When is this game going to be good?

[NeuroFunker 11]

i disagree the PVP part is small because the game modes made by BIS aren't enjoyable

when you join in game have a awful lobby

don't have squad system

don't have class system

don't have spawn system

the entire game is a mess, with different UI

Huge maps small number players

etc etc

i see now, then you probably should go play battlefield then. Arma is a different game.

[Minoza 11]

i see now, then you probably should go play battlefield then. Arma is a different game.

So, as a solution to bad design decisions you propose playing BF instead? I sure hope that BI doesn't share your attitude.

So stop playing poorly designed missions. Arma has all of these things if the mission designer implements them.

You'll probably understand why not everyone is too happy about their online experience being solely in hands of random mission designers.

Edited September 9, 2013 by Minoza

[Dovafox 10]

i see now, then you probably should go play battlefield then. Arma is a different game.

What a waste of posts, you could have stayed with 1337 posts.

Why the heck are people like you so negative? It's his opinions and you tell him to play BF because he has his opinions of game modes?

[Smurf 12]

So stop playing poorly designed missions. Arma has all of these things if the mission designer implements them.

Yes, IF! If it gets implemented, if it works as it should, if the mission designer know how to do it. Too many thing on the back of those mighty creatures called "mission designers".

Even worst is to not have standards for these things that are used a lot in many missions, you have to figure out yourself how to do the same fucking thing over and over again.

i see now, then you probably should go play battlefield then. Arma is a different game.

Please, stop this type of atitude. Arma and BF are way different games and the general Graphic User Interface (GUI!) in Arma is shit, specially for PvP. Anyone who disagree with that is

a) either playing Arma for too long and think its fine because he (after so much time) can manage to use it;

b) not from this planet and isn't aware of every other game ever made that have working things.

Shameless promotion:

I encourage to discuss these issues in here: http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?158503-ArmA-Multiplayer-and-humans

Because I fell like these problems are seriously maiming the MP part of the game that could be SO MUCH better.

[almanzo 144]

So, as a solution to bad design decisions you propose playing BF instead? I sure hope that BI doesn't share your attitude.

No, the problem there is that everything he requested actually is IN THE GAME. He is right about one thing, the lack of good PvP missions out of the box... The thing is, there is no good Coop missions out of the box either... The showcases are there to show features.

and before being accused of being a fan boy, read up my last point in this very tread. There are a bunch of stuff in AIII I am very, very dissappointed about, but I can't sit still and just look at people who requests things that are allready there.

edit: Oh, and just wait for it:

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?163550-Tactical-Battlefield-A-PvP-Gameplay-Modification&p=2495040#post2495040

Edited September 9, 2013 by aLmAnZo

[clifdenhill 1]

Yes, IF! If it gets implemented, if it works as it should, if the mission designer know how to do it. Too many thing on the back of those mighty creatures called "mission designers".

Even worst is to not have standards for these things that are used a lot in many missions, you have to figure out yourself how to do the same fucking thing over and over again.

Please, stop this type of atitude. Arma and BF are way different games and the general Graphic User Interface (GUI!) in Arma is shit, specially for PvP.

I agree the reason some ppl are here is to play a great arma game not go back to playing battlefield because when the community brings up legit problems with arma some ppl just don't wanna hear it.

[zukov 490]

What are you looking for? TDM? CTF? The same boring game modes that have been played out ad nauseum by every other game out there? Arma allows us to move past all of that. If you don't like what the community is producing, join the effort and help make things better, rather than sitting idly by and complaining.

in alpha and beta and on final release, we have not even those

[Smurf 12]

What are you looking for? TDM? CTF? The same boring game modes that have been played out ad nauseum by every other game out there? Arma allows us to move past all of that.

Yep, to Wasteland, Life and Domination (and similar) while everything else went downhill. Great.

The much enhanced control\animation is a hope to bring back the PvP people.

Edited September 9, 2013 by Smurf

[NeuroFunker 11]

in alpha and beta and on final release, we have not even those

say what? Ive played simple TDM missions from alpha on, i was telling this you, at our "this game is not for pvp discussion", now you say there are none? I'm sorry, but do you ever try to open the server browser?

[scaramoosh 10]

Who says it has to be standard online FPS modes? They could have constructed something original, instead they've done nothing.

[Minoza 11]

It is perfectly ok for people to complain when it's justified and backed with suggestions on how to improve. You can't expect community doing developers work.

Edited September 10, 2013 by Minoza

[Minoza 11]

People are complaining because of missing official content.

Edited September 10, 2013 by Minoza

[Smurf 12]

People are complaining because of missing official content.

Or modules\templates\UI for things used often on them like squad management, "who is riding with me in the vehicle" and more.

[metalcraze 290]

The much enhanced control\animation is a hope to bring back the PvP people.

Ironically the fact that ShackTac gets their PvP fix from Project Reality for BF2 among almost total absence of PvP servers for the past 6 months says a lot about how successful that attempt is.

But hey at least BIS took soldier movement to a ridiculous extreme ruining it in many ways.

Changes made in ArmA3 made it perfect for Wasteland and completely inferior for everything else it seems. Is PvP fun when everybody is a one man army with superhuman abilities?

Edited September 10, 2013 by metalcraze

[Smurf 12]

Ironically the fact that ShackTac gets their PvP fix from Project Reality for BF2 among almost total absence of PvP servers for the past 6 months says a lot about how successful that attempt is.

FFS!

Yeah, they dropped a not released game (and more incomplete when PR videos were made) for a mod, entirely based on PvP (and they done it VERY well), in development for 8 (EIGHT!) years! On it's launch! OMG! ARMA 3 IS RUINED!

One-man-army cases are less frequent from the little I saw on the MP, whereas in A2 you could take 2 main weapons, a luncher, ammo e whatnot. But "OMG it SPINS!", fair enough, but it's a trade that I would take anytime. And it still can be tweaked!

A2 movements didn't had inertia, aiming was mostly shit and CQB was inexistant. It was just bad but I guess some of you got too used to that to let it go huh?

Why are you still in the A3 part of the forums when you don't want to like the game?

[NeuroFunker 11]

FFS!

Yeah, they dropped a not released game (and more incomplete when PR videos were made) for a mod, entirely based on PvP (and they done it VERY well), in development for 8 (EIGHT!) years! On it's launch! OMG! ARMA 3 IS RUINED!

One-man-army cases are less frequent from the little I saw on the MP, whereas in A2 you could take 2 main weapons, a luncher, ammo e whatnot. But "OMG it SPINS!", fair enough, but it's a trade that I would take anytime. And it still can be tweaked!

A2 movements didn't had inertia, aiming was mostly shit and CQB was inexistant. It was just bad but I guess some of you got too used to that to let it go huh?

Why are you still in the A3 part of the forums when you don't want to like the game?

i guess, he is trying, to overconvice the people here with his negative opinion. Why else he would be here, on so much hatred arma 3 forums then?

[icewindo 29]

He may have voiced it abit differently/softer but I see myself in the same boat.

Why do I bother with 20fps in MP, hackers and (compared to PR) bad public MP when I can just boot up PR. I and a buddy are doing just that. Sure, there's organized ArmA events for coop and PVP which will play far better, but still there's the performance issue. And sometimes you don't want to wait for an event.

FFS!

One-man-army cases are less frequent from the little I saw on the MP, whereas in A2 you could take 2 main weapons, a luncher, ammo e whatnot.

Yet you can carry like 30+ mags for your assault weapon. Something seems wrong with the carrying capacity and it doesn't seem to bother people as much as me.

edit: Sorry, I was wrong.

It's 69 mags.

http://s7.directupload.net/images/130910/4qviswk3.png

Edited September 10, 2013 by Icewindo

[-ghost-tf 12]

whereas in A2 you could take 2 main weapons

Nope, you cannot.

fair enough, but it's a trade that I would take anytime.

Opinions.. :)

A2 movements didn't had inertia, aiming was mostly shit and CQB was inexistant.

A2's movement was not perfect, and had alot of issues but it was certainly better then what we have now (IMO), making the new system also shit :P

Why are you still in the A3 part of the forums when you don't want to like the game?

If he didnt care, he wouldnt be here.

[David77 10]

My problem with it is there is no structure, it's sort of like a map where you just let players do what they want with it. Now this is great in concept but it just leads to 99% of the servers being complete garbage, the game isn't fun to play. I've only have 1 or 2 great experiences and those were months apart, it just takes too long to get anything good going on in this game and I end up just not bothering. It's why I liked Dayz because it put structure into ARMA 2, made it simple to just get in and play and not have to spend ages looking for a good server with something going on. If I'm honest the only reason I bought this game was the hope of Dayz being ported to the main island. However I have genuinely tried to play it as an ARMA game....... sadly though it's just too time consuming to try and find fun gameplay on a server.

The biggest issue is I have a 780, 4770K, 16GB ram, installed to an SSD, an Asus D2X sound card and I'm only running at 1080p. However for some reason the game runs at 30fps and if I go into a town it's down to 13fps. The whole point of this new engine was to make the game fun better and it just runs worse than ARMA 2, even worse than Dayz. Every time I see the words "CPU Heavy" I run a mile because why would you go CPU heavy? GPUs are like 10 times more powerful and games like BF3 and Crysis 3 prove you can make an amazing looking game and have it running at 100+ fps. I'm sick of the excuses of it being a large island...... fuck all is going on in it and it's not all rendered at the same time. GTA V is a massive land mass and oh look that runs well on console hardware that's 8 years old at this point and it looks amazing as well. If I look at my hardware usage while I'm playing the game isn't heavy on anything, it's just poorly optimized. If you cannot make a game run well on top of the line hardware from today, then you've failed, buy an engine that actually works....

This whole game is a complete let down for me, it's failed to be quite honest and I see so many assets that were from ARMA 2, in fact the game looks like ARMA 2 with new lighting.

All I can do now is wait and hope someone makes a good mod so I haven't completely wasted my money.

It's a sandbox game. The game relies on it's community to make content. The game is still in beta. The game is CPU heavy because the AI aren't scripted, they essentially have a brain.

Edited September 10, 2013 by David77

[icewindo 29]

It's a sandbox game. The game relies on it's community to make content. The game is still in beta. The game is CPU heavy because the AI aren't scripted, they essentially have a brain.

Still, the MP performance is worse than in ArmA2, atleast for me. SP is fine.

[NeuroFunker 11]

Still, the MP performance is worse than in ArmA2, atleast for me. SP is fine.

still, depends on the server you join.

[Tacti-Cool 10]

Nope, you cannot.

I believe he's referring to the ACE mod, where you could take 2 primaries, One in your hands and one in your "on back" slot

Edited September 10, 2013 by Tacti-Cool
typo

[ric 1]

still, depends on the server you join.

do you have a server?

[xendance 3]

Wut? People are actually saying that movement in arma 2 was better than in arma 3? Why? How?

I only remember "ok, steady now, take one step forward while crouched" and then the game is like "NO I THINK YOU WANTED TO RUN A FEW STEPS OUT OF THE COVER" *BLAM*

[fujix 11]

Wut? People are actually saying that movement in arma 2 was better than in arma 3? Why? How?

People say all kinds of weird stuff on this forum :D

Arma 3 is a step back from Arma 2 in many ways, movement is not one of them. Arma 2 movement was very bad.