ATARI Dead...Arma Dead Too?

[SlipperyJim 0]

I think it's been well established now that if Atari pull out of game development, then BIS won't fail because of that. Can you agree to that?

No I don't agree to that because I never said that. I asked if it would affect Arma. Not BIS, lol.

Forgive me for posting a news article and asking a question about the health of Arma. Forgive me for pointing out that Arma will have a huge 6 month gap since the last patch. Forgive me for mentioning the fact that there hasn't been a patch even though hackers have nearly destroyed multiplayer games on public servers.

It is getting hard to tell the difference between fanboys and trolls that just love to fight around here. Perhaps they are the same?

[dmarkwick 261]

I think it's been well established now that if Atari pull out of game development, then BIS won't fail because of that. Can you agree to that?

No I don't agree to that because I never said that. I asked if it would affect Arma. Not BIS, lol.

Forgive me for posting a news article and asking a question about the health of Arma. Forgive me for pointing out that Arma will have a huge 6 month gap since the last patch. Forgive me for mentioning the fact that there hasn't been a patch even though hackers have nearly destroyed multiplayer games on public servers.

It is getting hard to tell the difference between fanboys and trolls that just love to fight around here. Perhaps they are the same?

You don't need our forgiveness for any of those things, they're all valid points to raise.

However, I will forgive you for apparent inability to acknowledge points that answer your questions. Splitting hairs aside, ArmA is not in any danger because of Atari pulling out of business ventures. The very core of the thread, and which you've pathologically refused to acknowledge

[Dwarden 1125]

so i guess this is why ArmA @ Steam 'thread' on ATARI forum vanished

so now when the big ugly steel ball on leg is gone ... any chance STEAM distribution takes place ?

btw. what's happening to ArmA @ Gamers Gate (it was announced in theirs news on September and still nothing)

atm i fear not ... BIS still get 505 Games and Morphicon as publishing partners ...

[th3flyboy 0]

im not worried about arma being dead at all, im more concerned about the falcon franchise with this news, i am hoping that now a group who will allow the community to mod the falcon games will buy it, rather than some "it's completely not allowed to mod it" people, then it will be easier to get falcon modded.

[Bunks 0]

What's that...crickets I hear?

BIS and especially you admins who let the fanbois roam free attacking everyone seeking some hope or help with all the BS this game had. When people were telling you how bad this game was, all they wanted was some confirmation that it would be addressed, and all they got was called names and attacked while admins did nothing but support those attacks.

Just came back one last time to see if anything was done but of course not, silly me. BIS...kiss my ass! you killed a great thing.

[BraTTy 0]

What's that...crickets I hear?  

What does your post have anything to do with the topic?

Users like that ruining the forums is all I hear

[max power 21]

Original question was answered in second post, after that it just went downhill. *sigh*

Yes true, but I don't think it was ever acknowledged

Not many of my posts are formally acknowledged. I think I must come off as arrogant or something.

[TRexian 0]

im not worried about arma being dead at all, im more concerned about the falcon franchise with this news, i am hoping that now a group who will allow the community to mod the falcon games will buy it, rather than some "it's completely not allowed to mod it" people, then it will be easier to get falcon modded.

Sorry to push this a bit more offtopic, but Falcon is an example of how Atari started getting out of the dev business years ago. Atari didn't develop any version of Falcon. They (basically) bought the rights from Hasbro, then licensed the name to Lead Pursuit/Graphsim to develop Allied Force. I suspect LP has another license to continue development, but they are habitually tight-lipped about such things.

:thumbs:

And I hereby formally acknowledge plaintiff1's posts as being articulate and persuasive.

[Heavy Metal 0]

Walker,

You seriously need to loosen that tinfoil a bit.

[SlipperyJim 0]

I just wanted to add that I really, really, really friggin' enjoy playing Arma. I have had some awesome cooperative games that lasted easily over 8 hours (thanks Evolution). After a certain point your eyes are bleeding but you can't quit because you are having so much damned fun.

Again last night I had hours invested on a server playing Evolution and was thinking "man, this is the best game ever made"...then a hacker showed up, farked everything up! I went from being completely in love with the game to Googling the developers home address so I could personally cap them in the knees (yes, I am just joking please don't ban me)

6 months to fix this massive security hole is friggin' offensive!! Come on BIS. Get your act together!!!

Sorry for the rant.

[max power 21]

6 months to fix this massive security hole is friggin' offensive!! Come on BIS. Get your act together!!!

Sorry for the rant.

Well, they're working on it. You should rant in the 'disappointed' thread. You'll find many people who commiserate there. A few will likely join in!

[CharveL 0]

There's no crisis here - just the developers dropping their jaws over the Crysis engine.

[SlipperyJim 0]

I see plaintiff1, in your world there is only two types it seems. Those who like the game and NEVER question or complain and those that hate the game.

Don't be shy, there is a 3rd type that just loves to pick a fight and doesn't really care about anything. Wonder what type you are?

[ShrubMiK 0]

Yawn.

It's quite obvious you don't like a fight, Jim. Not at all. Nosirree :/

Sure 6 months is a long time between patches. Depends what's being fixed though. Or, more correctly in this case, added.

Having been very closely involved in the long saga of how a previous great game (Counterstrike) was brought to its knees by hacks of various sorts, how many attempted solutions there were that looked promising for a while and then fell by the wayside (including Punkbuster), before Valve even came out with their own anti-cheat system. Which didn't actually fix very much at all in the early days.

Unfortunately this stuff is hard - if the game is designed from the ground up with security in mind it can be done reasonably well, but tbh I'm not holding my breath. I suspect ArmA will be used as a test bed for developing anti-cheat technology that will only really start to prove its worth in their future games, although I would be happy to be proven wrong.

Meanwhile the best solution (and one that worked very well in my CS days) is to play on servers that have people actively adminning them. Anyone being a complete twonk can then be booted very quickly.

A little tip btw - if you want to convince people you sit somewhere in the middle and have reasoned, objective opinions, don't start throwing words like "fanboi" around. It's not big, and it's not clever

[dmarkwick 261]

Don't be shy, there is a 3rd type that just loves to pick a fight and doesn't really care about anything. Wonder what type you are?

LOL, did I hear my name?

Don't forget the 4th kind, those who wish to moan no matter that their complaints have been allayed, answered or otherwise addressed.

BTW, the security "holes" you mention aren't really holes to be fair to BIS. ArmA doesn't have any security built in, it's designed to allow people to execute scripts. It's just unfortunate that ArmA, being a game, is targeted by idiots calling themselves "hackers" because they can use a system as it was intended to be used. Only they're using it to annoy people.

BIS are now in the process of having to add some kind of security, which will stifle the product somewhat, as all security systems do. I guess a better way to avoid all this annoyance is to only make your product attractive to non-idiots.

[icebreakr 3159]

Hey SlipperyJim, same one as in SWAT4 community man?

I think ArmA needs to be played in well organized teams and on locked servers. We're playing this way for the past YEAR and we didn't have any problem with cheaters. Campaigns and stories (briefings/debriefings) are made for the team only and sometimes we invite other teams to join us (versus or COOP mode) in the campaign.

[max power 21]

I see plaintiff1, in your world there is only two types it seems. Those who like the game and NEVER question or complain and those that hate the game.

Don't be shy, there is a 3rd type that just loves to pick a fight and doesn't really care about anything. Wonder what type you are?

Uh, you said that you were just ranting. You even apologized for the rant... and now you're fighting with me for no reason. Since you're so sensitive, I was suggesting that you do all the ranting you like in a thread where you'll find lots of people who agree. That 'disappointed thread' isn't a support group for brain dead idiots. It's a thread where people can share their frustrations with the game, which it appears to me is ALL you are doing right now. I was thinking that you would find conversation more to suit what you are looking for. Are you ashamed to go there or something?

There are two kinds of statements in your world, SlipperyJim. The black kind, and the white kind.

[TRexian 0]

There are three kinds of people in this world.

Those who are good at math, and those who aren't.

:thumbs:

[Dwarden 1125]

looks like it's getting worse with ATARI http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=30792

[walker 0]

Hi all

As I said on the first page of this thread: The underlying problem is the US economy. The US economy is overloaded with debt mostly created by its government.

This means that US business cannot get credit.

Sadly walker

[mr.g-c 6]

Hi all

As I said on the first page of this thread: The underlying problem is the US economy. The US economy is overloaded with debt mostly created by its government.

This means that US business cannot get credit.

Sadly walker

Thats not totally right...

Todays Moneysystems are totally based on debt! Whenever anyone (Company/Private) makes debt, money is created out of nothing/thin air.

The Problems with this are "Interrest". Because you need to pay back more Money out of the money-circulation than you have put in by making debt...

That is the only real reason why nations never pay their debts back, because if they would do so we would have NO Money left in circulation.

Now think about that........ and forget channels like bloomberg, Msnbc and all of the mainstream medias. They are controlled over edges by the same persons who issues the money worldwide - they decide what you NEED to know about it (and thats not much).

I know this because my father was in the management of a german (but internationally operating) bank.

He also told me that this whole money-system is build to collapse as long as Interrest is existing. The one who benefits from such collapses are always the banks....

[SlipperyJim 0]

Uh, you said that you were just ranting. You even apologized for the rant... and now you're fighting with me for no reason. Since you're so sensitive, I was suggesting that you do all the ranting you like in a thread where you'll find lots of people who agree.

Nice try plaintiff1. I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with me because there is nothing that you disagreed with. All you did was attack me for complaining about the ridiculous 6 month wait on a patch.

The meat of your post is that I should go in a thread with people who dislike Arma or that have a long list of beefs. I only have 1 beef. It is a shame that you didn't read the first 2/3rds of my last post since it was about how much I love Arma.

Yes, in your black and white world it is hard to grasp how someone could both love Arma and be disappointed with BIS. You are either a classic fanboy who can't stand anyone being critical or you are just looking to fight? Which is it?

As I already mentioned the game is only 1 year old and to have to wait for 6 months to get a patch is ridiculous. As soon as the hackers showed up BIS should have shifted into overdrive and focused on closing the security hole. Clients should not be able to run scripts period.

Again it is crazy that people compare this to the usual multiplayer hacks that all games suffer from. This is not a matter of a simple wallhack or some memory hack that affects a single player. These are complete scripts that destroy gameplay on Arma for everyone on the server.

What is better for the community and the game:

A) Wait 6+ months to fix the security whole and add a bunch of new features

B)Fix the security hole in 2 months with a patch and then 4 months later release another patch with a bunch of new features.

Quote[/b] ]Hey SlipperyJim, same one as in SWAT4 community man?

Heya back, IceBreakr. Well I didn't play Swat 4 for long. I prefer to think of myself from Swat 3, lol.

[max power 21]

Uh, you said that you were just ranting.  You even apologized for the rant... and now you're fighting with me for no reason.  Since you're so sensitive, I was suggesting that you do all the ranting you like in a thread where you'll find lots of people who agree.

Nice try plaintiff1.  I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with me because there is nothing that you disagreed with.  All you did was attack me for complaining about the ridiculous 6 month wait on a patch.

Nope, all I did was say that you should complain in the complaints thread. No attacks. In fact, I wrote the message to read quite friendly. Your feelings of persecution are your problem.

[SlipperyJim 0]

lol, okay. Let's call a truce shall we.

I vented my anger at BIS and hopefully we will have a patch in this decade. I would feel more comfortable knowing that they weren't busy working on a sequel already

[Zadoff1880 0]

well, if u visits ofp.info for many weeks & find nada to DL, it's a clear indication that the game is about to die. Pity.

When compared to COD4 or Crysis, ArmA IS superior.