BF2 Criticism and Thoughts

[PainDealer 0]

  (ArchangelSKT @ June 17 2005,02:20) said:

If a BF player would slam OPF because it is not arcade like it is quite obvious that to people on this board he would be severly mistaken and rightfully so since it is realism and not arcade that is the core of OPF.

well I'm ok with that but EA selling it as a "realistic war simulation" makes my blood boil. cos it's like selling shit in a fancy package.

[Guest Ti0n3r]

  (PainDealer @ June 17 2005,12:35) said:

  (ArchangelSKT @ June 17 2005,02:20) said:

If a BF player would slam OPF because it is not arcade like it is quite obvious that to people on this board he would be severly mistaken and rightfully so since it is realism and not arcade that is the core of OPF.

well I'm ok with that but EA selling it as a "realistic war simulation" makes my blood boil. cos it's like selling shit in a fancy package.

Do you mean that EA is marketing BF2 as a "realistic war simulation"? I have never heard of it. If so, then:

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

ok here comes a trick that realy works

go get a blackhawk. Ask two special forces soldiers and one supporting soldier to assist you. Lift off with the blackhawk and fly to any of the enemy camps. Rise as high as you can and try to keep the chopper as right above the flag pole. Then ask the special forces soldiers to throw their satchel charges out of the chopper down into the camp. Thanks to the supporting soldier they are able to rearm constantly and keep throwing. Correctly done this is worse than a constant artillery fire .... without an ending!

[mr burns 133]

albert, i think you´re one of those guys who completely put me off BF games. if it´s your personal tactic to harm EA by annoying players then go on, it works

never got a satchel in the face, havent even played BF2 yet. but things like carrier camping teammates shooting everyone who tried to "steal" "their planes" were just too much for me.

edit: gotta try BF2 though, pics look good.

edit2: bf2 comm got some nice mirrors, downloaded half the demo in about 2minutes

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

Burns, once again be assured that this strategy is nothing new. And it will be practiced even more once certain clans are getting used to the game! This is not OFP, this is battlefield, nothing else than a modern "Worms 3D".

Also it doesnt take more than one skilled soldier with a rocketlauncher to get that chopper down from the sky. Furthermore this tactic usually only kills enemies inside the camp and anyone who tries to protect a camp from the inside hasnt realy understood how to survive. You only catch the beginners with these chopperSatchels.

The game is fun if you are willing to experiment a bit and let others experiment.

[harley 3 1185 0]

I have to say I agree with Albert here, however odious it may seem; in "melee" games such as BF2 or Hidden and Dangerous 2, you either get better at it or you don't. Having these kinds of tactics used against you does steepen the learning curve-and if you can't adapt, then find another server!! . Natural Selection, or survival of the fittest, in action.

Can't say that I ever, ever descend to spawn fragging though - that is below the web belt, so to speak.

[mr burns 133]

now im tempted to try all different base raping techniques too ..

i just dont understand how as in your example clans would want to destroy their own game ?

why do the even play if the only goal is to fraud more than the others

Natural Selection oh well, think i can live with that as long as ofp2 becomes a real successor to ofp

btw: are there any *cracked* servers left ? if i play i´d not like to see that 12min limitation.

[KeyCat 131]

Some of you guys are comparing apples with oranges! BF2 is not OFP and will never be. The BF-series is not about realism, designers goal was to create a balanced and fastpaced gameplay using the "rock-paper-scissors" analogy.

I enjoy both types depending on my mood (and available time). BF2's graphic are good but not that good, tree's and grass are comparable with what we have in OFP today (maybe even less!), multiplayer, sound, models and animations are nice tho...

I will most likely end up getting BF2 since the squad/commander part works very well if you play with a bunch of friends.

BF2 is nice if you take it for what it is but OFP 2 will be so much nicer  

Just my 0.20 SEK

/Christer (a.k.a KeyCat)

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

  (Mr Burns @ June 17 2005,16:01) said:

now im tempted to try all different base raping techniques too ..

i just dont understand how as in your example clans would want to destroy their own game ?

why do the even play if the only goal is to fraud more than the others  

Natural Selection oh well, think i can live with that as long as ofp2 becomes a real successor to ofp  

btw: are there any *cracked* servers left ? if i play i´d not like to see that 12min limitation.

I dont understand what you mean... why do you say "destroying their own game"? They dont bomb their own bases. Nor is their primary idea to do spawnkillings.

The idea is to conquer a new base, thats all!

Each of the soldiers in the chopper will drop about 10 satchels into every direction, blow them up and then jump into a relatively cleaned landing zone.

As their enemy you have lots of weapons at hand to prevent that.

Countermeasures is all you need to know or invent!

[PainDealer 0]

  (Ti0n3r @ June 17 2005,14:01) said:

  (PainDealer @ June 17 2005,12:35) said:

  (ArchangelSKT @ June 17 2005,02:20) said:

If a BF player would slam OPF because it is not arcade like it is quite obvious that to people on this board he would be severly mistaken and rightfully so since it is realism and not arcade that is the core of OPF.

well I'm ok with that but EA selling it as a "realistic war simulation" makes my blood boil. cos it's like selling shit in a fancy package.

Do you mean that EA is marketing BF2 as a "realistic war simulation"? I have never heard of it. If so, then:

well I remember reading something that pointed that way. it doesn't say it on the box but I'm quite positive that they have mentioned realism as one of the game's features

[DracoPaladore 0]

  (Albert Schweizer @ June 17 2005,09:46) said:

Also it doesnt take more than one skilled soldier with a rocketlauncher to get that chopper down from the sky.

Not to mention the SAMs in the map. It's hard to be a helicopter with  three of those things on your arse.

  [b said:

Quote[/b] ]Some of you guys are comparing apples with oranges! BF2 is not OFP and will never be. The BF-series is not about realism, designers goal was to create a balanced and fastpaced gameplay using the "rock-paper-scissors" analogy.

Ok, where in this entire thread did someone compare? I see this in nearly every Anti-BF post, but I have yet to see someone directly (or really even indirectly) relate BF2 to OFP.

[Albert Schweitzer 10]

  (DracoPaladore @ June 17 2005,17:13) said:

  (Albert Schweizer @ June 17 2005,09:46) said:

Also it doesnt take more than one skilled soldier with a rocketlauncher to get that chopper down from the sky.

Not to mention the SAMs in the map. It's hard to be a helicopter with  three of those things on your arse.

Once I tried to climb up the tall crane and shoot at choppers and planes from the top. You must be damn lucky. Still I succeeded once.

Being a successful sniper on the crane isnt that easy either!

[DracoPaladore 0]

  (Albert Schweizer @ June 17 2005,11:17) said:

  (DracoPaladore @ June 17 2005,17:13) said:

  (Albert Schweizer @ June 17 2005,09:46) said:

Also it doesnt take more than one skilled soldier with a rocketlauncher to get that chopper down from the sky.

Not to mention the SAMs in the map. It's hard to be a helicopter with  three of those things on your arse.

Once I tried to climb up the tall crane and shoot at choppers and planes from the top. You must be damn lucky. Still I succeeded once.

Being a successful sniper on the crane isnt that easy either!

I'm talking about the SAM sites on the ground. It's hard to shake em off once they have a tone. People've been realizing now that all you need to do is shoot the first missile, wait for the copter's flares to die off and shot the second before the copper can get a second set of flares going. It works well when there's another SAM on him too.

As for using the shoulder rocket, ugh. Too slow for me to use on anything but tanks and APC's. Jeeps and trucks if they're at a good distance.

I'm overall confused about the sniper rifles. I'm not sure if there's a sway. If there is, I wish they'd show it in the scope because it's perfectly still while my shots are smacking the wall to the guys left.

[KeyCat 131]

  [b said:

Quote[/b] ]

Ok, where in this entire thread did someone compare? I see this in nearly every Anti-BF post, but I have yet to see someone directly (or really even indirectly) relate BF2 to OFP.

My impression after reading all/most of this thread is that some are expecting more realism out of BF2 and as I said it was not the designers goal in the first place. In the BF-series DICE heavily use the "rock-paper-scissors" analogy to balance the game.

Again just my 0.20 SEK!

/Christer (a.k.a KeyCat)

[shadow 6]

What rock-scissor-paper?

Do you mean rifle-guy shoots down jet with rifle, then he blows up a tank with handgrenades?

[Stealth3 0]

Its funny that they sell bf2 with so many features, but the game adds so little.

Read this: http://www.bestbuy.com/site....7490658

Scroll down to features

  [b said:

Quote[/b] ]Enjoy online multiplayer battles with more than 100 players for fast-paced, action-filled combat

LoL year right. I guess EA forgot to update their FEATURES list. They brag so much about something yet talk so little when it cant be achieved.

  [b said:

Quote[/b] ]Immerse yourself in authentic locations brought to life with realistic physics and dynamic lighting

Year right realistic. You shoot a tank shell in a wooden fence with a soldier next to it, and you dont hurt him one bit.

  [b said:

Quote[/b] ]Experience an ever-changing battlefront with maps that scale to the number of players

Nothing changes exactly other than the size. It justs adds a little more space like we can see in the demo.

  [b said:

Quote[/b] ]Fight for either the United States, Chinese or the Middle East Coalition, each with unique arsenals

DICE needs to look the word "unique" in a dictionary

  [b said:

Quote[/b] ]Use advanced weapon systems, including wire-guided missiles and laser-designated bombs with the new material penetration feature, to fire through barriers and other objects

Material penetration? Yea right. You can only shoot through special fences I believe.

Thats all the features they forgot to tell the truth about.

[KeyCat 131]

  (Shadow @ June 17 2005,17:39) said:

What rock-scissor-paper?

Maybe you are pulling my leg? But anyway... in DICE's terms it probably means that every weapon/class/etc. have a counter part in game - all to balance the game. Realistic? Not very, but fun now and then when you just want to unwind on-line with a bunch of friends.

BF2 delivers at least one thing that OFP currently lacks and thats an easy join in MP games which is a big deal to many casual "weekend warrior's".

Yet again just my 0.20 SEK!

/Christer (a.k.a KeyCat)

[shadow 6]

  (Placebo @ June 16 2005,15:10) said:

Anyone figured out how to enable the larger area? 32 bots in a 16 player area gets cramped  

If you still got it installed you can try this.

I have no idea if it works. Already uninstalled it.

[shinRaiden 0]

One small positive for BF2 :

A couple days ago after one of the worst days of my life (too long and complicated for here) sniper_skull asked if I was up for a few rounds of random BF2 carnage. I needed that mindless release in the worst way, and the couple hours of him vs. me trying to figure out where the other was and how to get them was some pretty good therapy. Thank you.

Back to the negs. We grabbed some fast-attacks and tried to see if we could roll them. ie go tearing down the road, peel off to the right on a sharp embankment, then crank hard over to the left. Stupid "realisitc" physics engine won't let you roll. I think I got one on it's side later, but rolled back on to the wheels.

The other annoying thing was the flags imbalance. Obviously as there was only the two of us, there wasn't a lot of kills. So the extra 20 tickets for the USMC and their extra flag hurts the MEC even more. There was a number of rounds where I had more flags and more kills, but still "lost".

The "Artillery" is also idiotic. There is no good reason to have towed or SP artillery in a 1~2km range. Secondly, most of the time if I just stayed inside the tank, I'd have 80~90% health after the strike was over. If I hopped out I'd be toast. Also moving a tanks length away protected me as well. Another time he thought I was in a bunker next to a flag I had just taken. So he stuffs a 120mm Abrams shell into the bunker, with - guess what - no effect to me. So as the flag meter begins to shift, I in that bunker pinpoint an artillery strike directly on my head, knowing that the invincible bunker will protect me, and it of course blows him to smithereens.

One of the other ironies is that I thought somebody here was saying a while back in one of the Iraq, WoT, or DepUranium threads that it was against the Geneva Conventions to explicitly target humans with .50 cal, so Barrett's and the like are used only for "anti-vehicle" operations. That's probably more a VBS concern, but if that is the case, that might be something to consider, ie having your CO go and chew you out or pull you for going Rambo.

The last one I'm going to complain about for now is the small cargo capacity of the vehicles. If you take your UH-60 with a crew of 3, you can only drop in another 3 or so tops. That's where OFP is nice with the full 12 in cargo, and hopefully ARAS will support a full crew plus the cargo. When you fastrope, land, or rappel that size of a squad rapidly in, then you can do an effective job of obliterating the opposition, taking secured points, and dealing with contingencies.

[USSRsniper 0]

BF2.. lol this is easy game  

When i connect i get M4, and i can get a lot of kills even without trying hard... Its even easier  to snipe with m4 then with sniper rifle  

I think Counter Strike Source has more realistic wepons then in BF2

[Guest Ti0n3r]

  (Albert Schweizer @ June 17 2005,17:17) said:

Being a successful sniper on the crane isnt that easy either!

Me and two friends were on the top of that crane for at least 15 minutes without even being hit one single time. I remember I had something like 50 kills.

But the players on that server didnt seem to be synced.

[BOP_101TFS 0]

http://files.ea.com/downloa...._02.mov

"bf2 released"

[Guest Ti0n3r]

First I thought it was a video of "BIS araving at E3 2005"...

[mr burns 133]

  (USSRsniper @ June 19 2005,00:14) said:

I think Counter Strike Source has more realistic wepons then in BF2

i should try cs:s then, just can´t accept the weapons in bf2.

didn´t take much time to notice that short bursts with the m249 would never hit, or is it just me having to shoot half the mag to get 1-2 kills ?

also the mp5, i shot a full mag on an enemy about 3 meters in front of me and hit him only once

[MATRA 0]

  (Mr Burns @ June 26 2005,19:33) said:

  (USSRsniper @ June 19 2005,00:14) said:

I think Counter Strike Source has more realistic wepons then in BF2

i should try cs:s then, just can´t accept the weapons in bf2.

didn´t take much time to notice that short bursts with the m249 would never hit, or is it just me having to shoot half the mag to get 1-2 kills ?

also the mp5, i shot a full mag on an enemy about 3 meters in front of me and hit him only once

Yep, the BF2 MP5 do an amazing job missing all the targets.

When we have the Anti-Tank kit better use the pistol

The thing I realy like in BF2 was the artilhery, man it give some close support blast!

But still is a arcade game for fun only, nothing serius.