USA Politics Thread - *No gun debate*

[froggyluv 2136]

You wonder why they don't talk about what, in particular? Not sure what you mean.

Meaning that although you imply that Tea Party are built of moderates, I only ever hear them complain about "The Left" or "Liberal Media" etc... yet many true moderates believe that there is an equally disturbing "Radical Right" yet Tea Party'ers stay largely silent on it.

Because she is rural centered, how, exactly, does that necessarily exclude others? You think there isn't room for others? Your talk sounds like the info is secondhand

You obviously missed my intended shot at her infamous quote that "small town America is the Real America" as well as "they are the areas that are still pro-America" - as if us big city dwellers are somehow less than...

I heartily suggest you go to both a Communist meeting and a tea party and see the difference (hint: the 'radicals' that bring their kids to meetings to have fun and don't talk about overthrowing government are the tea Partiers )

Here is a perfect example of the lack of radical right outrage I was alluding toward earlier. I know nothing about Communist Party except that some say our President is one and is obviously the extreme Left. However, you should be well aware of the Right-Wing groups who most certainly do espouse sacking the Government (in the name of the Constitution; Race; Freedom; Taxation without Representation etc...)

...yet you failed to include them in your fun party analogy.

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[HyperU2 11]

Waco?

Reno should hang.

[Scrub 0]

Have you ever been to a Communist meeting?

Indeed I have, and Froggyluv will really enjoy this: It was way up in Ishpeming in the UP of Michigan (what many would call the middle of nowhere) about 8 years ago. They have (had?) a sister group down near Ann Arbor, otherwise known as the Silicon Valley of the Midwest. Just goes to show that Sarah Palin is an individual with her individual thoughts. How did we get on the subject of her anyway? Oh that's right, Froggy brought it up. Speaking of which...

Meaning that although you imply that Tea Party are built of moderates, I only ever hear them complain about "The Left" or "Liberal Media" etc... yet many true moderates believe that there is an equally disturbing "Radical Right" yet Tea Party'ers stay largely silent on it.

-True moderates... How true? Do they want their Constitution back, and are willing to vote and speak their minds like the Founders? Do they believe in smaller government and less taxes? We'd be happy to join them or they join us. The Tea Party is only a flag to rally around. Call it the Chuck Norris party with the same values, and the same people (minus a few who would be embarrassed,) would join up.

-Where and what is this so called 'Radical Right', and what have they done that even begins to compare with the terrorist bombings and threats all the leftist groups have done in the U.S.? Hell man, there were many ARMED conservative protests.. And nobody was harmed by so much as a splinter. It is simply not in our nature, of course everyone has a limit, ours just seems to be higher.

You obviously missed my intended shot at her infamous quote that "small town America is the Real America" as well as "they are the areas that are still pro-America" - as if us big city dwellers are somehow less than...

Her thoughts.. Just as important as yours would be on TV. She is not the leader of the disjointed, headless group that is the Tea Party, we simply all agree on 1-Smaller Gov. 2-Constitutional Law. 3-Lower taxes... All else is an independent passion to be expressed as the owner sees fit (otherwise known as the American Way).

Here is a perfect example of the lack of radical right outrage I was alluding toward earlier. I know nothing about Communist Party except that some say our President is one and is obviously the extreme Left. However, you should be well aware of the Right-Wing groups who most certainly do espouse sacking the Government (in the name of the Constitution; Race; Freedom; Taxation without Representation etc...)

...yet you failed to include them in your fun party analogy.

:j:

Umm. Yes. I am absolutely outraged with pixies and umpaloompas sacking the government (Translation: How can I be outraged by something that MAY exist, and if it does, o-rolling-eyed-accuser-with-no-proof, it exists on a scale so small as to not bring attention to it?)

And please tell me how We The People could 'sack' our own government... To reinforce the LAWS OF THAT GOVERNMENT!?! Your statement is really messed up, or I failed to see what you mean.

-If the Constitution says Obama is impeachable for subordinating the sovereignty of the population, the Constitution, or something else he has done- hello? DO IT. What is so radical? Oh, noes! They are going to UPHOLD THE LAW. (sorry couldn't resist) In that situation it would be obama who is the tyrant and sacking the government. We would be the ones upholding the law.

-Taxation without representation - Yes, it is law, fail to represent the constituents and %hi7 will hit the fan.

-Freedom? Need I answer? You take our freedoms, We take your - LIFE - for treason. Simple and Constitutional. Treason is a word and offense that needs to be brought back into the mainstream.

-Sorry, forgot Race: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/kyle-drennen/2009/08/18/msnbc-no-mention-black-gun-owner-among-racist-protesters

Good enough to show the twisting and omission of truth that the Proggies do in the lamestream media. There are racists in all walks of life, all races. Don't discriminate.

How hard is it to understand that these people in office and those looking to get into office are just (prospective) employees to our organization? They work for us.

V ComradeChaos V : Ironic statement for your name, lol

Edited August 25, 2010 by Scrub

[comradechaos 10]

Indeed I have, and Froggyluv will really enjoy this: It was way up in Ishpeming in the UP of Michigan (what many would call the middle of nowhere) about 8 years ago. They have (had?) a sister group down near Ann Arbor, otherwise known as the Silicon Valley of the Midwest. Just goes to show that Sarah Palin is an individual with her individual thoughts. How did we get on the subject of her anyway? Oh that's right, Froggy brought it up. Speaking of which...

A yooper communist revolt!? Not in *my* Michigan!

[Scrub 0]

*wrong button*

[Big Mac 19]

3-Lower taxes...

Americans pay the least amount of taxes in the western world and you want to pay even less. I guess maybe we should just whore our country off to China even more so you can have your lower taxes.

I'm sorry, but taxes are a fact of life. It's like paying your bills, you expect to get HBO, showtime, and what not for the price of basic cable? I think not. It's the same with taxes, most of these taxes go to pay cops, firefighters, military personnel, new bridges, new roads, etc.

You want to screw the people over that make your life easier so you can have more money for yourself? You get what you pay for. You want a stronger military, you're not going to get it on the cheap. You want better brand of cop who actually gives a fuck instead of saying "they don't pay me enough for that shit." and so he turns a blind eye? You're not going to get it on the cheap. You want better trained firefighters with better trucks so your house doesn't burn to the ground before they get there? You're not going to get it on the cheap. You want to drive over a bridge without wondering if it's going to crumble? You're not going to get it on the cheap. You get tired of pot holes in the road? Being cheap won't get rid of em.

I hate paying taxes just as much as the next guy and I bitch and moan when taxes go up, but at least I can say some of that money going into the new library is my money, some of that money going to give Soldiers and Marines the stuff they need to have a chance is my money. That in itself is worth paying higher taxes.

Edited August 25, 2010 by Big Mac

[froggyluv 2136]

Indeed I have, and Froggyluv will really enjoy this...

Not sure what your implying here. Just FYI, I'm a staunch Independent voter with some Liberal views as well as views that agree with traditional Conservative stances. I don't feel the need to join a group with pre-set ideas as that leads to loss of independent thought.

True moderates... How true? Do they want their Constitution back, and are willing to vote and speak their minds like the Founders? Do they believe in smaller government and less taxes?

Small Gov't and less Taxes? That has been the hallmark flag for the Republican Party for ages although the Bush family seemed to have missed out on that meeting. IMHO, a true moderate does not feel the need to take sides in our oh so toxic political landscape, but rather views every topic independently and is brave enough to break ranks when he sees his party move counter to his beliefs. A good sign someone is a moderate is the lack of oh so overused enemy attack slogons ie. "Neocons and Liberal Media" -generally used in excess with knee-jerk reaction with an implied derogatory effect.

Where and what is this so called 'Radical Right', and what have they done that even begins to compare with the terrorist bombings and threats all the leftist groups have done in the U.S.?

Really? The McVeigh bombing ring a bell? Oh right, he was just a lone-wolf nut job right? Righ-Wing anti-abortion bombers? Again, probably just a rogue element. Extreme Right Wing Militias whom prepare for the upcoming race-war or fear the black helicopters are coming -nothing to see here I guess. Other Militia groups with plans to attack our Police Officers. Race-hating groups like the Aryan Nation are also considered extreme Right. You do remember when some of the above where showing up at Tea Party rallies don't you?

Of course i'm not implying that the majority of Tea Party members share the same beliefs as the aforementioned, but why do they have any interest showing up there in the first place? I've listened to enough Glenn Becks and his radio counterparts to have picked up on the underlying "Our Counrty is at threat from the (insert Minority/Liberal/bogeyman here), and what are we prepared to do about it" -garbage to know what I'm talikng about. There are underlying messages there that certainly raise the aggresive temperature, posturing, and even actions of the fringe Right.

Her thoughts.. Just as important as yours would be on TV. She is not the leader of the disjointed, headless group that is the Tea Party, we simply all agree on 1-Smaller Gov. 2-Constitutional Law. 3-Lower taxes... All else is an independent passion to be expressed as the owner sees fit (otherwise known as the American Way).

Important to who? She's an idiot. And as a public official running for President of my great nation, I don't appreciate such mindless comments about whom "Real Amercians are". Especially from an Alaskan :D

If the Constitution says Obama is impeachable for subordinating the sovereignty of the population, the Constitution, or something else he has done- hello? DO IT. What is so radical? Oh, noes! They are going to UPHOLD THE LAW. (sorry couldn't resist) In that situation it would be obama who is the tyrant and sacking the government. We would be the ones upholding the law.

What impeachable offense has he done? If you really believe this -go for it I say. But I was reffering to groups who want to actually overthrow or escalate to armed conflict with our Gov't for their interpretation of Constitutional Law of which I doubt hardly any our lawyers. IMHO, they are treasonous.

Taxation without representation - Yes, it is law, fail to represent the constituents and %hi7 will hit the fan.

All politicians are guilty of this. And sh*t hitting the fan usually means grumpy constituents. Thats life....

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Freedom? Need I answer? You take our freedoms, We take your - LIFE - for treason. Simple and Constitutional. Treason is a word and offense that needs to be brought back into the mainstream.

The Patriot Act you mean? Probably the closest thing I've ever witnessed that presented a real and tangible threat to the public. Is your group proposing taking George Bush Jr's life for this? What about racial profiling in the Southwest's efforts to curb illegal immigration or innocent americans detained at Gitmo? All of these could have a very real effect on individual American's freedoms? What are you proposing be done about those enacting these laws or pseudo-laws?

Sorry, forgot Race...

Ahh yes, the Conservative marching with guns rallies. A black man WAS there -great!!! Now how would Conservatives feel about a mass group of minorities marching with automatic weapons in there neighborhood? Probably not so peachy -yet, it is their God given American right no? I believe in law and order, marching with this type of weaponry to prove a point is idiotic.

Umm. Yes. I am absolutely outraged with pixies and umpaloompas sacking the government (Translation: How can I be outraged by something that MAY exist, and if it does, o-rolling-eyed-accuser-with-no-proof, it exists on a scale so small as to not bring attention to it?)

Funny, weren't you the one saying that at Communist rallys there is just such speech? Yet you equate any whisperings of Right-Wing Anti-Government talk as mere fantasy...amazing! Let me ask you, just how big and widespread is this "Communist threat"? The amount of milita members in this country exceed 100,000, yet you find it unbelievable that any of them, despite being watched by the law enforcement and previous attacks against the Gov't, could be having such discussions. Again this goes back to my point that the Tea Party are not true moderates, but an extension of the Conservative Republican party. They simply d not see or choose not to see any threat coming from their own wing. Hence, why you will NEVER hear a Glenn Beck or Palin mention "Those wacky Righties!" - bet your house on it.

And please tell me how We The People could 'sack' our own government... To reinforce the LAWS OF THAT GOVERNMENT!?! Your statement is really messed up, or I failed to see what you mean

Because your version of "We the People" may be different than mine, or the rest of America. Does "We the People" include Amercian born Muslim extremists? I'm sure they'd like to ursurp the Gov't. How about "We the People" being some minority group, thru their interpretation of the Constitution meaning something vastly different than your own -would their act of revolt be viewed as patritiotic? So yes, your people, my people whatever can unjustly attack the government, which is the fabric of our nation and what we fought hard to preserve. Just because you sing Revolutionary songs, wax tearily over our forefathers who were mostly great but imperfect men, and drape yourselves in Ol' Glory, doesnt make you any better or worse than any other American.

One last question for you: If Tea Party'ers are moderates, then who are to the Right of them and why do Tea Party'ers choose to remain Left of them?

:)

Edited August 26, 2010 by froggyluv

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Ahh yes, the Conservative marching with guns rallies. A black man WAS there -great!!! Now how would Conservatives feel about a mass group of minorities marching with automatic weapons in there neighborhood? Probably not so peachy -yet, it is their God given American right no? I believe in law and order, marching with this type of weaponry to prove a point is idiotic.

Yea in 2009 some harcore homecountry-loving Americans with cleansed white blood flowing in their vains showed up with guns at Obama's public speeches and yet the police did nothing about it as they didnt brake any law apparently. :rolleyes:

[HyperU2 11]

I hope our police continue to do nothing to those who don't break the law.

[ryguy 10]

People who say we're getting taxed without representation are forgetting about the whole "House of Representatives" thing that we made a while back.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

People who say we're getting taxed without representation are forgetting about the whole "House of Representatives" thing that we made a while back.

The 'public' found out that it that it can vote themselves money, the rest doesn't matter anymore. It's for the history books now.

If anything, 'taxes' will increase, albeit slowly. The 'Affordable Care' is a basic form of taxation with a twist: the citizens with high-earning salaries pay for the poor and less fortunate and both parties get somewhat equal benefits (healthcare) - Socialism in other words.

The amount of few sane people still left will not have an influence over anything in November. Hope you can believe in. :icon_eek:

[mosh 0]

americans pay the least amount of taxes in the western world and you want to pay even less. I guess maybe we should just whore our country off to china even more so you can have your lower taxes.

I'm sorry, but taxes are a fact of life. It's like paying your bills, you expect to get hbo, showtime, and what not for the price of basic cable? I think not. It's the same with taxes, most of these taxes go to pay cops, firefighters, military personnel, new bridges, new roads, etc.

You want to screw the people over that make your life easier so you can have more money for yourself? You get what you pay for. You want a stronger military, you're not going to get it on the cheap. You want better brand of cop who actually gives a fuck instead of saying "they don't pay me enough for that shit." and so he turns a blind eye? You're not going to get it on the cheap. You want better trained firefighters with better trucks so your house doesn't burn to the ground before they get there? You're not going to get it on the cheap. You want to drive over a bridge without wondering if it's going to crumble? You're not going to get it on the cheap. You get tired of pot holes in the road? Being cheap won't get rid of em.

I hate paying taxes just as much as the next guy and i bitch and moan when taxes go up, but at least i can say some of that money going into the new library is my money, some of that money going to give soldiers and marines the stuff they need to have a chance is my money. that in itself is worth paying higher taxes.

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i hope our police continue to do nothing to those who don't break the law.

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[ziiip 1]

I'm sure you get the point...showing up with guns at public speeches ia a no-no.:rolleyes:

[mosh 0]

I'm sure you get the point...showing up with guns at public speeches ia a no-no.:rolleyes:

It's perfectly legal here, now what's your point?

[Hans Ludwig 0]

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[ziiip 1]

It's perfectly legal here, now what's your point?

Yeah it's legal, thus I'm pretty confident you'd love to have a debate with a highly intellectual individual who loves to show off his rifles for some extra persuation.

Edited September 1, 2010 by ziiip

[mosh 0]

Yeah it's legal, thus I'm pretty confident you'd love to have a debate with a highly intellectual individual who loves to show off his rifles for some extra persuation.

That makes no sense. What am I persuading? Are you the highly intellectual person? Are you scared of civil rights?

No I don't want to debate something that is 100% legal for me to do. I do not believe in giving up my rights because other people (especially from other countries) think it's wrong. As long as it's my right, and I choose to exercise it, there is no problem. I do not see your point at all, it seems clouded by propaganda.

Let me talk about laws in your country I don't like... wait... I don't care.

[HyperU2 11]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Republic is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.

Fixed. :icon_eek:

Come on guys, liberty, shmiberty; think about all those starving people in Africa, the slave labour in Asia, the injustice and inhumanity of Islam - and we are going to pay for it all like the good globalists and cosmopolitans we are, according to CFR and many others. :cc:

Edited September 1, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[froggyluv 2136]

Fixed. :icon_eek:

Come on guys, liberty, shmiberty; think about all those starving people in Africa, the slave labour in Asia, the injustice and inhumanity of Islam - and we are going to pay for it all like the good globalists and cosmopolitans we are, according to CFR and many others. :cc:

Islam or militant islamic extremists/terrorists? There is a difference ya know.

As far as the "Gun Rally", just aggressive posturing by those mostly on the far right. They want to demonstrate their constitutional right to bear arms eh?

Doubt they would applaud if the "Million Man March" was armed or the Society of American Muslims showed up to counter protest the Mosque building armed. Maybe MLK had it all wrong and should have armed up instead of those silly peaceful protests...

[HyperU2 11]

Islam or militant islamic extremists/terrorists? There is a difference ya know.

As far as the "Gun Rally", just aggressive posturing by those mostly on the far right. They want to demonstrate their constitutional right to bear arms eh?

Doubt they would applaud if the "Million Man March" was armed or the Society of American Muslims showed up to counter protest the Mosque building armed. Maybe MLK had it all wrong and should have armed up instead of those silly peaceful protests...

Those with criminal records aren't allowed to own guns. :p

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

Islam or militant islamic extremists/terrorists? There is a difference ya know.

No, no, no, sir, you knew perfectly well I meant Islam. I would substitute Islam with Christianity, or Judaism once Islam is no more, but we would have work hard for that goal - foundation is there.

I'm not quite so sure the next generation of people, both in the East & West will give a fluffy damn about the difference between the thing you've said above, or between Christianity and pedophilia for that matter. That's a good thing.

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As for the recent Restoring Honour march on DC, and the previous one @ 1.4 million people: things could turn not the way the demonstrators imagined them. People will get even more frustrated as things stay the same, or move more to the <<< Left.

After the fall of the Republic, Germany at the time of 1932 Presidential elections was a democracy, don't you forget that.

[froggyluv 2136]

No, no, no, sir, you knew perfectly well I meant Islam.

Did I? You assume much. Many nowadays use the two interchangeably, how would i know you were any different?

I'm not quite so sure the next generation of people, both in the East & West will give a fluffy damn about the difference between the thing you've said above, or between Christianity and pedophilia for that matter. That's a good thing.

So your implying the absence of formalized religion is a good thing and people's inherent evils will magically be wisked away into fairyland. Plenty of evil atheists out there as well.

As for the recent Restoring Honour march on DC, and the previous one @ 1.4 million people: things could turn not the way the demonstrators imagined them. People will get even more frustrated as things stay the same, or move more to the <<< Left.

Sorry but have no idea what your saying here.

[Iroquois Pliskin 0]

So your implying the absence of formalized religion is a good thing and people's inherent evils will magically be wisked away into fairyland. Plenty of evil atheists out there as well.

There is a new world religion already in the works, if you haven't noticed and people are catching on. But I'm sure you're well content with your imaginary friend - be that Jesus, or Allah.

Sorry but have no idea what your saying here.

Do enlighten. Because I have people telling me the first thing they do after another session with the Empty Suit or anyone from his Administration, is to hit the ATM and buy more ammunition for their rifles. And those people are day-traders. :cc:

Edited September 1, 2010 by Iroquois Pliskin

[froggyluv 2136]

There is a new world religion already in the works, if you haven't noticed and people are catching on. But I'm sure you're well content with your imaginary friend - be that Jesus, or Allah.

...and what would that be...extremism perhaps? Thats seems to be the latest trend. Extreme Christian and Muslims and Jews, declaring the end is near so accept our way, repent or die an eternal death. Extreme Liberals who shun all religions and faiths and declare we must all denounce a standard of morality and just let everybody be or they'll sick the PC police after us. Extreme nationalism in which "Our country (in their twisted version) is the best and there are threats coming at us from all directions" -get ready to kill!

Extreme Nihilism and anarchists who just want to dump everthing considered meaningful to others, start some sh*t just to see what happens and stimulate their eroded, vacant minds.

No thanks.Its not about God, Jesus, Mohammed etc... it's about common sense values and tolerance for others.

Do enlighten. Because I have people telling me the first thing they do after another session with the Empty Suit or anyone from his Administration, is to hit the ATM and buy more ammunition for their rifles. And those people are day-traders.

You certainly have a gift for vagueness - just spit out whatever your really trying to say :p

And whomever these "people" are -need to get a life. Life ain't that bad and it's short -enjoy it! Now i remember why I don't subscribe to any political party -they're all nuts!