ARMA 2 (OA) : DLC discussion thread

[whisper 0]

Sad, very very sad.

If BIS ever did that they would have less dignity than homeless person having to do handjobs for booze. Not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Yet again I fail to understand how the same company that produced the excellent ingenious OFP can take crap decisions like this. Have all the good people left? Did Suma and Maruk blow their brains out or what?

Ah well , I suppose to an even more pointless new era of working over a decade on a game making it slightly more crap all the while. Must feel good.

wtf? care to explain a bit more? They explicitely said there would still be plenty of free stuff through patches exactly like today. Just don't expect EW campaign + units for free anymore. How is that a shame?

[JojoTheSlayer 35]

I only have a problem with DLC if it means I will have less online servers to choose from. If it was like everyone could "see" the, example, DLC tank, but only people that had the DLC could use it, but both could play on the same server. I would be okay with it.

Yeah, aside from the DLC having some actual quality that is.

[icewindo 29]

My purchase will depend on the content and the distribution system. If they e.g. sell 2 missions for 10€ it's gonna be an epic fail.

I don't really like DLCs.

Say what you want, but the price-playtime ratio for nearly every DLC out there simply sucks. That's a fact.

15€ for 5 maps (MW2) and another map pack is allready out for the consoles. That's 30€ for the 10 maps (of which 4 are directly ported from MW1). And you know what? I can buy the full game for 30€ if not less.

I can see BIS doing the same, with all the DLCs being more expensive than the full game. That's ridiculous. I also see heavy issues with MP gameplay.

DLC is also one more reason for BIS not to release any new mlods... Thanks in advance :)

Better stick to free DLC, a.k.a. community made missions/addons.

Edited June 11, 2010 by Icewindo

[Fox '09 14]

Sad, very very sad.

If BIS ever did that they would have less dignity than homeless person having to do handjobs for booze. Not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Yet again I fail to understand how the same company that produced the excellent ingenious OFP can take crap decisions like this. Have all the good people left? Did Suma and Maruk blow their brains out or what?

Ah well , I suppose to an even more pointless new era of working over a decade on a game making it slightly more crap all the while. Must feel good.

wow... what to say.. :j:

[Heatseeker 0]

I dont know about you guys but A2 already felt like an Arma expantion and OA is like a second expantion.. so after OA i think its time for a real new game.

[mchide 0]

I would pay full game price for DLC. Why? Just because i like official stuff much more than unnoficial.

[dunedain 48]

good for you ..

[Mafia101 0]

Why the fuk complaining before they announced anything?

We don't know which DLC will be free and which will cost. We don't know what content will be there. We don't know yet what the price will be and so on.

So it's pointless complaining that you need to play full game price for new tank :rolleyes:

[icewindo 29]

I would pay full game price for DLC. Why? Just because i like official stuff much more than unnoficial.

Would you die of a heartattack if you knew a good portion of the "official" content e.g. in ArmA2 is actually based on "unofficial" work, same with Arrowhead :butbut: ?

[roberthammer 582]

I would pay full game price for DLC. Why? Just because i like official stuff much more than unnoficial.

lol good one :p

[CW001 10]

Sad, very very sad.

If BIS ever did that they would have less dignity than homeless person having to do handjobs for booze. Not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Yet again I fail to understand how the same company that produced the excellent ingenious OFP can take crap decisions like this. Have all the good people left? Did Suma and Maruk blow their brains out or what?

Ah well , I suppose to an even more pointless new era of working over a decade on a game making it slightly more crap all the while. Must feel good.

:j: What in the name of everything good in this world are you talking about?!

BI is a small indie game company. ARMA is a niche game. They said on the OA FAQ that the game sales alone did not gain them too much financially(or something along those lines). These proposed DLC's are a non required addon to an already pretty big game, and you say that this will lose them their dignity? What?!

On topic somewhat, seems like a bally good idea. If the packages are well priced, and have content that I like, I'll probably feel compelled to buy them.

Edited June 11, 2010 by CW001

[mattxr 9]

I would pay full game price for DLC. Why? Just because i like official stuff much more than unnoficial.

I agree i will always buy BIS products, you know they are good quality and if not would be patched to good quality :P

Plus more people that had it then the better :)

Im sure BIS DLC wont be like "1 Tank DLC" etc and if it was it would be free as such a small amount of paid content such as 1 tank would split the MP community so expect the DLC to be big packs! :) well the paid stuff anyways :)

[Zipper5 74]

I dont know about you guys but A2 already felt like an Arma expantion and OA is like a second expantion.. so after OA i think its time for a real new game.

I get the feeling your PC couldn't handle Arma 2. Or some other arbitrary reason that the majority have claimed Arma 2 to simply be an expansion for ArmA because of.

*snip*

The internetz - full of cheapskates. Many people just simply never like paying for DLC no matter if it's worth it or not. Just a big "NO!" on their forehead 24/7. Oh, and then the developer becomes the Devil for suggestion such blasphemy.

Edited June 11, 2010 by Zipper5

[Fred DM 0]

I dont know about you guys but A2 already felt like an Arma expantion and OA is like a second expantion.. so after OA i think its time for a real new game.

you've got to be kidding! ArmA 2 is lightyears away from ArmA in every aspect. if there ever was a proper sequel, ArmA 2 is it.

if anything, OA almost feels like a sequel to ArmA 2, considering the insane amount of content they're packing in it. other companies would ask full price for it.

The internetz - full of cheapskates. Many people just simply never like paying for DLC no matter if it's worth it or not. Just a big "NO!" on their forehead 24/7. Oh, and then the developer becomes the Devil for suggestion such blasphemy.

you're wrong. it's certainly not a matter of money. if people have enough dough to blow on an i7 and SLI 480 setups, they'd certainly have some spare change for all the DLC in the world.

not buying DLC is the same as boycotting intrusive DRM. because if you give in and accept it, it sends a clear signal to the entire industry. DLC has steered the gaming industry in a very bad direction already, and it seems only to get worse. look at what happened to UbiSoft, Capcom and 2K, offering paid DLC that's already on the disc and crapola like that.

you really can't blame anyone for being outraged at BIS' announcement. i'm certain BIS won't let their fans down, but as of now, it does sound very consolish (i'm a console gamer as well, and DLC is one of the reasons why i no longer buy PS3 games when they come out. half a year later you get it at half the price and with all the DLC released for it).

Edited June 11, 2010 by Fred DM

[Tonci87 163]

My fear is that DLCs will not only split the MP Community, but also corrupt BIS.

The Best Example for that is The Creative Assembly with their Total War series. While Medieval 2 was still fully modable and People made all Kinds of new Camaigns, Units and so on, moding in Empire Total War has been screwed only to sell DLCs. How can you be sure that BIS doesn´t turn the same way with the next Arma?

I also think that if BIS didn´t go for this DLC crap we would have the Brits in OA by defalt as they seem to be ready by the screenshots. So is this the way to go? See what the Community demands and then not include it on Release on purpose only to sell it as DLC?

[hamm 10]

Would you die of a heartattack if you knew a good portion of the "official" content e.g. in ArmA2 is actually based on "unofficial" work, same with Arrowhead :butbut: ?

What do you mean by "based"? Surely you don't mean BIS took the modders' work and called it there own?

Edit: ^^ Tonci, few units and a helicopter don't mean it's complete. It might be a new map (Karzeghistan) and it might even be a whole new campaign. Just because the modellers did some work doesn't mean BIS is holding it back for profit.l

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

you've got to be kidding! ArmA 2 is lightyears away from ArmA in every aspect. if there ever was a proper sequel, ArmA 2 is it.

if anything, OA almost feels like a sequel to ArmA 2, considering the insane amount of content they're packing in it. other companies would ask full price for it.

you're wrong. it's certainly not a matter of money. if people have enough dough to blow on an i7 and SLI 480 setups, they'd certainly have some spare change for all the DLC in the world.

not buying DLC is the same as boycotting intrusive DRM. because if you give in and accept it, it sends a clear signal to the entire industry. DLC has steered the gaming industry in a very bad direction already, and it seems only to get worse. look at what happened to UbiSoft, Capcom and 2K, offering paid DLC that's already on the disc and crapola like that.

you really can't blame anyone for being outraged at BIS' announcement. i'm certain BIS won't let their fans down, but as of now, it does sound very consolish (i'm a console gamer as well, and DLC is one of the reasons why i no longer buy PS3 games when they come out. half a year later you get it at half the price and with all the DLC released for it).

Outraged? Yes, I can blame someone for being outraged. If someone is "outraged" over the announcement of paid DLC, then I think they need to sit back and take a serious look at what they're getting pissed off over. They're getting upset over having to pay for digital toy soldiers and such that someone else has spent their time creating to a high standard. BI is a business, and businesses work to get paid. People are complaining that this business is not working for free, but I bet you they would complain a lot more if the business failed, and then some of the same people would say "Well, why didn't you offer XYZ for a small price? I would have paid!"

Seriously, getting pissed over a video game is a really weird way to go through life.

If someone doesn't want to buy it, then don't buy it. It's really not that big of a deal.

[Fred DM 0]

My fear is that DLCs will not only split the MP Community, but also corrupt BIS.

The Best Example for that is The Creative Assembly with their Total War series. While Medieval 2 was still fully modable and People made all Kinds of new Camaigns, Units and so on, moding in Empire Total War has been screwed only to sell DLCs. How can you be sure that BIS doesn´t turn the same way with the next Arma?

I also think that if BIS didn´t go for this DLC crap we would have the Brits in OA by defalt as they seem to be ready by the screenshots. So is this the way to go? See what the Community demands and then not include it on Release on purpose only to sell it as DLC?

that's a good point. just look at Infinity Ward. sell 5 maps for the ridiculous price of 15 dollars even though 2 years before, we got the same for free. and it works, so they're doing it again.

there are plenty of other examples (Bioware, LucasArts, DICE, EA, Rebellion). even traditional PC developers like Bioware have succumbed to the DLC craze. who says BIS won't? who says their publishers won't push it on them?

[Specialist 10]

Im not too bothered, Im from the UK and personally, I would only pay for UK equipment and units, but I also think it would split the community/servers even more.

[mattxr 9]

I dont know about you guys but A2 already felt like an Arma expantion and OA is like a second expantion.. so after OA i think its time for a real new game.

@ Heatseeker, then myfriend you have Carrier Command to look forward too! :)

@Everyone else BIS had already stated they are NOT going to make DLCs like the way other companys do so dont worry they have it in the bag!

[Fred DM 0]

Outraged? Yes, I can blame someone for being outraged. If someone is "outraged" over the announcement of paid DLC, then I think they need to sit back and take a serious look at what they're getting pissed off over. They're getting upset over having to pay for digital toy soldiers and such that someone else has spent their time creating to a high standard. BI is a business, and businesses work to get paid. People are complaining that this business is not working for free, but I bet you they would complain a lot more if the business failed, and then some of the same people would say "Well, why didn't you offer XYZ for a small price? I would have paid!"

Seriously, getting pissed over a video game is a really weird way to go through life.

If someone doesn't want to buy it, then don't buy it. It's really not that big of a deal.

it's not the fact that BIS would like to be paid for their work, even though they have a history of providing additional content for free, that makes people mad.

it's the format in which it was announced. the concept of DLC has a bad reputation in the PC gaming sector, and rightly so.

DLC has been abused by a lot of companies to make a quick buck while offering nothing of value. some have even gone as far as asking for money for content already on the disc. that's immoral if you ask me.

so, it's no wonder people aren't exactly happy about it.

i have no problem with paying for new (quality) content, but the DLC format, and all it entails, bothers me. i'd prefer traditional expansion packs like there are hundreds for the Flight Simulator.

getting pissed over a videogame may be silly to some, but if it's your (only) hobby, i find it perfectly understandable.

[Tonci87 163]

You know that this hasn´t to be true. maybe this only counts for the first DLCs, but what will be after that? What will be with the next Arma?

[NoRailgunner 0]

Isnt it easier to have a little patience instead of jumping to conclusions or speculating about unfinished/not released DLCs?

In the end the decision to buy a product isnt made by developer/publisher. ;)

[Tonci87 163]

You are right about that, but I have seen way to many former really good and Community friendly companies turn into crap

[W0lle 1050]

Sad, very very sad.

If BIS ever did that they would have less dignity than homeless person having to do handjobs for booze. Not to mention the hypocrisy of it all.

Yet again I fail to understand how the same company that produced the excellent ingenious OFP can take crap decisions like this. Have all the good people left? Did Suma and Maruk blow their brains out or what?

Ah well , I suppose to an even more pointless new era of working over a decade on a game making it slightly more crap all the while. Must feel good.

One more such an insult of the developers and you go on vacation. The same goes for everyone else calling them crazy or whatever.

I really don't get how someone can go that crazy without any definite statement that all future DLC must be paid for.