Track ir

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

I have trackir 4 pro... Do you guys have any sugestions for affordable VR googles?

look 4-5 posts UP...

??

I don't see any.

I only see the soccaled Glasses... But I want googles with monitors in them... The glasses, are they really that good? Dont u have to look at the screen anyway?

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

And will they work with my TFT screen?

[sniperandy 0]

You can check the edimensional sites FAQ for all the infos oyu need. eDimensional FAQ Page

You can of course go and buy the "emagin 3D Visors" if you got like 600$ to spare. However, opinions on the 3D Visors go in to directions and I don't want to flame this thread by starting a discussion about them. One thing is for sure...where are you gonna put your Track-IR vector when you wear the googles? And I don't thing you still need your Track-IR then...

and, did you know that you can edit your posts....

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Thanks mate...

I couldnt access that site.. But I see that it works with IE. Sometimes I just hate Firefox.

Oh and (yes, im editing now)... The FAQ doesn't state if I can use my TFT monitor... It states that I can't use a laptop monitor.. But CRT and LCD is useable... Are they simply trying to avoid mentioning TFT, or do they actually work?

You seem to know alot about it (and computer-stuff in general). This is the monitor in question, do you think it will work? (It just seems a bit stupid to create a new thread about it, since TrackIR and VR are suited - in my oppinion).

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ProductInfo.asp?WebProductID=217402

[GBee 0]

Wasn't Firefox's fault. The url he linked to was http://http//www.3dvisor.com

Note the extra, malformed, http//

[stegman 3]

Lets not get off topic with FireFox, but i prefer IE.

I'm not convinced with this trackIR gizmo, sorry.

I like to keep my head still when playing, helps me concentrate.  Rather than moving my head around the place, while rolling my eyes to keep the monitor in view.

I know every one has explained as clearly as possible, but I'm not sold on the idea.  BI should impliment it though, as long as you don't get peanalised for not using it.

[x al 1]

Speaking of penalizing:

Wrong term. Benefitting due to using TrackIR would be correct.

If you are a 10-finger typing specialist, well I guess keyboard is your input device then, no doubt.

But why should all others start breaking their fingers?

It is the old question: Is keyboard usage better than mouse usage? Are keyboard drivers better than wheel users? Is keyboard and mouse steering better for flight sims than joysticks?

If you are a keyboard pro...nothing will beat you.

But being realistic...almost noone is a REAL keyboard typing pro or a professional pianist!

It is exactly then, when all those "non-keyboard" devices come into existence and show their superior potentials.

I use for each occasion different input device, ifeel mice,  FF-wheels, FF-joysticks, shifters, TrackIr etc...they ALL make the experience much more "REALISTIC" and I benefitted A LOT using them. Why hitting a key when I want to look around, probably hitting the wrong key in a stress situation? Nah...I just move my head intuitively an inch...in any direction I wish. Faster and more comfort! Todays fighter pilots use that technology, too. So why not keeping up?

So it is just a weapon of choice. I prefer specialized input devices. You aren't penalized, but I benefit from then.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Now I bought them... They better be good...

Can't wait to test them out with my trackir4 system

[evilnate 0]

Okay well after reading this thread I bought a trackir 4.

Pros: Indespensible with dog fights in flight sims! All you need to do is find your target, keep your head on him and steer the aircraft to where you're looking. Using it in ArmA should be great, especialy with 4DOF.

Cons: The unit gets really hot after a while, all you have to do to cool it off is stop using the trackir software when you're done. The IR camera is very sensitive to sunlight. It does not work well if the camera can see direct or indirect sunlight/reflections.

The bottom line is if you want to turn up the immersion of your simulators a few notches, defintly get this thing. If you don't want to drop nearly $200USD on realism i'm sure you will still have a great time playing ArmA.

[x al 1]

Ahem...if all are using TrackIR then, I will face equal good enemies then, hm...I should stop promoting TrackIR

nah, but really...TrackIR is really great. Just look at this video. And try all these movements using a keyboard...almost impossible to have such smooth view options without a TrackIR.

http://blog.pcformat.co.uk/page....eo_part

[sniperandy 0]

sorry about the "mix up" in the link.

I actually linked the main site of that company, then edited to go straight to the visors. (fixed now)

@Espectro:

Of course it will work with your screen.

And as you said you bought a set now...hope you like them.

As for breaking my fingers...no way... I use a Z-Board for gaming

[GoGamer.com-Jason 0]

Hi Everyone,

I haven't read the entire thread here about the TrackIR, but for those that don't have one or understand the impact of the TrackIR I will say that Bohemia supporting the TrackIR is a great thing.

Well, who am I to say that? Well, I am the former TrackIR product manager at NaturalPoint and I have been involved with NP for a long time.

I am currently the Marketing Director for GoGamer.com and yes, I am a huge gamer. :-) And yes, I play hooky and come to post on forums when I should be working. LOL.

Let me start by saying I hope Bohemia does indeed release the game with TrackIR support included. The videos I have seen are spectacular. TrackIR in 6DOF adds a whole new level of immersion to any game or sim.

Obviously the videos show when TrackIR is coupled to character animations you can get some amazingly realistic looking gameplay. Imagne a battlefield where Heads are bobbing, eyes are scanning and bodies are leaning and peeking. Imagine standing on your tip toes to look over an obstacle just like in real life. All of this is possible with a TrackIR. Bohemia almost has it down. Great job Bohemia!

With regards to some gamers saying the TrackIR is a cheaters tool. There were many flight-simmers who said the same thing, but once experienced, the community adopted it and flight-simming has taken a leap forward. They recognized that it make computer flying better. Armed Assault can be that title which takes shooters to a whole new level and should be recognized for innovation in gaming. And using a TrackIR is basically the same thing as buying a faster mouse or a better joystick. It is a tool that enhances gameplay.

Imagine flying a chopper with TrackIR. It will become extremely easy and imagine it coupled to the chain gun in the nose like in a real chopper. Good times!

Also, if you absolutely don't want TrackIR usage on your server, it should be made a server side option just to keep people from getting upset. Let the market decide. I bet over time more servers will allow TrackIR than not.

I almost forgot this point. The TrackIR technology is an amazingly simple solution to a very complex problem. It is not wonky VR goggles or a complicated headset. And it works in true 3D unlike other failed products. They have mastered the technology and it works as advertised. 

Also, TrackIR users are a loyal bunch and they support those titles that support it. Bohemia will see a boost in sales if they support it.

So anyways, before I write a book, I will say that if any Armed Assualt fan has a question about the TrackIR feel free to write me. And the price of TrackIR has come down and we have some awesome deals on it. Hit me up if you want to know more.

Regards,

Jason Williams

GoGamer.com

[x al 1]

Heyho Jason,

welcome to the BI forums

Guess who was the "ArmA&TrackIR" topic starter at the NP forums?

[DaSquade 0]

Quote[/b] ]Stegman:The 3D glasses that have been mentioned look like the best solution, but if they hurt your head that cant be good! They must bugger up your eys something terrible!

@Stegman: Hm, i guess you are mixing up two different things here.

3D goggles are see through goggles that 'manipulate' the screen. They give the 2D envirement a 3D look. I haven't tested them yet but what i have heard of them (update me Andy asap ) they are very good and give an extra dimension to the game.

But this is still not the 'best solution' or the solution most people are waiting for. Best experience would be the VRgoggle (that way you only see the virual screen and no 'room' witch give you the 'wow, i'm INGAME feel'. Again no experience and afaik even the 3Dvizors aren't the best buy/best quality. I guess that market still didn't got that much support yet. The 'ultimate' would be a VRgoggle with 3D simulation with the TIR features (again..example: Imax3D cinema = super high quality, captured with 2 'eye' camera, with all the bells and rings...if only i could find out if the goggles are for sale, at what price and if they are supported).

Ah, welcome abord Jason, now does NP have any plans for that ultimate goggle or will we need to invest in andys 'dome' projector ?

[GoGamer.com-Jason 0]

Hi guys. Nice to be here. I'm not positive what NP has in store since I don't work for them anymore. What I do know is that the TIR is still the easiest and cheapest way to get you into the game without and expensive headset.

Armes Assault with TrackIR will be awesome!

And X al...OFP players are cool peeps for sure. Great community support.

Jason

[crashdome 3]

I read this awhile ago and thought it was cool until I saw the price tag: http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_080a.html

The reviewer does a review with it + the TrackIR 3. Says: "The effect of 3D on distance is sheer genius. The smoldering pieces get closer or further depending on my flight path. I zoom down below the debris and look up to watch the debris as it falls around me. For the first time in my life I am in an interactive 3D world; A 3D combat flight world!

"

At $800 US that's pricey for a 800x600/60hz view. Even if it is attached to your head.

Give this 1-2 years and I will forsee a big advancement. The article states that the native 'head control' was kinda limited and coupled with a TrackIR, this thing would rock your socks.

If I could pick it up for $100 I would buy it... if it was 1024x768/75hz and more adjustable I would pay a hell of alot more. Maybe even $800 US.

[GoGamer.com-Jason 0]

The emagin unit you mentioned really isn't that good. I've tried it. Not all that great. You're better off using a TrackIR and a good monitor. Plus the visor only works in 2DOF.

They've lowered the price recently. They weren't selling very well. I know that much. These VR Helmets just aren't very good.

Jason

[dmarkwick 261]

Hi Everyone,

I haven't read the entire thread here about the TrackIR, but for those that don't have one or understand the impact of the TrackIR I will say that Bohemia supporting the TrackIR is a great thing.

Well, who am I to say that? Well, I am the former TrackIR product manager at NaturalPoint and I have been involved with NP for a long time.

I am currently the Marketing Director for GoGamer.com and yes, I am a huge gamer. :-) And yes, I play hooky and come to post on forums when I should be working. LOL.

Let me start by saying I hope Bohemia does indeed release the game with TrackIR support included. The videos I have seen are spectacular. TrackIR in 6DOF adds a whole new level of immersion to any game or sim.

Obviously the videos show when TrackIR is coupled to character animations you can get some amazingly realistic looking gameplay. Imagne a battlefield where Heads are bobbing, eyes are scanning and bodies are leaning and peeking. Imagine standing on your tip toes to look over an obstacle just like in real life. All of this is possible with a TrackIR. Bohemia almost has it down. Great job Bohemia!

With regards to some gamers saying the TrackIR is a cheaters tool. There were many flight-simmers who said the same thing, but once experienced, the community adopted it and flight-simming has taken a leap forward. They recognized that it make computer flying better. Armed Assault can be that title which takes shooters to a whole new level and should be recognized for innovation in gaming. And using a TrackIR is basically the same thing as buying a faster mouse or a better joystick. It is a tool that enhances gameplay.

Imagine flying a chopper with TrackIR. It will become extremely easy and imagine it coupled to the chain gun in the nose like in a real chopper. Good times!

Also, if you absolutely don't want TrackIR usage on your server, it should be made a server side option just to keep people from getting upset. Let the market decide. I bet over time more servers will allow TrackIR than not.

I almost forgot this point. The TrackIR technology is an amazingly simple solution to a very complex problem. It is not wonky VR goggles or a complicated headset. And it works in true 3D unlike other failed products. They have mastered the technology and it works as advertised.

Also, TrackIR users are a loyal bunch and they support those titles that support it. Bohemia will see a boost in sales if they support it.

So anyways, before I write a book, I will say that if any Armed Assualt fan has a question about the TrackIR feel free to write me. And the price of TrackIR has come down and we have some awesome deals on it. Hit me up if you want to know more.

Regards,

Jason Williams

GoGamer.com

Thanks for the positive post

Of course, I have had TIR for a couple of years now, and I rate it as one of the best PC related purchases I ever made. True, it takes a day or two to get used to it, and as such a 20 minute shop demo might not convince you, but I don't see me ever using FS2004 without it again. Or IL2, and when AA comes out with TIR enabled I believe I'll get a similar boost in that as well.

The demo vids have assured me that it will be well implemented, the addition of analogue leaning will be invaluable. I would go as far as to say that I would have paid full game price for this improvement solely but of course there's all the other improvements too. For me, TIR is a must.

[crashdome 3]

The emagin unit you mentioned really isn't that good. I've tried it. Not all that great. You're better off using a TrackIR and a good monitor. Plus the visor only works in 2DOF.

They've lowered the price recently. They weren't selling very well. I know that much. These VR Helmets just aren't very good.

Jason

I realize there is some flaws but you've got the opposite atitude of the reviewer... hmmm

If you read the full article he uses a TrackIR 3 in combo with the goggles by disabling the native 'head controller'.

A good monitor is nice, but there is something unique about being able to see in actual 3D. I haven't tried the goggles, but don't hate me if I take your advice with a few grains of salt.

[DaSquade 0]

Offcourse the VRgoggle + TIR would make a good combination, but again what that reviewer, other reviews and jason mean is that the current 'low' budget VRgoggles aren't a match in quality as you will get for a 'low' budget monitor (LCD-TFT or CRT). As mentioned 800x600 pixels is still to low for a good experience imho. That doesn't mean it won't be a nice experience (closed 3D eniverement view), but after a very runs i guess you will want your monitor quality back... .

Feel free to give it a try if you can spend your money on it, but imho you better stick with the TIR + monitor combination untill decent VRgoggles are on the market for a good price.

[deanosbeano 0]

Quote[/b] ]Bohemia Interactive Studios, Creators of Operation Flashpoint

"Once you try them, you'll never go back. The way 3D gaming is meant to be played!"

here is some for $99 and bis recommended.

e3d specs

[Kos'aaK 0]

^^ I ordered those yesterday Hope they'll work proper with my LCD

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

Damnit, I just recieved mine today... But my new PC crashed yesterday... ARGHH... I can just sit here and watch the thing go into DOS and never further.. Buhuuu

[dmarkwick 261]

^^ I ordered those yesterday Hope they'll work proper with my LCD

It will, it's display independant. Think of it as a new mouse, and the effect as a very fancy mouse look

[sniperandy 0]

Damnit, I just recieved mine today... But my new PC crashed yesterday... ARGHH... I can just sit here and watch the thing go into DOS and never further.. Buhuuu

Arghhh, bad to hear mate.

You're not only missing out on the simulated 3D now but also on general gaming Still, I bet you'll like them when you get your PC fixed...