Make Arma Not War - Winners

[killzone_kid 1330]

Yeah it was a childish remark, but the others have a point - all pieces of the submission were meant to be public, so KoTH is breaching that if people can't download the entirety of the package.

You probably didn't watch the stream last night. Matt has mentioned that there is still lots of work to be done after announcement including some paper signing from competitors and money transfer arrangements. I guess until this is done, you should not expect any code give aways.

[SaOk 112]

Basically that also means, there is no guarantee that there wasnt some 3rd party scripts used without permission. Probably not the case, but would be quite fun discovery after money transfers. Because of that, the mission code should be available for all.

[gossamersolid 155]

You probably didn't watch the stream last night. Matt has mentioned that there is still lots of work to be done after announcement including some paper signing from competitors and money transfer arrangements. I guess until this is done, you should not expect any code give aways.

I could honestly care less if I ever see the code, I don't need samatra's code.

It's a matter of following rules. If the competition required all contents to be posted, they should have been available PRIOR to winners being decided.

[killzone_kid 1330]

I could honestly care less if I ever see the code, I don't need samatra's code.

For someone who couldn't care less you seem to care a bit too much

It's a matter of following rules. If the competition required all contents to be posted, they should have been available PRIOR to winners being decided.

Here are the rules: http://makearmanotwar.com/rules Would you mind to point out exactly where does it say that the code will be disclosed to the public and if so then when?

[teilx 4]

Wow, a mission called Battle Royale who abused the trademark law is also a winner. I can bet he has no lizenz or something like that allowing him to use the trademark of the books or the movies in anyway. This Contest was really a big fail lol

Edited March 29, 2015 by TeilX

[gossamersolid 155]

For someone who couldn't care less you seem to care a bit too much

Here are the rules: http://makearmanotwar.com/rules Would you mind to point out exactly where does it say that the code will be disclosed to the public and if so then when?

All Contest materials will be published or will be directed through the Contest Website

I guess it doesn't say prior to, my mistake on that part.

[killzone_kid 1330]

I guess it doesn't say prior to, my mistake on that part.

It also says "or blahblahblah". So basically no promises or guarantees.

[orcinus 121]

Wow, a mission called Battle Royal who abused the trademark law is also a winner. I can bet he has no lizenz or something like that allowing him to use the trademark of the books or the movies in anyway. This Contest was really a big fail lol

"Battle royal" or "Royal battle" is a common phrase in British English. I doubt any court would hold a claim valid, any more than it would for an attempt to enforce a trade mark for "fish and chips" or (appropriately IMO) "dead duck".

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Nope, but it would have been good to see more new missions/mods in the finalists rather than pre-existing stuff imo.

Hmm... well, Ryd's entry was certainly different from anything I've seen before. I guess Lost Dragons was perhaps still too much WiP to win enough votes. If BIS repeats this maybe it should be biennial, give people more time (and hopefully a more stable "stable" A3 :P)

[code34 248]

Would you have said the same nasty thing if you won? Somehow I doubt that.

you can doubt for yourself, but not for me. I already win my own contest :)

Well, i received a warning from moderator - community members (not BIS), they don't like my (categorized flaming) message.

It's a good lesson for me and other (..)

Edited March 30, 2015 by code34

[Wiki 1558]

Dont understand the reaction from some of you.

You can be disappointed because you didn't win, but no need to go mad and insult BIS nor those who won.

[chortles 263]

"Battle royal" or "Royal battle" is a common phrase in British English. I doubt any court would hold a claim valid, any more than it would for an attempt to enforce a trade mark for "fish and chips" or (appropriately IMO) "dead duck".

And definitely not a plausible claim when this upcoming Wrestlemania's (and last year's) got an Andre the Giant Memorial Battle Royal...

[teilx 4]

"Battle royal" or "Royal battle" is a common phrase in British English. I doubt any court would hold a claim valid, any more than it would for an attempt to enforce a trade mark for "fish and chips" or (appropriately IMO) "dead duck".

haha sorry,"Battle Royale" and not Battle Royal,.++ Most trademark names are normal names, but in conjuction with business ...food/resturant/media etc. they are under trademarks ......one question. Someone use the idea of the trademark and use the exact same name. soo .... ok, everbody can do this and it is legal?

any more than it would for an attempt to enforce a trade mark for "fish and chips"

yupp and a apple trademark doesn't exist lol ^^

the mission said itself

Inspired by the book/movie ‘Battle Royale

Edited March 29, 2015 by TeilX

[Ironman13 13]

Was anyone else scratching their head when MCC, Alive, or CSE didn't win the total modification?

I did not think RHS had any chance, not to say it isn't well done just I see other addons actually adding way more game mechanics than RHS. I feel like ALIVE has such a reach in how it effects the game. How about MCC being around long before Zeus? In fact I am willing to bet MCC inspired the devs to make Zeus. I am just rather shocked that a total modification award goes to a team that didn't add any new mechanics to the game. RHS is essentially a whole bunch of smaller addons, only adding to the environment through additional units, weaponry, and vehicles (fluff).

I am not a designer for any of these mods I listed but I definitely applaud their creativity. RHS should have been in the addon category not the Total modification. New/improving features is what a total modification should seek to do. Just my opinion on the matter.

PS. I wonder where Task Force Radio got their inspiration from???? :confused:

[chortles 263]

How about MCC being around long before Zeus? In fact I am willing to bet MCC inspired the devs to make Zeus.

Moricky has attributed the basic idea to something that he'd done up all the way back in ArmA 1.

[Rydygier 1309]

Was anyone else scratching their head when MCC, Alive, or CSE didn't win the total modification?

Not really. Although I would bet rather on ALiVE, we should remember, TC category had only one place on the podium while at least few mods worthy of the prize. Well, who went into this category with his work, had to be awared: bigger prize but also bigger risk.

In fact, personally I'm not that much surprised with the outcome at all. Not, that I predicted exactly those winners, no, I didn't, maybe except Resist, which I expected to be put on the podium by the jury. I just, when reading the rules at very beginning, could predict, it easily may be surprising and after choosing the finalist might turn practically in any way - it was known to me, what's popular amongst the player isn't often the same, what will be chosen by the narrow group of specialists. So I basically expected everything, thus not surprised.

We all knew from the start, how whole process of choosing of the winners will look like in general.

Edited March 29, 2015 by Rydygier

[chortles 263]

Not really. Although I would bet rather on ALiVE, we should remember, TC category had only one place on the podium while at least few mods worthy of the prize. Well, who went into this category with his work, had to be awared: bigger prize but also bigger risk.

Reminder from page 1 of this thread, boldfacing by me:

Please note (as described in the rules) that the jury members distributed their points independently, and the summation of those points selected the winners - rather than a discussion among the jury members leading to some unanimous decision.

• Each member of the Jury will be given the same amount of score points to be distributed in each category.
  
• The score points a Judge has available for a particular category could be distributed freely among any number of finalist entries of the category.
  
• In categories Total Modification, MP Game Mode and Addon will be 10 score points available for each category. In category Singleplayer Game Mode 20 score points will be available.
  
• Members of the jury have deadlines to provide their input; if not provided, the points will be provided by backup-men.
  
• After individual evaluation of each of the members of the Jury, the score points received from each Judge will be summed up. The entry which receives the highest final score shall win.
  
• If multiple Entries are awarded the same amount of points by the Jury, sum of prizes pertaining to particular positions would be equally divided among the Participants in a draw.
  

This allocation and summation thereof is explicitly stated to be why Get Wrecked and Twilight Onslaught tied for third, hence sharing the position and the prize.

I also found that relevant since TC to some degree can be explained by being the only "one winner" category; there's no telling what would have taken #2 and #3 had it been three winners like the other categories besides Health Care in Danger, whereas we can see who would have been left out in those other categories without the #2 and #3 positions. Note: Health Care in Danger was decided separately: "members of the Jury representing the International Committee of the Red Cross will select an Entry covering the issues of health care in danger in the best way according to their personal opinion."

[ballistic09 241]

I am just rather shocked that a total modification award goes to a team that didn't add any new mechanics to the game. RHS is essentially a whole bunch of smaller addons, only adding to the environment through additional units, weaponry, and vehicles (fluff).

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RHS should have been in the addon category not the Total modification. New/improving features is what a total modification should seek to do. Just my opinion on the matter.

No offense, but you (along with many others) appear to not know the definition of a total modification and/or didn't bother to read the contest rules...

Total Modification - Modification of the game delivering new context of gameplay and setting represented by an array of addons and playable content. Total modification can focus on any type of gameplay (not all possible gamemodes need to be delivered), genre or setting.

RHS: Escalation is an array of addons that delivers new content, new features, and a new setting, completely different from the game's original. What's so hard to understand about that? :confused:

[fn_Quiksilver 1636]

Well done to all the Finalists and congrats to the winners.

I've reviewed all the finalists and I can't find one which didn't exhibit an incredible amount of time input and competent development.

Some of the finalists won, but I think the selection of finalists was the true MANW competition.

Some of the winners appeared to have focused on content the market wanted, rather than artistic creation, which may be the discrepancy between who people feel should have won and who actually won.

Regardless, well done guys, and thank you for your long hours and dedication.

[gc8 977]

I wish there we're a top 10 of each category. That way player's might find some missions/mods they like. I didn't find anything from the mission winners (SP/MP) that I would want to play.

[tupolov 520]

Was anyone else scratching their head when MCC, Alive, or CSE didn't win the total modification?

I did not think RHS had any chance, not to say it isn't well done just I see other addons actually adding way more game mechanics than RHS. I feel like ALIVE has such a reach in how it effects the game. How about MCC being around long before Zeus? In fact I am willing to bet MCC inspired the devs to make Zeus. I am just rather shocked that a total modification award goes to a team that didn't add any new mechanics to the game. RHS is essentially a whole bunch of smaller addons, only adding to the environment through additional units, weaponry, and vehicles (fluff).

I am not a designer for any of these mods I listed but I definitely applaud their creativity. RHS should have been in the addon category not the Total modification. New/improving features is what a total modification should seek to do. Just my opinion on the matter.

PS. I wonder where Task Force Radio got their inspiration from???? :confused:

There just wasn't a good category for AGM/CSE/ALiVE, they are gameplay enhancers/mechanics that improve the overall gameplay experience but are not total conversions. RHS isn't really a TC either... so modders clearly needed to choose a category to participate in.

Maybe they should have just had 2 categories - Missions and Mods and split the winnings across the top 5 entries for each.

As Ryd said, there are few surprises on the results.

Congrats to the winners and commiserations to the "runners up"!

Edited March 29, 2015 by Tupolov

[chortles 263]

I wish there we're a top 10 of each category. That way player's might find some missions/mods they like. I didn't find anything from the mission winners (SP/MP) that I would want to play.

You mean the MANW Finalists?

I'd like to see the total point spread (120 on TM/MP/Addon, 240 on SP) for each since that's how RHS-for-TM and top-three-each-for-SP/MP/Addon were decided...

[gc8 977]

You mean the MANW Finalists?

I'd like to see the total point spread (120 on TM/MP/Addon, 240 on SP) for each since that's how RHS-for-TM and top-three-each-for-SP/MP/Addon were decided...

yes seeing the finalists in some order (other than amount of supporters) would be nice.

[chortles 263]

Well those were the top ten for each category just as you asked, it's just that only eleven (one each for TM/HCiD, three each for SP/MP/Addon) got monetary prizes.

The community drama that would arise from any individual jurist's point spread being revealed severely outweighs any gain, versus just seeing whether a category's 1st-place basically had a far-and-away lead on points across all twelve jurists or whether it was much more neck-and-neck, whether a 4th place entrant just barely missed out on the monetary prize (as almost happened between Get Wrecked and Twilight Onslaught) or whether the top three pretty much had the majority of that category's points and were each other's only "real competition".

[mobile_medic 43]

I don't mean to knock the RHS team, or the amount of work they put in, but that seems much more like a "content-pack" than a total conversion.

ALiVE, imo, was the closest thing to a total conversion that not only added features, but actually improved the performance of the game under a number of situations that would normally bring the engine to its knees. That alone, is worth the price of admission, in my opinion. Not only that, but the ALiVE team went out of their way to support many user made maps and content packs.

meh, well... Again, I don't mean to take anything away from the winners, but, given the amount of money that was on the line, the whole contest seemed to have been run and organized in a rather amateurish way... more reminiscent of a small website running a semi-formal contest for their community, than a professional contest with 500k worth of prizes... my opinion anyway.

[DatSync 16]

I think BIS deserve some answer to the community, In my opinion the winners should be what the community wanted (votes in MANW) Not from an unknown panel of Jury who maybe never played the game like we did.

They should explain how a mission with 2.5x the votes of the community can loose the contest and not even being on the top 3, The jurist seems to have been a loot of casual players and I don't know what too think more.

I'll be honest I have 1000 hours+ on Arma 3 and the only things who have helped me reached this time was about 800 or 900 hours on "Whole lotta Altis" a single player modification that worth the time to be played.

I think I'm not only one to think that its actually unfair how they react to modder who have done such an amount of work and just by saying you are out its totally rude for all modders who had vote in the community hands and just by a vote of a Jurist they are out.

Selection of Winners from individual groups of finalists will be carried out by a Jury composed of representatives of the partners of the Contest, other independent individuals and the representatives of the Organizer.

If my source is correct that PC gamers who had jurist partner in your contest, how can you make a third party website jurist and not the community ?

I'm sorry to disrespect the actually winner of sp category but there are some lack of content I can't approve compared to some other mission with mods supports and map mods supports. Its all my opinion and how I'm frustrated to this contest its maybe childish but you just made people very unhappy on this contest.

sorry for my bad english and some insult I may have done to people,