

I link the guardian because some other news sites show the pictures and they look realy sick. Some sick psychos kneeing above an dead civilian, maybee just a kid, and feeling himself realy maaaanly. Yeah! America! Coca Cola Case and Jeans for Afghans, and Iraqis, and now for lybians.

[TechnoTerrorist303 10]

It's wrong to shoot unarmed civilians, but then it could be propaganda like everything else. Protesters might have been armed all the time.

If they were then there's a very very good chance it was in self defence against a regime that controls dissent and protest through torture, kidnapping and threat of violence against family. From the reports I've been reading it looks like they were not armed at the start and then the police started shooting them because the protest went on for too long. I have no idea why they would need to do that though since the UK has been selling Libya tear gas, stun guns and water cannon for years.

Also, I chuckled at the reports of the US rescue mission shooting 6 Libyans. Don't get me wrong, I find it disgusting but maybe they got bored with not having any British troops to shoot at?