Dragon Rising has been released

[vilas 477]

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beware of real Dragons ! and behold Rice of darkness:

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hellalluyah to Codemasters

[gulag 10]

Luhgnut;1485670']You know' date=' some of the Chinese players are a tad upset with the music. They say it is supposed to be Chinese but listen to the guys voice. He sounds like he's puking.[/quote']

there singing drunken master, but as the way that girl sings, I think she is drunk to.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

there singing drunken master, but as the way that girl sings, I think she is drunk to.

Ah, ok. That makes sense.

[bascule42 10]

But wasn't the whole team pissed up, must have been to make the claims they did.

[PuFu 4600]

This made my day...best customer support reply i've seen yet:

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395959

[von_paulus 0]

This made my day...best customer support reply i've seen yet:

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395959

:eek::eek::eek:

They have some nerve...

[eble 3]

This made my day...best customer support reply i've seen yet:

http://community.codemasters.com/forum/showthread.php?t=395959

that would be unblievable if it wasn't in print.

CM blaming everything but P2P for the lag, they know it's causing the problems yet ask the guy to swop ISP!

If anyone wants money back on this title I'm 100% sure you could get it as it clearly states (dedicated servers) on the box.

The game has been mis-sold to people.

MP servers are down to 5 at the moment I'm guesing in the next few days it will hit zero, I knew OFP-DR wouldn't be a arma2 killer but I honestly didn't expect the game to die within 6 weeks, they must be setting some sort of record.

No dedicated servers, now no online community

game is totally locked and encrypted, forget modding

only mods that did come out were game tweaks that created cheats

Forums are a blood bath, say anything other than OFP-DR is great and expect bans/infractions, your not even able to discuss anything without mods closing the threads.

No dev feedback what so ever.

Edited November 11, 2009 by Eble

[viibez 10]

Game looks & feels nice, but soo much running, and it seems to take forever.

Vehicles are a waste of time.

The editor looks more exciting than the game itself. but i dont think i will spend the time to learn it..

i just finished campaign, boringly repetitive, kill spotter & AT teams, follow our stupid waypoint path! whats the point of it being open world, it felt as if flanking was illegal or something! And nearly all the missions were "expedite your mission" hurry up! not much stealth involved. Lack of campaign features, no helo missions and no tanks wth! :eek:

And to add insult to injury no single missions :butbut:

Arma 2 is really Operation Flashpoint 2!

[Daddl 10]

:eek::eek::eek:

They have some nerve...

Why? If players host the games (on unknown hardware hardware, behind unknown networks - none of which are under control of CM), what can they do apart from what they wrote? It's a standard answer, sure, but that doesn't make it wrong. Maybe they further improve MP in future patches, maybe not, maybe it's just the shitty connection of the one asking the question, maybe it's the low popularity of the game that leads to hosts being fewer and further away. Doesn't matter: for the moment the recommended measures are all that might improve the situation or at least help finding the cause. More helpful then just saying 'can't help you there, buddy, can't do a thing'.

[mr_centipede 31]

The keyword there is dedicated server... They even acknowledge its importance, by saying the game was hosted on the user PC, not through a dedicated server, hence the problem. But there wont be a dedicated server right?

[Daddl 10]

The keyword there is dedicated server... They even acknowledge its importance, by saying the game was hosted on the user PC, not through a dedicated server, hence the problem. But there wont be a dedicated server right?

If it's user hosted dedicated servers (like we have with OFP, ArmA, etc.) the result might actually not differ much from non-dedicated servers. Of course if Codies were hosting the servers you might have a point, but even then their recommendations aren't bad advice. Fact is there are no dedicated servers, fact is that's what we AND the CM support line have to work with. Blame the CM management for not allowing the devs to create a dedicated server and for not hosting games themselves, but don't blame the support line who try their best to help you under the current circumstances. That's just silly.

[Bulldogs 10]

It's a scripted response. Most customer service centres are filled with people at level 1 who don't really know much about anything. They are trained to give scripted responses to situations, as in if you have latency issues, give a generic "how to improve your internet connection" response.

Like when I played WoW and we had a boss bug in the middle of a raid. 40 people couldn't kill the boss or do anything, contacted ingame customer support (Game Masters) and explained the situation and the response I got was "Please delete your cache and restart your computer", I replied "Sure, I could do that, but I'm not running the server with 5000 people on it"... he was confused.

[mr_centipede 31]

Blame the CM management for not allowing the devs to create a dedicated server and for not hosting games themselves.

I thought that's what we've been doing?

[bangtail 0]

If it's user hosted dedicated servers (like we have with OFP, ArmA, etc.) the result might actually not differ much from non-dedicated servers. Of course if Codies were hosting the servers you might have a point, but even then their recommendations aren't bad advice. Fact is there are no dedicated servers, fact is that's what we AND the CM support line have to work with. Blame the CM management for not allowing the devs to create a dedicated server and for not hosting games themselves, but don't blame the support line who try their best to help you under the current circumstances. That's just silly.

Exactly why are you here defending certain departments of CM? Is that what you people have been reduced to?

CM released a sub standard game.

CM lied to their community (consistently).

CM tried to use the prestigious OFP name to sell something that is absolutely nothing like the original OFP.

Seriously, the game failed, people were/are super f**king pissed and I really don't think anyone cares which department at CM is responsible.

Bottom line is that DR is an average game (at best) that will never live up to it's namesake.

I think your efforts would be more appreciated over at the CM forums. Most people here stopped caring about DR after a few minutes of "hands on" gameplay.

Just another in a long line of painfully average consolesque first person shooters.

Edited November 11, 2009 by BangTail

[PuFu 4600]

If it's user hosted dedicated servers (like we have with OFP, ArmA, etc.) the result might actually not differ much from non-dedicated servers.

Not sure what you mean by this:

1. if you are talking about users creating a server via MP gamemode, that is NOT called dedicated servers

2. if you are talking about communities or certain individuals that have a server of their own (different box than the client machine) and provide a a dedicated server to the rest of the community (or keep it private), then those servers are usually on a 100MBs line in a coo-location or alike (just like my clan's), and all their CPU power is used for the game, then that's something else...

How many clients are having a 100MBs line atm...

Of course if Codies were hosting the servers you might have a point, but even then their recommendations aren't bad advice.

The guy is asking why is he loosing connection all the time, and they are saying it is because of his ISP...gimme a break...Why do I loose connection when trying to play DR (connecting to another client server), but i never do when playing a game on a dedi server? I am on the same ISP

Fact is there are no dedicated servers, fact is that's what we AND the CM support line have to work with.

Blame the CM management for not allowing the devs to create a dedicated server and for not hosting games themselves, but don't blame the support line who try their best to help you under the current circumstances. That's just silly.

LOL...now you are being childish...do you think someone from CM management said: NO, there will be no dedi servers, i forbid you to do that? I can bet it didn't go that way for sure..It is because of the port over, and engine limitations...

Secondly, look at IW and their MW2: they said no to dedi servers in order to have a better control over the MP part of the game (cheaters, pirated games etc etc). There IS a reason behind it there.

While for CM there is no reason: there is no CD check(there was always one with an illegit version of the game in any MP game, and bragging off), there is no server control abilities, there is nothing to justify the lack of dedi servers. So please get on the ground and understand that the CM management has nothing to do with the current situation regarding this issue

[Daddl 10]

Exactly why are you here defending certain departments of CM? Is that what you people have been reduced to?

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Seriously, the game failed, people were/are super f**king pissed and I really don't think anyone cares which department at CM is responsible.

No, the point is that you people complain about the wrong things to the wrong people. The support people have nothing to do with the reasons you hate the game (imho 'hating' a game is silly enough), and that post was a very poor example of the things that actually ARE wrong with DR. It's the management that dictated the cuts, and the devs and testers who delivered a bugged game.

The fact that many here don't seem to make even basic distinctions and even need to use stuff like the above support mail to 'prove' CM's evil nature shows how seriously one should take your comments.

Bottom line is that DR is an average game (at best) that will never live up to it's namesake.

What's wrong with an average game? It's not the POS you people make it look like, and it's not the brilliant ArmA killer nobody expected anyways. If you don't like it (or actually hate it), then I recommend staying away from it, and not whining about it all day.

Seriously, some people here should get a live...

[4 IN 1 0]

Secondly, look at IW and their MW2: they said no to dedi servers in order to have a better control over the MP part of the game (cheaters, pirated games etc etc). There IS a reason behind it there.

Do you mean "There IS a (fake)reason behind it there."? :p

[Zipper5 74]

Might want to tone down the flaming a bit.

CM are terrible developers and are terrible at communication. DR has exposed this once and for all. There is no way, at all, that you can argue against this. It is simply terrible.

What's wrong with hating a game that took many peoples' money, promising them certain features, not delivering them, and then being completely abandoned by the developers? In my opinion, that's easily grounds to hate a game. Hardly "silly"...

You can't really distinguish management and developers with DR, since CM both published and developed the game. Unlike, say, MW2, where it's very likely a lot of the cuts from it were a decision by the publisher, Activision, and not InfinityWard. Don't quote me on that last bit, though. Therefore, the cuts are there because CM either didn't want them, or were too lazy to implement them, since they are the only ones involved in the developing of the game.

It's solid grounds to hate on a developer for taking a title with such a reputation as Operation Flashpoint and driving it into the ground. Average games are hardly worth money when there are many higher quality titles out there. This was just construed to fool people into thinking it was a high quality title, and people expected it giving the name's reputation.. So don't say that we can only be positive about the game, and can't complain about it:

If you don't like it (or actually hate it), then I recommend staying away from it, and not whining about it all day.

[Daddl 10]

Not sure what you mean by this:

2. if you are talking about communities or certain individuals that have a server of their own (different box than the client machine)

I meant this, thank you. I've been playing OFP for long enough in MP to know these distictions. If you have a good hosting site that can run a game like DR or ArmA, then it's fine, but not everyone has that. I remember the OFP beginnings when many dedicated servers were hostet on people's spare PCs, with the upstream limited by their meagre ADSL connections and few squads could afford servers powerfull enough to support missions with more than 8-12 players.

The guy is asking why is he loosing connection all the time, and they are saying it is because of his ISP...

He's also asking about poor pings - and connection problems, playing via WLAN, bad routers, etc. CAN cause lost connections.

do you think someone from CM management said: NO, there will be no dedi servers, i forbid you to do that? I can bet it didn't go that way for sure..It is because of the port over, and engine limitations...

Now you show that you don't understand the least about software development. Basically if they have the code to have a player host an mp game, they can also create a simple dedicated server software with little extra effort. It just needs extra time and resources. And whether that time and those resources (manpower: devs & testers) is being made available IS a management descision. Also if they want it the easy way, they don't need to port anything - they could have done the same thing BIS did with it's OFP dedicated servers - just release a Windows dedicated server first (and maybe later a Linux version if demand is high enough).

Secondly, look at IW and their MW2: they said no to dedi servers in order to have a better control over the MP part of the game (cheaters, pirated games etc etc). There IS a reason behind it there.

The same as above: whether the extra effort to make dedicated servers safe is undertaken or not is a prime example of what a management decision is. Management decides how much money (=> man hours for devs and testers) is put into a project. If a project starts taking longer than expected (remember it's CMs first attempt at such a game), then it's either 'more money' or 'cut stuff'. Devs usually have little say in these decisions if working in big companies.

[riffleman 20]

Very diappointing reviews.

[froggyluv 2136]

Whether one calls it hating or just negative criticism - if any title I have ever come across deserved it - it is indeed DR.

Never have I seen such a "shoe-shine" job done on awaiting fans as CM had the nerve to muster. From their proud early claims of revolutionary in almost every department, to their underhanded attempts to fool the ignorant of their involvement with the original title, to their keeping silent on features that were expected and standard in mil/tac shooters, to their final blow of probably the most insulting, laughable patch I've ever seen.

People already gave their money to CM, what is their last course of action? Lawsuits? Don't think so.

Widespread negative response between gamers is really the only course of action that can have any real effect, at least on CM's standing and their ability to shoe-shine, I mean sell future products.

[bangtail 0]

No, the point is that you people complain about the wrong things to the wrong people. The support people have nothing to do with the reasons you hate the game (imho 'hating' a game is silly enough), and that post was a very poor example of the things that actually ARE wrong with DR. It's the management that dictated the cuts, and the devs and testers who delivered a bugged game.

The fact that many here don't seem to make even basic distinctions and even need to use stuff like the above support mail to 'prove' CM's evil nature shows how seriously one should take your comments.

What's wrong with an average game? It's not the POS you people make it look like, and it's not the brilliant ArmA killer nobody expected anyways. If you don't like it (or actually hate it), then I recommend staying away from it, and not whining about it all day.

Seriously, some people here should get a live...

This most assuredly is not the place for DR worship.

Secondly, opinions are subjective. You like it, most people here don't. If you want a discussion with people who share your opinion, this certainly isn't the place and you are always going to be fighting an uphill battle.

And who the hell are you to tell people to get a life (not live)? You're only here to annoy people and at this point, that's wildly pathetic. Before the game released and, to a certain extent, in the few days afterwards when DR had some modicum of relevance, I understood why the DR fanboys came here. Now, for you to defend the indefensible, is truly scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Your opinion is no more or less legitimate than anyone else's except that you dismiss everyone else's opinions as some kind of irrational hate campaign against CM when, in fact, many of us wanted a good game and were disappointed by the final product.

And OF COURSE there is a problem with CM's support. Have you even read some of the stupid sh*t they are saying?

DR should have been aborted long before term.

If you don't like it (or actually hate it), then I recommend staying away from it, and not whining about it all day.

If you do like it (or actually love it), then I recommend staying away from the A2 forum and it's fans, and not whining about them whining about it all day.

Fixed :)

Edited November 11, 2009 by BangTail

[bascule42 10]

What's wrong with an average game? It's not the POS you people make it look like.

You're right of course, I have had occasion to admire some of the shapes my german shepherd craps out at times - they could be in a joke shop window. That perfect. No way would I suggest the DR is anything up to that standard. So I apologise, and I think I speak for everyone on these forums, past, present and future, even those who thought of joining and didn't when I do so.

Peace bro..'cause you sure as shit wont get war with DR.

[mattxr 9]

Is this game even being played still? I heard the patch was crap.

[Zipper5 74]

Patch was crap, game was crap, developers are crap, community is crap...

It's crap in general. Let's leave it at that.