CM Operation Flashpoint 3 announced | "Oops, they're doing it again..."

[Baff1 0]

I notice Baff1 one hasn't been banned to hell and back. I wonder if a similar thread or user would last as long on the CM forums?

I've never had any trouble on the CM boards either.

Threads like this just ran and ran and ran and went on for hundreds of pages.

And then you would have guys on this board quoting them here and guys on their boards quoting posts from over here...

Sometimes such threads their boards would reduce into a miserable fanboy flame fest, and othertimes the equivalent thread on this board would.

Broadly speaking I find the moderation on both to be excellent.

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Are you familiar with the word "automatically"? I was commenting on how you have to download OFP DR missions by hand, which is bullshit.

There is some fanbased mod stickied in their forums that enables auto downloading of user made missions.

Although in truth I have yet to find one worth the effort.

They don't have a mission editor available for console players. So this isn't an area of the game I expect them to devote much time to.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Baff1

[Pulverizer 1]

There is some fanbased mod stickied in their forums that enables auto downloading of user made missions.

Although in truth I have yet to find one worth the effort.

That's not what I mean by "auto-downloading". It's an external program which downloads all missions from a moderated repository. It's more akin to running Yoma addon sync or Six updater, only, it downloads a mission collection instead of addons.

If there was thousands of missions, like the original OFP... you'd download all of those, instead of the 1 you needed.

That would be completely useless say I wanted to play a stupid mission I threw together in 5 minutes in the editor, with a friend.

[metalcraze 290]

I for one appreciated the lack of JIP. It makes for more organized gaming by grouping the players before the mission begins and gives them the chance to discuss about it. Also, it pretty much forces more focused and realistic missions (ie, not stupid pseudo-rpg missions with infinite respawn that last 10 hours real time).

Except it isn't as one dimensional. It was really bad in OFP coops when someone was getting disconnected and sometimes had to wait for hours until everyone finished the mission. OFP wasn't always stable as you know.

Same with OA now - it does crash sometimes for people and JIP is a real saviour when you have an organized coop which isn't present in abundance these days.

[Pulverizer 1]

I find the obvious downsides worth it. JIP does not help me when there's no mission being played I would consider worth JIP'ping into.

I'm not suggesting Arma should have JIP removed or criticizing BIS here at all, so don't get all defensive over nothing, people (I do find it very cute though). I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't mind if Codemasters didn't add JIP for OFP Red River.

[MrBump 10]

I've never had any trouble on the CM boards either.

Threads like this just ran and ran and ran and went on for hundreds of pages.

And then you would have guys on this board quoting them here and guys on their boards quoting posts from over here...

Sometimes such threads their boards would reduce into a miserable fanboy flame fest, and othertimes the equivalent thread on this board would.

Not really the reason for the bannings, the fanboy flaming started well before the games release and there weren't mass bannings, yes people were saying 'Arma sux and DR roolz' before DR was even released. However when the game came out many were pissed as they felt they had been lied to, this included the aforementioned people, and the mods were obviously told to crackdown after it got out of hand.

[froggyluv 2135]

So if for you the enjoyment of one soldier game prohibits the enjoyment of any other, that's your affair. Me? I like soldier games.

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Same here. I am well aware of both the shortcomings of DR and the blood feud between the developers but at the end of the day, I like soldier games more. I've been gaming for the better part of 30 years and don't buy many games, when I do, it may be for just one feature that I like to play despite many other flaws in the game. GTA4, bought it to drive around and smash sh*t up- period. Played it for 2 days tops and have never loaded it again and doubt i ever will.

DR does some nice things with infantry and uses interiors somewhat better than Arma and that is a feature I REALLY enjoy. Arma - huge landscape, insane modibility and many toys to fly/drive etc... and that I also enjoy.

If the new DR has a primarily urban landscape with lots of CQB, increased it's unit limit and hopefully added freelook, I will be interested enough to check it out.

[Mr Butlertron 10]

Just to say, I think Arma series has a huge amount of problems and that the community here is ridiculously defensive over it, but this....:

http://uk.xbox360.ign.com/articles/111/1110533p1.html

whereas last time out the watchwords were authenticity and of a game that's "as close to war as you'd want to get," this time the talk is of Left 4 Dead and Nintendo's approach to game design.

"We've made sure that earlier levels in the game look like earlier levels in the Call of Duties and Bad Companies so as not to alienate the player,"

One thing that'll be welcomed by the console shooter crowd is improved gun handling that's more fluid and thankfully more helpful in the heat of battle.

At long range there's now a sticky aim that slows the reticule as it passes over enemies, while at mid-range there's a snap-to-aim that'll be familiar to any Call of Duty veterans and finally get up close and personal and there's Red River's equivalent of the z-lock, keeping the players sights on the target as they strafe around.

There's no competitive multiplayer

Burn it.

"I find it quite unsettling with Medal of Honor. I'm not sure if I want to play as the Taliban shooting American soldiers" says Sion

"I'm not going to go in there and spout about how great our game's going to be and that it's got great IED tech, it's not appropriate at all."

also wtf? Get off your high horse, you pious prat. Your last game let you kill US soldiers as part of an oppressive Communist regime. Don't moralize to us.

[That guy 10]

@ mr butletron:

a NICE... find

i think we can safely say that FPDR 2 is not going to be real competition to arma. i think that may well improve the game. make it more linear and more actiony like a certain game that was named after a kind of fish....

so now that we know this, lets just leave FPDR2 alone.

and our first glimpse of the target renders... seriously, why do they bother? why not just take a few photos and call those "targets"?

FPDR FPDR FPDR

[von_paulus 0]

Like the predecessor FPDR , the PC version, will be a console port.

I suppose it will have a limited entity number, no lean, no real multiplayer PvP... it will be more urban, that's all. I bet this will be the last version for PC.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Von_Paulus

[metalcraze 290]

So basically it will be a L4D (only coop for a small group, no PvP) mixed with CoD in corridors and it has OFP in its title?

LOL

Codemasters just realized that they can only compete with primitive corridor console shooters that play all the same, unable to handle the real OFP scale and all.

[Pulverizer 1]

O RLY? Stop the press! :rolleyes:

I thought it was common knowledge well before its release that even OFP DR 1 was never even supposed to be a competitor to Arma. I recall calling that myself too, that Codemasters aren't in the business of making games for small niches.

[maruk 80]

O RLY? Stop the press! :rolleyes:

I thought it was common knowledge well before its release that even OFP DR 1 was never even supposed to be a competitor to Arma. I recall calling that myself too, that Codemasters aren't in the business of making games for small niches.

Really?

I suggest you to return in time a bit more... It was supposed to be the definite Arma killer and real replacement of Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis / Resistance...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sir_polaris/2746843045/sizes/o/in/photostream/

This is a preview from 2007 for Dragon Rising:

To quote:

THE LOWDOWN:

+ The most realistic war simulator ever

+ 220 sq. km of practically true-to-life environment

+ Insanely complex weapon and vehicle design

+ Remains true to the Flashpoint vision

- Not being made by the original developers

But yes, it looks like they never made it in the end and that Red River is probably no longer striving to compete directly with the original OFP or Arma series.

(btw: rest in peace, PC Zone...)

[max power 21]

Are you familiar with the word "automatically"? I was commenting on how you have to download OFP DR missions by hand, which is bullshit.

To be honest I misread your original post. So, apparently, I am not familiar with that particular word. :p

Edited August 5, 2010 by Max Power

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

O RLY? Stop the press! :rolleyes:

I thought it was common knowledge well before its release that even OFP DR 1 was never even supposed to be a competitor to Arma. I recall calling that myself too, that Codemasters aren't in the business of making games for small niches.

Codemasters started a huge advertising campaign in Germany with the slogan

"OFP2, Nothing for ARMAteurs!"

Furthermore every interview representatives of Codemasters gave to computer mags were meant to emphasise the advantages over Bohemia's product. And it should be no suprise most main stream articles were published with titles such as "OFP2, the ArmA-killer?"

You may say that from a Marketing perspective OFP2 was meant to build on the reputation of OFP1 but to widen the niche into a more main stream market. But in the end the punch word still remained "realism".

So I disagree, the whole PR campaign was highly agressive towards the BIS as competitor. I was willing to give this game a try, but after this cheap and agressive approach I decided not to.

[Takko 10]

Codemasters started a huge advertising campaign in Germany with the slogan

"OFP2, Nothing for ARMAteurs!"

This is not true!

[Flash Thunder 10]

Makes CM look like such morons huh? HA

Only in a perfect world...

This Red River was sounding okay but until this article im going to have to find something else for entertainment, COD like missions?

No competitive multiplayer only Coop which will probably be a measly 4 players with LAG still...

FPDR FPDR

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

This is not true!

It is true. German Game Mag, full page advertisement shortly before release of the OFP2.

[Zipper5 74]

Oh my God... No. NO. No no no no... :(

Burn in hell, Codemasters. Not only did you have to screw up the OFP name enough with Dragon Rising, you're doing this to it just like Ubisoft did to R6 and GR. With Sion 'Nice.....' Lenton back on the project it's obvious you learned nothing, will learn nothing, and will continue to milk established fanbases until the cow runs dry.

Oh, and templarGFX can go with them after saying it's going to be awesome...

I always thought the OFP brand would be the last to go the way of the modern FPS. Seems that day has come...

R.I.P. Operation Flashpoint

I'd be perfectly happy for them to go off and make their own sub-par FPS so long as it didn't carry the OFP name.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Zipper5

[[GLT] Legislator 66]

I can't wait to compare the DLC offers of both BIS and CM :p

[Zipper5 74]

DR had some aspects you could use in comparing it to Arma 2. Red River will have none, by the looks of things. It's trying (and is most likely failing) to bring OFP into today's "mainstream", and can therefore suck it...

[NoRailgunner 0]

Is this new <whatever it will be> from CM still worth the time and drama? :rolleyes:

[Zipper5 74]

Nope. As of now I simply look forward to CM utterly failing to compete in the FPS genre with the OFP name, and will simply let the name go the way of R6 and GR.

Seriously, they need to take their heads out of their asses if they think they could even do a decent FPS game...

[echo1 0]

I've never had any trouble on the CM boards either.

Threads like this just ran and ran and ran and went on for hundreds of pages.

And then you would have guys on this board quoting them here and guys on their boards quoting posts from over here...

Sometimes such threads their boards would reduce into a miserable fanboy flame fest, and othertimes the equivalent thread on this board would.

Broadly speaking I find the moderation on both to be excellent.

You must have missed the disappearing threads... literally.

[max power 21]

I think this is actually the sign of a fairly healthy mind. When you totally and completely humiliate yourself in an epic fail, realize your limitations and go on to something new.

[ck-claw 1]

so long as it didn't carry the OFP name.

This ^^ if they created their own game without the reference to Ofp i dont think there would be an issue tbh!