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Probably the best report, thanks ! notworthy.gif

Edit: let me know if you want to use my camo from INP mod. wink_o.gif

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Love the humvee's, especially the up armored one, will you be adding the armored window slats to the doors possibly? I'll see if I have a picture... Ah nuts, the only one I have is somewhat vague so I'll skip it..but if you want to see some insane up armored ones check these out.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9113/070627m6312k007gu7.jpg

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6928/landhmmwvusafchavisturrlx8.jpg

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9017/landchavisturretlgqo0.jpg

And onto the baddish side of this...as far as the apache..well...everything goes I'd work a bit more on it, first I would highly recommend to not use the black apache texture that helifreak made.

Reason being is that it has been proven time and time again that NO AH-64 has been painted in black, now before people start flashing me with images of 'black' apache's such as this- http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/3289/2087280870097957572zllmkd1.jpg

There is one thing to keep in mind, the apache's camoflauge is highly 'adaptive' so to speak. This is why we see black on overcast days, different shades of brown on some mornings and different shades of green. Examples.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9030/0936719yx3.jpg Brown, but also note the UH-60 beside it, it's brown as well.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/954/382183433ejtptcphra3.jpg brown again.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6280/2420311570093558973fujlid5.jpg not exactly the best camera quality but we can cleary see how sunlight influences the paint job, drasticly in this case.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/6392/imav0726060102ly8.jpg Now we see a different shade further in the center or so of the day, the sky is clear and blue, we see no hint of orange rising or setting sun.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/2032/170415876hesrlafsud0.jpg Again, nice sunny day with no overcast over the bird (yes I know its British MkII but their painted the same as the US variants, I think Netherlands is too..they just have different weather))

I think you get the point, now there is a such thing as a Grey apache, but not without weathering.

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/3989/4977676268c25ddbafdbox1.jpg (note our hint of overcast, not much but that is all it takes)

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4497/675876527afa3048773oce3.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/462/1311050ue2.jpg

The bird is even more influenced by the elements when weathered. Over time the sun bleaches the paint and so on, anyone that wears clothes and especially fatigues alot in the sun understands this whole thing. Also the cleaning process sometimes rubs out some of the paints color, which is why we see smudges and smears, seen even more on Navy helicopters.

The true camoflauge used on the apache is a distinguished by hard to pinpoint color, an olive drab that is on the borders of both Green and Brown

If you have to I'd recommend using Silesians retexture, should be somewhere in the mapfact bunch.

http://ofp.gamepark.cz/index.php?showthis=4539

As for the Apache pilots your retexture is good but the equipment isn't really accurate as far as the vest goes, I did some browsing and I have to date found only one image showing any pilots carrying vests (with less pockets then previous) in digital camo, most likely this is still a new thing and most pilots are still carrying the traditional olive drab with more pockets.

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/5387/61391da1.jpg the digital

One even rarer full outfit http://www.armytimes.com/xml/news/2007/11/army_DSC_071109w/at_yoakum2_800.JPG

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/122/lbrypichz4.jpg traditional but still up to date

And a closeup http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/7513/2004110501bhrmz4.jpg

We'v already talked about the IHADSS so I won't adress those, and I think you guys know about the AIM-9(shouldn't be there), overall I'd say the updates are good, also keep in mind I'm not trying to come off as an upstanding ass, just a person just to assist with the accuracy.

Oh and one more thing if you are looking for a bit more accuracy as far as all infantry go. Nomex gloves come in a bit of variety but the green kind come with a grey um...palm part and the part that trails down.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?....nM:http

I also have gone through two pair and only saw grey (I wear the darn things all the time <.<) Even when washed over and over and dried, etc, they remain grey..

Not sure why BIS texture it green, considering its used on more then just the pilot it would probably give a pretty good boost in accuracy for a simple recolor in photoshop.

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Looking good guys, and a completely new vehicle I see with the Police nissan X-trail, very good!

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I don't like the police car and the Iraq soldiers camo.

What i LOVE is the new pilots, the look how BIS should have make them.

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Not really, to date most pilot flight suits are olive drab, some in the desert theatre wear tan but digital camo is extremely rare, reason being is that there is no need to give the pilots camoflauge like soldiers on the ground.

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that apache is the original and not Apache-Cobras edited version.

Yeah, if you check the screenshots on the site you can tell that my Apache is definitely not those in the new pilot screen shots.

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oh I know, seeing the EFABS and all, I just though maybe the A would be used also (considering it is) etc. By the way about the 'parts', I hope you don't mind about the delay, I'm just sort of waiting to see more progress on the helicopter itself..I am admittedly very edgy about the whole trust thing, don't take it personally though.

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oh I know, seeing the EFABS and all, I just though maybe the A would be used also (considering it is) etc.  By the way about the 'parts', I hope you don't mind about the delay, I'm just sort of waiting to see more progress on the helicopter itself..I am admittedly very edgy about the whole trust thing, don't take it personally though.

Well its just the stock BIS model from OFP directly from Mapfacts air pack- using the black skin that comes with the PBO.

About the parts, I should be the one apologizing, I understand completely how you feel about the parts. I have been busy with other aspects of life so i havent had much progress on the Apache lately. I have the M230 sitting on my HD ready to be attached to the Apache when i have time. Ill contact you when its all good. smile_o.gif

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Not really, to date most pilot flight suits are olive drab, some in the desert theatre wear tan but digital camo is extremely rare, reason being is that there is no need to give the pilots camoflauge like soldiers on the ground.

Seem to be going a bit overboard about the Apache pilots I think. Sure I would like to see them in a semi realistic loadout, but there are so many more important things they can be focusing on that will be seen a lot more than the pilots. My opinion is to build up reasonably realistic ground units and add on from there (ie. tank crew, helicopter pilots, special forces can come later). BTW flight suits in theater are desert tan, not olive drab. Not ACU because they don't have it in nomex yet.

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In truth the pilots vests are good in my opinion, when it comes to apache pilots my main quirk with them is that I would like to see them as apache pilots, meaning IHADSS but I have faith the team will get it.

And no worries Apache-Cobra, I know how that goes all too well, take as much time as ya need..don't be like me and screw it up to where its more of a job then a hobby and you lose interest.

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This is just a question, but why does everone want to model the 3rd Infantry Division? Tons of other units accomplished as much or more and they weren't the onle ones who suffered from teh dreaded extensions of OIF 1, either.So what is it?

Note; I am horribly drunk right now.

*edit*

why dont we all foncus on who is really important? And that is paratroopers. Airborne all the way.

FYI.

A marine company by the nickname "Lucky Lima" (Third Battalion, 25th Marines, Fourth Marine Division, 3/25) Single handedly suffered the most cassualties since the war started. Their unit alone suffered 23 casualties, not to mention the marines attached to their unit who died which equalls up to 45 marines in total. they still got the job done which is what the Corps is all about... read up on them, but if anyone wants to talk about "who did the most" or who "deserves" what, you should read this article. notworthy.gif to those marines...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080705D.shtml

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The idea of A's no longer operating in Iraq seems highly unlikely, even the Alpha's in 07 began recieving Block III upgrades which includes only a few as opposed to the D and I doubt we will ever see Alpha with M-TADS or Pathfinder/Arrowhead.

These images were taken in 07, the thing to note is the railing moving down the tailboom.

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/4053/1278166wm3.jpg

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/9500/1290543ft9.jpg

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8913/1303514ic5.jpg

Naturally there are more but I think thats enough for now.

Oddly enough the only ones invested in Pathfinder so far is US, Japan and Netherlands, though Japan went crazy on their longbow and bought the whole kit, FCR and even AA weapon mounts on the wingtips.

And a BIII LB operating in Iraq.

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5430/dsc02899ty1.jpg

Oh and I'll have those parts to you soon, I want to finish a few things such as the wire cutter between the TADS and PNVS and optimize its bits and so on, in the mean time I would recommend tweaking the cockpit, it will make one heck of a difference.

Oh and since I mentioned it..if you do plan on doing BIII then I better show you Arrowhead and what its linked to.

This is arrowhead, aka Pathfinder, planning to be employed on other helicopters such as CH-47, without M-TADS naturally.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8361/arwhd03lrgbf2.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/8937/66293564ickh2phkaz0.jpg

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7361/arwhd04lrgvs5.jpg

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/6672/arwhdpic2lrgmq2.jpg

M-TADS is linked to TEDAC, which is 90% less in maintaining costs then ORT

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/6633/12952wo9.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/372/12959di5.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2554/12956ix8.jpg

And one last angle, should give you enough info.

http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/9981/12961gz4.jpg

Check Lockheed's website for Pathfinder and Arrowhead for more information, a PDF and video showing the visual differnce between Arrowhead and PNVS.  

Also I have a good several high res images of IHADSS, I'll send those as well via PM, and one last thing.  If you haven't, I highly recommend checking out flickr, I'v found many of my high res images there.

dude, those look like lube tubes that transfer lube between gear boxes... and the shaft...

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All U.S. Apaches will be upgraded/rebuilt to D models. It was budgeted last year. This will be accomplished on Aviation unit resets and/or phased overhauls per airframe. It will also be accomplished by selling the A models to foreign nations and purchasing new D models to replace them.

The FCR is removed on all U.S. Apaches in Iraq/Afghan due to it being useless in that type of conflict. The weight savings is used for more avgas for station time. The millimeter-wave radar guided Hellfire is not therefor needed in Iraq/Afghan. The improved laser-guided Hellfire is used excusively and is much more accurate. The Hellfire has about a 8 KM range but is typically fired between 1.5 to 3 KM's. The average range of a Hellfire shot in Iraq/Afghan is 1.2 to 1.7 KM's. This is due to the need to absolutely identify the target in coordination with the ground forces they are working with. The price tag is roughly $100,000 each. So if you see a video of an insurgent being taken out by a Hellfire his/her life was worth $100,000.

The Arrowhead upgrade is being pushed as fast-as-possible on all U.S. Apaches as it is light years better than the PNVS.

Also budgeted last year was the life extension of the OH-58D to 2016/18. This will be accomplished through software upgrades, satcom radio, and upgraded TV sensor. The new ARH-70 will be rolled out per Aviation Unit reset when it comes online.

The paint used on U.S. Army helicopters is called C.A.R.C. ( Chemical Agent Resistant Coating ). It does not help with IR/heat only the easier removal of chemical/nuke contaminants. It is sort of a rubbery latex. It does not weather very well. It is usually repainted when the aircraft goes through a major phase maintenance cycle. The paint is highly carcenigenic <-spelling in it's liquid form and the applier must be fully protected when appling.

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I dont remember if i said this before but all of the Apaches in service with the Army will be a Delta model by the end of this year.

And about the skin, I am still working on that. Though i think in the WIP shots on our site it looks good, I still want to better it.

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This is just a question, but why does everone want to model the 3rd Infantry Division? Tons of other units accomplished as much or more and they weren't the onle ones who suffered from teh dreaded extensions of OIF 1, either.So what is it?

Note; I am horribly drunk right now.

*edit*

why dont we all foncus on who is really important? And that is paratroopers. Airborne all the way.

FYI.

A marine company by the nickname "Lucky Lima" (Third Battalion, 25th Marines, Fourth Marine Division, 3/25) Single handedly suffered the most cassualties since the war started. Their unit alone suffered 23 casualties, not to mention the marines attached to their unit who died which equalls up to 45 marines in total. they still got the job done which is what the Corps is all about... read up on them, but if anyone wants to talk about "who did the most" or who "deserves" what, you should read this article. notworthy.gif to those marines...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080705D.shtml

Wow, really late post. Plus, I was probably drunk as I said. Anyways, I don't understand the purpose behind your reply? I was saying other units accomplished "as much or more," as the 3rd ID. Your post suggests I said something other than that?

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This is just a question, but why does everone want to model the 3rd Infantry Division? Tons of other units accomplished as much or more and they weren't the onle ones who suffered from teh dreaded extensions of OIF 1, either.So what is it?

Note; I am horribly drunk right now.

*edit*

why dont we all foncus on who is really important? And that is paratroopers. Airborne all the way.

FYI.

A marine company by the nickname "Lucky Lima" (Third Battalion, 25th Marines, Fourth Marine Division, 3/25) Single handedly suffered the most cassualties since the war started. Their unit alone suffered 23 casualties, not to mention the marines attached to their unit who died which equalls up to 45 marines in total. they still got the job done which is what the Corps is all about... read up on them, but if anyone wants to talk about "who did the most" or who "deserves" what, you should read this article. notworthy.gif  to those marines...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080705D.shtml

Wow, really late post. Plus, I was probably drunk as I said. Anyways, I don't understand the purpose behind your reply? I was saying other units accomplished "as much or more," as the 3rd ID. Your post suggests I said something other than that?

nevermind, mistunderstood

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This is just a question, but why does everone want to model the 3rd Infantry Division? Tons of other units accomplished as much or more and they weren't the onle ones who suffered from teh dreaded extensions of OIF 1, either.So what is it?

Note; I am horribly drunk right now.

*edit*

why dont we all foncus on who is really important? And that is paratroopers. Airborne all the way.

FYI.

A marine company by the nickname "Lucky Lima" (Third Battalion, 25th Marines, Fourth Marine Division, 3/25) Single handedly suffered the most cassualties since the war started. Their unit alone suffered 23 casualties, not to mention the marines attached to their unit who died which equalls up to 45 marines in total. they still got the job done which is what the Corps is all about... read up on them, but if anyone wants to talk about "who did the most" or who "deserves" what, you should read this article. notworthy.gif  to those marines...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080705D.shtml

Wow, really late post. Plus, I was probably drunk as I said. Anyways, I don't understand the purpose behind your reply? I was saying other units accomplished "as much or more," as the 3rd ID. Your post suggests I said something other than that?

nevermind, mistunderstood

yea, i wasnt trying to protest or contest what you said, i was just quoting what you said at first so that people knew where my reply "topic" came from... but, yea, that unit recieved navy crosses, silver stars, alot of purple hearts and etc, etc... they got alot acomplished especially only for being a "reserve" Unit... Probably got more done than most active units... seeing as thy deff. made Iraq a much safer place... well, much safer than lets say, nov 30th, 2002

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This is just a question, but why does everone want to model the 3rd Infantry Division? Tons of other units accomplished as much or more and they weren't the onle ones who suffered from teh dreaded extensions of OIF 1, either.So what is it?

Note; I am horribly drunk right now.

*edit*

why dont we all foncus on who is really important? And that is paratroopers. Airborne all the way.

FYI.

A marine company by the nickname "Lucky Lima" (Third Battalion, 25th Marines, Fourth Marine Division, 3/25) Single handedly suffered the most cassualties since the war started. Their unit alone suffered 23 casualties, not to mention the marines attached to their unit who died which equalls up to 45 marines in total. they still got the job done which is what the Corps is all about... read up on them, but if anyone wants to talk about "who did the most" or who "deserves" what, you should read this article. notworthy.gif to those marines...

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/080705D.shtml

Wow, really late post. Plus, I was probably drunk as I said. Anyways, I don't understand the purpose behind your reply? I was saying other units accomplished "as much or more," as the 3rd ID. Your post suggests I said something other than that?

nevermind, mistunderstood

yea, i wasnt trying to protest or contest what you said, i was just quoting what you said at first so that people knew where my reply "topic" came from... but, yea, that unit recieved navy crosses, silver stars, alot of purple hearts and etc, etc... they got alot acomplished especially only for being a "reserve" Unit... Probably got more done than most active units... seeing as thy deff. made Iraq a much safer place... well, much safer than lets say, nov 30th, 2002

Ahhhhh, gotcha!

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