ATARI Dead...Arma Dead Too?

[dmarkwick 261]

As for people's comments about the difference between the developer and the publisher, yes I knew someone would come along and point out the obvious, lol.

Well clever you, but why don't you connect your own dots then? We point it out because it seems you don't appreciate it. Don't you think it would be more likely that, if Atari were to disappear, that BIS would simply get another distributor? They're not physically chained together.

[W0lle 1052]

Quote[/b] ]Are you just stirring the pot here or what? Hardly any of your concerns are even relevant to the news article you posted.

No, I am not stirring the pot. Forgive me if I missed a sticky but I haven't seen any recent news of an impending patch that will fix the massive security holes we have. Not a peep in a VERY long time.

Quote[/b] ]What is taking is so long is especially VoN fixes and anticheat measures. Both need quite large scale testing with external (voluntary) testers involved, which makes turnaround time for any changes in both areas quite long.

Still, the patch is progressing quite well and hopefully there will be at least a public beta within a few weeks.

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Ondrej Spanel, BIS Lead Programmer

Posted 7 days ago here

So far for "Not a peep in a VERY long time."

[NeMeSiS 11]

As for people's comments about the difference between the developer and the publisher, yes I knew someone would come along and point out the obvious, lol.  What do you guys think independent developers pay their employees with?  A modern game costs millions of dollars to make.  Patches cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.  This money comes from companies like Atari so that the developer can do the work.

Interesting, then how did BI made ArmA? They didnt have a publisher during most of the development...

(Hell if they had sooner found a publisher then ArmA would have been a mix of OFP with some VBS stuff thrown into it )

[TRexian 0]

Well, I don't know the specifics of the BI/Atari arrangement, but I think the OFP/ArmA development model is what some very successful gaming companies are moving toward. Look at the development of the Flanker/Lockon series for another example of the same thing.

Small company has a great idea, to they get startup capital, release a limited (even "niche") product, provide good support, make some money.

Use those contacts, and that leverage to build capital for their next release, which updates and improves based on new techniques/technology, and just more experience. Do the release/support spin again.

More or less rinse and repeat.

Now, it seems to me that BI is not lacking in credibility in the software world. That gives them access to capital. Plus, they released in Europe before the US - by like 6 months or something, right? I'm confident they made some money (dollars/euros/whatever) off of that, to support their ongoing efforts.

Plus, the whole OFP-name thing has me confused. I don't know if they licensed it for the console game, or if it was part of the distributorship deal for OFP in the first place, but there's a good chance they still stand to make money off of that.

Plus, they have big-spending interest (in the form of professional militaries) in their VBS products.

While they would always prefer to have more coin in the bank (every business does), I think BI is doing ok overall.

[Mr Sarkey 0]

A modern game costs millions of dollars to make. Patches cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. This money comes from companies like Atari so that the developer can do the work.

I dont think BI spend millions to be honest.

[binkster 0]

@slipperyJIM

Developer (BIS) -> Publisher (Atari) -> Walmart -> your computer.

Im sure everyone makes a profit off of each other.

Money paid to people that work under BIS im sure was made long ago when ArmA was released.

I think a good developer would spend enough for a healthy living for all its employee's, Not sure what CZ dollar is but im assuming 40k a year for every employee?  That would be what I would want to make.

As for the US economy there are alot of foreclosures happening because of Banks/Mortgage companies were giving 100% loans at the same time the houseing market price's were increasing to fast.  Very Quickly people got upside down in house notes and couldnt afford there payment.  

Now the government has lowered intrest rates so people can Refinance there mortages to get a lower payment, but with this said the lowering of the intrest rate wll be temporary and which makes the US dollar look weak.  Who wants to invest money into US when there is low intrest rates?? I wouldnt untill the Intrest rate finds its way back up.

Overall US economy is good except for mortage companies and overall Stupid people who borrowed 100% for there home.

[SlipperyJim 0]

Thanks W0lle for the link. Glad to see they are still alive.

The last patch was released on June 11 which was 5 months ago and by the time the new patch is released we are looking at 6 months or more. Considering the game is only 1 year old that is a huge gap between patches. As soon as the hacker issue showed up BIS should have went into overdrive and concentrated on closing that security hole.

The fanboys may attack people for wondering what is going on with the game but too bad for them.

[NoRailgunner 0]

SlipperyJim bookmark Bohemian Interactive

With cheaters, hackers, teamkillers - that happens in the past, present and in future. Don't ask me for the reasons maybe those ppl don't understand "playing games".

[SlipperyJim 0]

SlipperyJim bookmark Bohemian Interactive

With cheaters, hackers, teamkillers - that happens in the past, present and in future. Don't ask me for the reasons maybe those ppl don't understand "playing games".

Thanks but the BIS website has no new information. Hence why I posted in the general forums since their stickies weren't updated in a while either.

People comparing what the Arma hackers are doing with cheating that goes on in other multiplayer game is complete nonsense. No other game allows you to run client-side scripts without any sort of security check.

I won't post any more on this matter since it is drawing out too many forum trolls and fanboys that smell blood. Sorry guys but I won't bite back. Have fun

[MehMan 0]

I won't post any more on this matter since it is drawing out too many forum trolls and fanboys that smell blood.  Sorry guys but I won't bite back.  Have fun

*Nibble* Hmmmm.... *Nibble* AAAAHHH!

*Bite* *Bite*

Tasty!

[wika_woo 182]

As long as it's not EA or Ubi we'll be safe!

Amen to that.

I 3rd that.

[dmarkwick 261]

I won't post any more on this matter since it is drawing out too many forum trolls and fanboys that smell blood. Sorry guys but I won't bite back. Have fun

Irony.

I see this sign-off a lot from people who refuse to acknowledge any argument whatsoever - and in fact simply prefer to skip from topic to topic, insisting that every other viewpoint is a fanboy, a troll, and rather than intelligently acknowledge opinions or even *gasp* acknowledge a change of view, will take their ball home.

I've done plenty of 180 degree viewpoint changes - honestly it doesn't hurt a bit.

[SlipperyJim 0]

Sorry I seem to have hurt your feelings DMarkwick.

Just what am I supposed to turn 180 on? The fact that 6 months between patches is too long? The fact that Atari is in major financial problems? The fact that hackers have nearly wrecked Arma multiplayer?

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

BIS has a very good track record of customer support for the software I have purchased.

If you have more patience, it will be rewarded.

[dmarkwick 261]

Sorry I seem to have hurt your feelings DMarkwick.

Just what am I supposed to turn 180 on? The fact that 6 months between patches is too long? The fact that Atari is in major financial problems? The fact that hackers have nearly wrecked Arma multiplayer?

Nothing really, I have no care. Just yanking you back in for my own entertainment

[TRexian 0]

Just what am I supposed to turn 180 on? The fact that 6 months between patches is too long? The fact that Atari is in major financial problems? The fact that hackers have nearly wrecked Arma multiplayer?

hehehe

I think that shows your feelings HAVE turned.

Noticeably absent from your list of question/assertions is that ArmA may be dead, too.

And, I would argue that, by these steps, Atari is in a very healthy financial situation. They are maximizing their potential income v. expenses.

[SlipperyJim 0]

Some people just love to argue for the love of the fight it appears.

[TRexian 0]

Yes, but don't be so hard on yourself mate!

'Is all good.

[King-Six 0]

i'm glad atari is going out of business. it serves them right for putting out crap games. good riddance.

[Dallas 9]

Original question was answered in second post, after that it just went downhill. *sigh*

[dmarkwick 261]

Original question was answered in second post, after that it just went downhill. *sigh*

Yes true, but I don't think it was ever acknowledged

[-Puma- 2]

shut up fanbois!! atari is dead so arma is too, along with all the other games they put out

[NoRailgunner 0]

Only 1 minute for search & read:

Quote[/b] ]Atari Inc also announced that it will exit the production business to concentrate on publishing and distribution in North America, ending a production agreement with majority shareholder Infogrames Entertainment.

As a result, Atari Inc will reduce its current work force and has also licensed its Test Drive franchise to Infogrames.

Atari Europe remains unaffected.

But it's easier to complain without evidence

[SlipperyJim 0]

Just like it is easy to post opinion instead of fact.

Man, you guys really love to fight don't ya? Or is it just that everyone took it so personally since of course everyone worked on the game?

[dmarkwick 261]

*shrug*

No-ones taking it personally (except possibly you). People are disagreeing with you, and posting reasons why. I think it's been well established now that if Atari pull out of game development, then BIS won't fail because of that. Can you agree to that?