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[sparks50 0]

What doesn't look crap in OFP2 models are the faces though. ArmA 2 is definitely deep in the uncanny valley in that department, very creepy stuff.

OFP 2: the face simulator

[Pulverizer 1]

for god sakes revive script have been around for quite a long time, it works and feels like the exam command in ACE mod, only that ACE mod added more content over the basic

Yeah I know, I've used it in both OFP and ArmA1. It doesn't make it any better or less arcadey.

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Pulverizer, I dont think Coddies owns anything else than the name.

I dunno. I asked Marek (or was it Ondrej) about that once but he didn't answer.

I asked if the reason why OFP content wasn't included in ArmA (like they first implied it would if I'm not mistaken) was because of copyright reasons.

[sparks50 0]

They own some sounds too. But nevermind. Would be cool to have some official info on it

[SaBrE_UK 0]

In case anyone's interested- look at the second post in this topic: http://forums.dearwandy.com/viewtopic.php?id=27783&p=1

He then goes on to say that he thinks OFP2 will be aiming towards a more hardcore audience than, say, BF2. He's also the guy who designed the on-screen HUD in OFP2 and other UI elements. Check the topic out

[Raptor 10]

@Maruk,

what about Red Hammer? Wasn't it developed by Codemasters or initialize by them? Maybe he was involved in the development there?  

btw. cool OFP-time link. intressting.

[SaBrE_UK 0]

@Maruk,

what about Red Hammer? Wasn't it developed by Codemasters or initialize by them? Maybe he was a part of the developemt there?  

btw. cool OFP-time link. intressting.

As Maruk said, Clive Lindop joined CM in 2005 if the information is correct.

[MehMan 0]

Pulverizer, I dont think Coddies owns anything else than the name.

I dunno. I asked Marek (or was it Ondrej) about that once but he didn't answer.

I asked if the reason why OFP content wasn't included in ArmA (like they first implied it would if I'm not mistaken) was because of copyright reasons.

i'll requote myself:

Quote[/b] ]Huh? What assets from the original game? They aren't using any in ArmA or ArmA2. Those copyrighted by Codemasters aren't used. And I believe it's only some of the campaign voices that codemasters own. Everything else is the property of BIS.

CM owns the name and a few of the voices.

maybe they didn't port the stuff because it looks like shit by today's standards.

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for god sakes revive script have been around for quite a long time, it works and feels like the exam command in ACE mod, only that ACE mod added more content over the basic

Yeah I know, I've used it in both OFP and ArmA1. It doesn't make it any better or less arcadey.

then there would be no use to bring it up here as it really make no difference on the based gameplay, isnt it?

What doesn't look crap in OFP2 models are the faces though. ArmA 2 is definitely deep in the uncanny valley in that department, very creepy stuff.

but then all i care is if i could use custom face(or clown face if you want to put it that way)

as the matter of fact i dont really care about the "face" of an enemy that you hardly ever see

[Pulverizer 1]

for god sakes revive script have been around for quite a long time, it works and feels like the exam command in ACE mod, only that ACE mod added more content over the basic

Yeah I know, I've used it in both OFP and ArmA1. It doesn't make it any better or less arcadey.

then there would be no use to bring it up here as it really make no difference on the based gameplay, isnt it?

I think it made pretty good sense to bring that up in the context it was posted in. I'm not arguing should it be included in ArmA 2, just that I think it's a pretty dumb mechanic in a game that's supposed to be realistic as opposed to "arcadey shooting".

[hoot 0]

If it's OFP, you'll see a flash - that's it

Edit: @4n1

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i'll requote myself:

Sorry, quoting yourself for truth doesn't work. That is not a statement neither from BIS or CM, just speculation by you.

[Placebo 29]

just speculation by you.

It's not speculation it's fact.

CM own the Flashpoint name and the voices from Flashpoint1, that's it.

[Pulverizer 1]

CM own the Flashpoint name and the voices from Flashpoint1, that's it.

So, now we know there was no legal reason to not include OFP content in ArmA. Thank you for clearing that up.

[MehMan 0]

[Jensen1 0]

Some people thought I was saying CM should sue BI? No I think BI should sue CM, but of course I don't mean they should go bankrupt over it but seriously if CM is claiming they were behind OFP that's just BS and I would sue

[Raphier 0]

Part 2 is released!

Amazing  

Quote[/b] ]Clive Lindop, the game's senior designer, AI specialist and a veteran of the original Flashpoint team.

Umm say what now?

http://www.flashpoint1985.com/team/team.html

Well, During Flashoint development or something close to that, was there a person at Bis offices named Clive Lindpodwhateverhissurnameis. (CodeM represantive?)

Otherwise, that's damn sad of them  

Clive Lindop was never involved in the development of Operation Flashpoint (the first one, not this second one that carries the same name) in any way as far as I can tell. I think it's a very legitimate question to ask Eurogamer and Codemasters what work he did in the original Flashpoint team. And what of his work is in the game he apparently created?

He was never part of the Bohemia Interactive team, his name never, ever came to my attention during the whole period that we developed Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis (with myself as the project lead) and from what I gather he only joined Codemasters in October 2005, after we completed our last project with Codemasters; Operation Flashpoint: Elite for Xbox, despite the fact he lists himself in such a way that some people may believe he was “Art Director†for Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis.

I believe it is very sad that Codemasters are not satisfied simply with owning the Operation Flashpoint name and are also trying to copy everything that made it good and replicate it (how creative is that?), but it sounds like they are also trying to behave like they really are the people behind the development of the original classic Operation Flashpoint Cold War Crisis. Weird.

I really like competition, so Operation Flashpoint 2 (or whatever it’s called today) is good additional motivation for us to make a better game, but this type of attitude is completely unacceptable to me.

I would like to repeat some facts: we worked on the first Operation Flashpoint for a very long time (since 1997), we signed the deal with Codemasters in August 2000 and the game launched in June 2001. I believe that speaks for itself. To anyone interested in learning more about the road to Flashpoint, I definitely suggest our post mortem over at Gamasutra.

Im not in law or anything but can't you sue? If they are really claiming to be behind the original other than being the publisher;

I mean you guys do own the copyrights and everything to OFP except for the name right?

That's like me finding the mona-lisa and saying that i created it and try to make a profit from it. (bad example i know)

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And to the BF2 similarities:

When i first noticed this picture i thought it was BF2 seriously...

Source: OFP2.info

When I saw that picture, I thought that was from COD4 Multiplayer

[bravo 6 0]

CM own the Flashpoint name and the voices from Flashpoint1, that's it.

So, now we know there was no legal reason to not include OFP content in ArmA. Thank you for clearing that up.

pff is that just it?!

Im truly glad and happy CM don't own the musics as well  hihi

GO BIS!!!

[Goeth 0]

...but it sounds like they are also trying to behave like they really are the people behind the development of the original classic Operation Flashpoint Cold War Crisis. Weird.

Quite frankly i also have had that feeling for some time now.

[Pulverizer 1]

Some people thought I was saying CM should sue BI? No I think BI should sue CM, but of course I don't mean they should go bankrupt over it but seriously if CM is claiming they were behind OFP that's just BS and I would sue

No. Nobody's sueing anybody. So they're a bit dishonest about who made what. Get over it. I say more power to them for having the massive balls to go around acting like they did OFP alone

[bravo 6 0]

Some people thought I was saying CM should sue BI? No I think BI should sue CM, but of course I don't mean they should go bankrupt over it but seriously if CM is claiming they were behind OFP that's just BS and I would sue

No. Nobody's sueing anybody. So they're a bit dishonest about who made what. Get over it. I say more power to them for having the massive balls to go around acting like they did OFP alone

I mean, it's obvious, right?

Even Marek himself says that competition with OFP2 is an additional motivation to BIS, so it's reasonable to assume they keep an eye on the OFP2 media and perhaps take some little tips here and there on how to make ArmA 2 even better than OFP 2

hum?!

Your recent posts aren't making much sense today..  

... wake up and read the facts... or relax abit .. take a big breath and come back later.

edit: I forgot to say... GO BIS!!

[walker 0]

Hi all

BIS have pointed out what Clive Lindop said that is incompatible with the facts and may mislead potential customers. Perhaps Clive Lindop would like to take the opportunity to correct any misleading statements he, upon adult reflection, thinks he may have made?

The plane fact is that getting a name for writing and saying misleading things is the marketing equivalent of AIDS.

Magazine publishers tend to look on the possibility of a misleading source with a fear of being dragged into a lawsuit from the end of a large barge pole do they not?

In that light perhaps people will consider what they buy?

Kind Regards walker

[MehMan 0]

Huh? Most people can't tell developers from publishers, so I bet they won't know who the hell clive lindop is.

[Goeth 0]

...who the hell clive lindop is.

He´s the man who created Operation Flashpoint

[Pulverizer 1]

I hear he's the guy who invented the equivalent of AIDS.

Quite possibly, he is also responsible for creating cancer