Weird features in British Armored vehicles

[mistyronin 1181]

We all know that Govs usually require certain features for their army vehicles, but where else in the world, would you ask for:

- Boiling vessel ( basically a water heating device for if you know, wanna make some tea )

Vehicles fitted with the BV include Challenger 2 tanks, MAN trucks, and Warrior, Warthog, Mastiff, Jackal and Foxhound armoured fighting vehicles

And another nice feature that you can find in the FV107 Scimitar and in the Warrior is, well... a WC below one of the dismounts seats. Because you never know when you will need to do your stuff well protected.

BTW the Germans were jealous of the last feature, so they installed one in their Boxer APC:

http://www.thinkdefence.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/The-first-German-Army-Boxer-Armored-Transport-Vehicles-deployed-to-Northern-Afghanistan-arrive-at-Camp-Marmal-toilets.jpg (594 kB)

[JdB 151]

Can't expect to send chaps into battle without a steady supply of nicely heated cups of tea. It's a bare necessity like fuel and ammo! :cool:

[mr burns 132]

:D

[Tonci87 163]

Can you even imagine Brits without tea?

[negah 26]

Fun aside I find it really good for the british command to order boiling vessels in their vehicles.

You start to appreciate very much such little things as a hot drink or warm food after a couple of days in the forest during the winter.

And its good to see that the Bundeswehr is getting such things too, however the "Field toilet" written on makes me wonder what that really is :D (the arrow showing somewhere below, but still).

Edited September 22, 2014 by negah

[Tonci87 163]

Fun aside I find it really good for the british command to order boiling vessels in their vehicles.

You start to appreciate very much such little things as a hot drink or warm food after a couple of days in the forest during the winter.

^this

Other militarys should take note. The German Panzergrenadiers at least won´t have to freeze their butt of any more when they have to take a crap.

[vilas 477]

good feature, warm meal, warm tea is always good in cold days, good features

safe toilet - in case of heavy fire and person who "loose nerves from ptsd" also can be usefull, i hops such toilet is loosing its content to ground, not keep stink inside vehicle

[negah 26]

safe toilet - in case of heavy fire and person who "loose nerves from ptsd" also can be usefull, i hops such toilet is loosing its content to ground, not keep stink inside vehicle

I hope that too, I also think it has some sort of desinfektion implemented (I mean that thin pipe leading inside the toilet). On the other side, the personell would be eager to disembark and fight the enemy instead of further sit in the stinking vehicle. And just imagine what would happen when the vehicle hits rough terrain when the toilet is full :D.

[Tankbuster 1746]

I think the OP greatly underestimates the power of the tactical cuppa.

[Xalteva 10]

Because they will never go to war :P i mean real war .

[roberthammer 582]

http://hypervocal.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Tea-Time-Brits-Tank.jpg (160 kB)

literally :D

[vilas 477]

if you ever been to field training all day in winter (-15) when water in canteen froze and your fingers cannot catch button in jacket , you would love such stuff, i was on field excesizes in winter time few times and i remember water frozen in canteen and 1litter bottle which was piece of ice, than eating snow was helping, but much better would be tea or soup, hot water makes bacteria die, also important, in boiling water you can clean (sterilize) knife, spoon, fork, scizors, blade (and not have stomach problems because of bacterias in dirty spoon, or use all this chemical stuff to clean water and etc.)

catching diorea(? running shit) dehydratize person and only hot water can help to keep hygiene

people were surprised when they heard what was most precious in Auschwitz and other camps - toe nail scissors - allows you to walk in shoes after some period, more precious than gold in such camps

Edited September 22, 2014 by vilas

[eggbeast 3684]

beats crapping in a ziplock bag...

often required if driving or turned in for days on end (like in big european manouver, or in NBC conditions)

also - stopping for the length of time it takes to make a brew on hexamine blocks is inconceivable for a scout vehicle like a scorp or scimitar

[mistyronin 1181]

And its good to see that the Bundeswehr is getting such things too, however the "Field toilet" written on makes me wonder what that really is :D (the arrow showing somewhere below, but still).

It's basically a hole that you can draw rising the pillow ( there are some photos in the net ) If I'm not wrong, you have to put some kind of bag below; and when you finish your stuff, you remove it, close it and probably throw away.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1wTel0RwH48/TjmXFg0ThjI/AAAAAAAAVWo/FW_PfAAssUs/s320/6004850661_a3af6aecea_o.jpg

Usually in critic and dangerous times, you can take a trash bag and do your things inside while inside the vehicle, but with a proper sit is more comfortable than just standing there. Same with water plastic waters to take a leak.

[negah 26]

Yep that second picture with two descriptions makes it more clear.

[[evo] dan 79]

I swear they fitted these originally so that the vehicles NBC wouldn't have to be broken (crews were supposed to stay in the vehicle for up to 3 days - or around 60 cups of tea - whichever happened first), and now its just become standard.

[nodunit 397]

[Jona33 51]

-Mod statement recently released

As a government that is highly concerned with our armed forces wellbeing we have decided to upgrade our current fleet of vehicles to a new, improved comfort standard under the Armoured Replacement Service Equipment Programme.

New features to be fitted to the Challenger II and Warrior vehicles will include a log fire for arctic service, an upgrade to the current BV system, a toast rack and Jeeves (British Utility Transport Liason And Rather) system. A Jeeves will come standard with each vehicle and will be most commonly used around 1600 hours. Each Jeeves comes with a packet of Sultana Scones and a choice of Jam or Clotted Cream.

In addition in new measures announced today we will no longer risk using British fighting troops without assurances from the enemy that there will be a half hour break at 1600 hours for a Tactical Eating and Administration programme.

[Darkhorse 1-6 16]

also - stopping for the length of time it takes to make a brew on hexamine blocks is inconceivable for a scout vehicle like a scorp or scimitar

Hexamine? Hell, I thought you'd use what the American military used to use. Dig a hole, (or use a little hole in your vehicle, in this case a small recess in a 113 during the 60's/70's) pinch off a tiny piece of C4, very carefully light this tiny piece, and place your pot/cup/whatever over the flame. :D

[eggbeast 3684]

yeah the best use of hexamine is to throw at each other for amusement

[Nicholas 5]

Honestly, I can understand this. There are times where they are literally living out of these vehicles, out in the middle of nowhere. It's not like they are going to be boiling a cup of tea in the middle of a battle, or maybe some would. :p

-Mod statement recently released

That's pretty funny Jona33. Let out a loud chuckle when I read this.

Edited September 23, 2014 by Nicholas

[da12thMonkey 1943]

Dan;2780606']I swear they fitted these originally so that the vehicles NBC wouldn't have to be broken (crews were supposed to stay in the vehicle for up to 3 days - or around 60 cups of tea - whichever happened first)' date=' and now its just become standard.[/quote']

IIRC the first BV was designed just before the end of WW2 and the dropping of the atom bomb. Either way it was designed for the Centurion tank, which was definitely not CBRN-resistant. Tank combat throughout the war had shown that keeping crews inside the tank as much as possible was necessary to minimise the time to 'scramble' tanks in response to counter-attacks by Axis Panzer units, and to avoid blokes being picked off outside the vehicle in ambushes, which accounted for a substantial percentage of RAC casualties in the more guerilla style of German resistance that was being encountered at the end of the war.

However, the chemical toilet in Warrior was indeed to allow blokes to stay inside the vehicle for extended periods under CBRN attack. But not all vehicles with a NBC pack do have shitters (Chieftain and Challenger 1 didn't and I don't think CR2 does either). On recent ops though, they tend to have been removed from the vehicles that have them because having the toilet installation under a crew seat compromises blast protection against IEDs. A hole in a chair that you simply crap into a bag through, is still viable though.

Edited September 23, 2014 by da12thMonkey

[slatts 1978]

[Drawyah 13]

This, is the best thing ever. Now someone make a cup of tea mod for ArmA!!!!!

[Tonci87 163]