Ukraine General

[astral4eg 10]

Dude, Me and Misty Ronin here watched the LIVEstream and therefore I really don´t give a shit what some news site writes. I´ve seen it with my own eyes.

We could clearly see who started the fire. The Separatists threw Molotovs from the building, and didn´t really throw them far enough. They started the fire themselves.

Сan give link above on recorded stream?

(and sry for my english, i use "simple english + google translate)

[Tonci87 163]

Сan give link above on recorded stream?

(and sry for my english, i use "simple english + google translate)

Honestly I don´t have a link to the recorded livestream. And sadly it wasn´t on Youtube. Maybe Misty still knows the source? Don´t worry your english is ok to understand.

[surpher 1]

Сan give link above on recorded stream?

(and sry for my english, i use "simple english + google translate)

Go back to page 242, I do not think the links will be any use now but you can read what was said.

[Tonci87 163]

New Vice dispatch is up about the fighting at the Airport. I can´t link it here, too graphic.

[jakerod 254]

New Vice dispatch is up about the fighting at the Airport. I can´t link it here, too graphic.

43 is out too. I don't think it was posted here. Simon reporting on the voting.

[mistyronin 1181]

New Vice dispatch is up about the fighting at the Airport. I can´t link it here, too graphic.

IMO the blond journalist is taking too many risks, besides not wearing the helmet most of the time in dangerous areas.

[Tonci87 163]

IMO the blond journalist is taking too many risks, besides not wearing the helmet most of the time in dangerous areas.

Yeah and going into the morgue was distastefull....

[mistyronin 1181]

Yeah and going into the morgue was distastefull....

Agree. I'm sorry, but I don't like him much, he seems a rookie, while Simon is really professional and clearly a much more veteran journalist.

BTW, about Simon... he was captured twice last week by the Ukrainian Army:

( Vice News ) Ukrainian Troops Captured Me and Then Asked for a Selfie

I'll quote one of the commentator of that piece of news:

Now I see why they've been calling the seires "Russian Roulette": he's going to keep pulling the tigger until a bullet comes out. I love the guy's dispatches but please stay safe.

Edited May 28, 2014 by MistyRonin

[vilas 477]

in the press there is info, that among killed militants lots had no Ukrainian passports but Russian and they came from Caucasus region, so they came to battle from Russia, they are not local citiziens fighting with Ukrainian state, they are Russian mercenaries probably payed by Putin, some of corpses after checking had Russian doccuments according to press news today

we know who were "green men" on Crimea, they were Russian army while all Russian state lied they were locals, now in East Ukraine we seem to have similar situation but this time Ukrainian state is not giving up like Crimea

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dcf5e16e-e5bc-11e3-aeef-00144feabdc0.html#axzz335Og6xuF

also found in English spoken press

p.s.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/24/russia-toughens-punishment-separatist-ideas

manwhile in Russia more information control

Edited May 29, 2014 by vilas

[ProfTournesol 956]

Another Ukrainian helicopter downed, killing 14 people, among which an Ukrainian general could have died : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27618681

[JdB 151]

in the press there is info, that among killed militants lots had no Ukrainian passports but Russian and they came from Caucasus region, so they came to battle from Russia, they are not local citiziens fighting with Ukrainian state, they are Russian mercenaries probably payed by Putin, some of corpses after checking had Russian doccuments according to press news today

The Ukrainian army hasn't been able to conduct effective operations against the insurgents except for a few elite units while the insurgents operate highly efficiently conducting large scale ambushes and shooting down helicopters regularly. The only military experience these insurgents could possibly have given the Russian public stance towards the conflict is the same crappy training that the pro-Maidan forces have yet they are successful while the organized Ukrainian military fails completely. But I'm sure all of the units carrying out these successful attacks weren't planned, equipped, led and/or carried out by Russian special forces themselves ... :j:

[vilas 477]

nice interview in Polish press with Slavyansk separatists:

guy says he hopes there will be time to kill Poles and anex Poland to "great Russia"

[Tonci87 163]

New Dispatch

Civilians are leaving the City of Sloviansk.

The self proclaimed asshole major of Sloviansk has announced that the missing OSCE observers are in his custody.

It seems as if many of the separatist fighters are from Russia and more are coming every day. They are also bringing sophisticated weapons with them. The Russian government is doing nothing to stop them.

[ProfTournesol 956]

The Russian government is doing nothing to stop them.

Of course. I've just watched the Godfather part one and two, and Putin is acting the same way : saying something, doing the exact contrary.

[Tonci87 163]

Also, almost all Companys in the unstable region are now closed because they can´t work under such conditions. The Economy is going downhill very rapidly. I forsee that much more Civilians will leave when they can´t buy any more food.

[surpher 1]

(Al Jazeera) Ukraine Live Blog Live

Looks like the pro_russians have been fighting against each other today in Donetsk.

[nettrucker 143]

Hi there

I need the help of some of my fellow Russian or Ukranian community members.

in this documentary at 1.24.54 starts a phone call of Yulia Tymoshenko to some guy. At the end of the phone call is she actually saying to kill the Russian part of the Ukranian population by nuking them?

I just need a confirmation about this. Sorry but I don't speak Russian or Ukranian.

Thanks in advance

[blu3sman 11]

in this documentary at 1.24.54 starts a phone call of Yulia Tymoshenko to some guy. At the end of the phone call is she actually saying to kill the Russian part of the Ukranian population by nuking them?

I just need a confirmation about this. Sorry but I don't speak Russian or Ukranian.

Thanks in advance

From an edited recording it sounds like she does, yes.

How you even found such "documentary"? I've watced a few fragments and it feels like a full on brainwashing.

[mistyronin 1181]

( Reuters ) Ukraine separatists down army helicopter, 14 killed

In an admission that the rebels were being supported by Russian militia fighters, the leader of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic, Denis Pushilin, said: "Those who are volunteers from Russia will be taken to Russia today."

At Donetsk's Kalinin morgue, where the dead from the violence were taken, 30 coffins were laid out in rows on Thursday. "Yes. They're going to Russia," said an orthodox priest, who was edgy and did not wish to be named.

A separatist fighter, who gave his name only as Varan and said he was from the breakaway Georgian territory of Abkhazia, said he believed a total of 33 bodies of those killed this week would be taken back to Russia.

Wearing combat fatigues, body armour and reflective sunglasses, Varan told a Reuters correspondent outside Donetsk morgue that the separatists included fighters from Chechnya, Moscow and the southern Russian city of Rostov.

[nettrucker 143]

From an edited recording it sounds like she does, yes.

How you even found such "documentary"? I've watced a few fragments and it feels like a full on brainwashing.

Thanks for your answer which is very much appreciated. Please watch the whole documentary before doing any judgements. BTW brainwashing from which side?

[vilas 477]

Russian propaganda is f* sick, now they write in their press "Russians are killed by Red Sector, CIA and Polish soldiers" , they wrote about "Polish death squads" attacking Russians

they are really brainwashed and sick to write that our Army is present in East Ukraine along with Right Sector and CIA

moreover they write that USA and Poland organized Maidan for economical results (if Ukraine joins EU we are all unemployed, so it is 200% bullshit, noone here wants Ukraine in EU, maybe English employers or German employers want Ua in EU, but noone other due to cheap labour issue and organized crime that will hit Poland, but according to Russian press we want UA in EU, we want UA in NATO, but never in EU )

it is visibile from centuries, Russia (tsar, USSR) attacks Poland and says we are guilty (as visible here in topic about "victims" of red army who attacked my territory) , now in Russian press starts anti-Polish propaganda calling us fascists (while fascists or nazis in my country even have no 1%, main ruling parties are politically correct EU puppets, liberals and socialists while nazi Zhyrinovsky has 12% in Russia, commies praising Stalin criminal have over 20% and fascist Putin has rest)

it is visible that sick Putin wants to rebuild empire from XIX century and he is treat to other nations , because he want occupy other lands (meanwhile Russians as blind ask why do we hate them ;) )

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http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/gid,16639871,kat,1356,title,Nowa-bron-separatystow-Zywa-tarcza-z-rodzin-zolnierzy,galeria.html

important news - Russians (pro-Russians, eastern Ukraine Russian nationality, not Russian citizens ) used families of Ukrainian soldiers as human shield !!!!' they abducted mothers, wifes of Ukrainian soldiers and used them as living human shield !!!

for such terroristic act they all should be eliminated

on another news there is photo which i cannot post here due to rights, but two Ukrainian teenagers who supported Euro_Maidan were kidnapped and killed by ... cutting their stomachs open to let them bleed to death in starvation

and they dare to accuse Ukrainians about fascism while they do what Banderas were doing in 1940s themselves

for sure now Russian media will say that Red Sector is using human shields, not Russians from Eastern Ukraine

p.s.

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/lbid,7682,title,Separatysci-zestrzelili-wojskowy-smiglowiec-Zginelo-12-zolnierzy,nazywo.html

attack from Russian side on Ukrainian border, Russian gov. and Border Guard do nothing while armed guys from Russian territory attack Ukraine

meanwhile in Abhazia (ex USSR republic) also separatist pro-join-Russia movement happens

Putin as evil imperialist tries to start WW3

Edited May 30, 2014 by vilas

[vilas 477]

latest new - Russian terrorists claim they are ready to blow up toxic stuff, which is in Slavyansk, cause there is some chemicalia used in water-cleaning facility located in this city :

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Minister-obrony-Ukrainy-separatysci-chca-wysadzic-pojemniki-z-trujaca-substancja,wid,16642805,wiadomosc.html

they blackmail Ukraine to cause large disaster by blowing up chemical toxic materials storet in water-clean facility such as Chlorine, sounds like chemical warfare

[Tonci87 163]

OK, I have toask, how trustworthy is http://wiadomosci.wp.pl? Because they do sound a lot like rainbow press....

[vilas 477]

it is mainstream website, such as BBC, CNN, etc. it is one of mainstreams : wp.pl, onet.pl, interia.pl < mainstream, politically-correct, not right wing, rather left wing, usually connected with big mainstream TV stations (pro-EU etc) that belong to international corporations,

it is not website that writes about being raped by Aliens from UFO, western press afraids to write more, reason ? Germans want to deal with Russia, sell BMW, Audi, Bosch, Mercedes, VW etc. France want to sell Mistrall etc.

it was visible in begining that west was more filtrating informations, cause British banks have big money business in Russian market etc.

when Ukraine had problems, many western (especially German and French) websites were not writing too much, due to serios economical (export) relations with Russian market (business over human cause)

also you must have in mind, that while German business afraid to loose profits, Poland already lost profits (pork market, farmers) so we are in other position when comes to inform about Russia ,

so Poland when comes to information is (not only neigbor and country which was occupied by Russians for centuries) but also not being so much afraid of loss (cause we already lost in export) so we are not in stage of Merkel or France (which has big serious weaponry contracts with Russian Federation)

also western jorunalists are not that sensitive on such issues, due to fact, that their countries do not border with Ukraine/Russia, and they never were occupied, we were, since 1790s-1914, than after getting independence in 1918 we were attacked in 1919-1921, than 1939-1989

media that belongs to big corporations for sure would not write about this, if it was for example made by USA , just like in Germany big media would not write about politically-incorrect stuff,

but this time our media for sure inform more than west, we do not have such big money business with Russia as German exporters etc. (thats why German politicians lead in softening situation with Russia )

Edited May 30, 2014 by vilas

[surpher 1]

(OSCE) Luhansk-based Monitors Detained

KYIV, 30 May 2014 - At around 19:00 yesterday the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission (SMM) to Ukraine lost contact with some members of its Luhansk-based team.

The team was stopped in the town of Severodonetsk (100km north of Luhansk) by armed men.

(Al Jazeera) Russian-led rebels dig in for Ukraine attack

Vostok Battalion takes over Donetsk government HQ, removing rebel administration and preparing defences against attack.