CheatIdiots.. and BIS... Question about cheaters..

[mattxr 9]

Been thinking a lot of differnt things. The topic is Cheats..

What would we be doing now without cheats? Would people have the scripting knoloedge that they have now? Proberly not? Im not saying you have to cheat quite the oposite but you can learn from how they cheat and its that what pins the tail on the donkey becuase without cheats there would be no anti-cheats which therefore would be no knologde of how to code a game, edit a game, mods so on so forth.

Its like the sun and rain the planet is both dependet on both but there both differnt in all ways possible. They both ( the rain and sun) complement the masterpiece we call arable soil. Cheats to ArmA is like rain to earth. and Cheats increase game-dynamics in a natural way. If used in the right manour.

Although there is some extream cheats which shouldnt be allowed and no one should ever cheat just think what can learn from these?

anyways   30% of my scripting knolodge unwittinly came from a pack back in the days of 2004/5 and the rest from trial and error and of course sickboy and other mission makers is how i become a good mission maker/scripter

[Jinef 2]

Perhaps if BIS had not marketed the game to 15 year old military fanatics who think the military is the greatest thing ever and wank over pictures of M4s while dressed up in their airsoft uniforms ... then maybe the general maturity level on the servers would increase.

Maybe also if the missions were more inducive to working together and encouraging leadership, people would be less inclined to cheat and spoil it for others.

Essentially, kids will be kids. Just make the game boring for them so they don't bother with it. This sort of discussion should occur on a BF2 forum. Not ArmA.

[Deadfast 43]

Why do you think they've got cheats ?

My guess is that original game is boring for them.

I've played ArmA on public server only once.

I don't remember what mission it was, but there was a Little Bird waiting at the spawn, so I headed its dirrection, but before "Get In" button appeard some idiot teamkilled me (accident ? No way ! ).

I ALT+F4'd 10 seconds later.

[Pauldarrington 9]

thanks for the heads up guys im from kellys heroes clan and we have had an increse in retarted tk'ers and just your basic idoits, over the last few weeks, but we have been keeping an eye on for these scum sucking cheating groups wankers for some time now, we have had a few hardcore hackers but it dosnt take to 2 secs to write #exec ban *****

we have an admin on our server 24/7 so any kind of hackers or those who are bored of the game and just play to tk or cheat they are quickly disposed of just as quickly has they joined,

if you wish to see a few pics we got of hackers doing there thing jump over to www.kellys-heroes.eu and look in our art gallery,

[we are an english based arma clan]

thanks [KH]Pauld

[BloodOmen 0]

I sorta figured that since OFP was flooded with them in its prime years, BI might had made some protection.

Its times like these i look at punkbuster

I know its crazy but it does stop a shit load.

RN's Methods in the past helped with there Anti-Cheat, which did help and got us a few fun games before it was beaten by a new pack.

So far the only 100% proof way of playing online with no cheats ( not worthy of being called hackers ) is to organize with friends and other players and get together on a locked server.

[Dwarden 1125]

for now You need to hope that Crysis demo or open beta is out soon so they move there ...

[BLSmith2112 0]

lmao.

Well.. Crysis IS in the final stages of finishing BETA. Not to mention: It's coming out November 19th + there WILL be a demo before launch... so hopefully looking at September... mark your calenders. Our day of non-cheaters is coming!

Not to mention, with only about 800 players now playin arma... the cheaters will soon lose interest. And we'll have 4-600 loyal ArmA fans.

[1436 1]

1. @Dwarden why u advertiseing crysis?

2. u ban a ip get a keygen and reinall wow that was hard.

3 no bda has the bigest ban list with 230 ids

Why challange ip banning oh i know ur scum sucking cheating groups!

ok ip baning sucks thay can change it id baning sucks u can change that HOw about we do what PB does Hardware id ban

Hard driver serial

mac adress

Video card serial

bla bla

Sound good? or how about bis redo the engine and not make evrything client side so anyone with scripting knolage can make recoils change. fact is evrything is client side converterd over from ofp and bis knew that thay had problums with scum sucking cheating groups before. but the game lived on thay thought.

so anyways thats the onley 2 fixes i see. not hapeing any time soon so ip baning for me thx nite and

Oh no client side that will add 256kb to the server uplaod who cares last time i checked on the server thare wher 53 people on it and it was uploading at 512KB a sec not evan one megabit wow thats nice but kb dont matter Thowput does anywys point is bis went with a old clinet side game.

Swat 4 had this problum people would modifi thare wepons ini file when the patch came out all files wher crc Locked. if thare is a will thare is a way! and il throw 2mil down for the engine fix

Donations start now

[Dwarden 1125]

i'm sure Crysis don't need any advertising, it's soo hyped up that even non gamers knows about it

considering ArmA was hyped here too prior release i got my own opinion about that anyway ...

also why just name Crysis e.g. ET:QW gets released soon too ...

all this drags most active cheaters elsewhere

the problem is that cheat software stays and continue to work anytime some lamer want ...

MAC address banning = useless , please finally DROP that damn stupid idea off surface of planet

(can be changed in BIOS, in LAN ROM, in drivers in ANY OS)

PB hw bans are way more complicated than just use HDD UIDSN

still i'm sad no STEAM nor PB for ArmA ...

[Cam51 0]

Maybe Codemasters will learn from BIS's mistakes, and make a knockout OFP2.

Heres hope'n.

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

Maybe Codemasters will learn from BIS's mistakes, and make a knockout OFP2.

Heres hope'n.

here you are being funny again CAM !

[Crazy_lenny 0]

BIS just does not care. Companies only care about profit and money. The only way to encourage them to implement a key server and PB/VAC support is to hit them where it hurts.... , in their profit...

Just NEVER NEVER NEVER buy anything again from BIS. I know I won't.

[-RE-Monk 0]

No wonder I dont play ArmA anymore...lol thank god for VBS2  

[BLSmith2112 0]

I reinforced my point with a picture in main post:

[76 0]

Hmmmm

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

Changing an IP takes about 3 sec, its no hastle.

[Jack 0]

MAC address banning = useless , please finally DROP that damn stupid idea off surface of planet

(can be changed in BIOS, in LAN ROM, in drivers in ANY OS)

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still i'm sad no STEAM nor PB for ArmA ...

MAC address banning is not useless as I guarantee that at least half of the people using cheats/scripts/malicious software have no idea what it is. If they do they probably fear changing it.

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Steam or PB for ArmA would be awesome, and I'm certainly keeping my hopes up!

Also for those of you who think that BIS, a software development company that has made their games so readily modifiable and accessible to their customers, does not care about this blatant issue - you are wrong. All game companies (and really any business entity in general) cares about the satisfaction of their customers. This is very simply because without you - they would be nothing!

...

Oh wait, they have government contracts from all over the world which probably amounts to more than triple the total revenue of their civilian consumer base. Yeah, we're pretty much f**ked.

We need to stop asking obvious questions and get to work on a server-side plugin that would make life much easier when dealing with morons. Business is business, and just because we are the people that payed for OFP and made BI what they were before the contracts doesn't mean they care, or remember.

[whisper 0]

nvm, I should read more carefully next time

[Dwarden 1125]

some game software like Unreal Engine client reports MAC to game server ...

and from these games it's known that MAC banning is useless waste of time ...

each major cheat site and forum got FAQ with 'How change Your MAC'

so stop arguing over lost case and finally admit it's just another useless step ...

[pmd 0]

I reinforced my point with a picture in main post:

now what if you took out the bottom water tower? NOW THAT WOULD BE COOL!

you can IP/range ban

you can lock your server

you can try and create an "allow list" (why? i have no idea. it's the same damn thing as locking your server)

you can ID ban (thats what we use)

and you can just kick and kick and kick till you get so tired of it you just quit.

there just is no stopping them

cheaters were around sense the begining of OFP and they are still around in OFP even now!

keep on range banning people then eventually nobody will get on your server though... lol

either way, CHEATERS =

[76 0]

Changing an IP takes about 3 sec, its no hastle.

hmm well for us here in Oz, we block whole ranges ie North America and Eurpoe and since that has come into effect we haven't had one incident and that was over 2 months ago and we still have 15 -20 players on both Vs and Coop each night with pings under 100 so it has worked really well for us... too bad for all the US servers I guess...

Also Rambo for most of the nOObs that use hacks, they just dl them from scum sucking cheating groups and the like, they have no idea except how to click a button on their gay little nOOb9000 multihack and for them changing their IP IS a hassle...

[Rambo-16AAB 0]

The worst way to hurt those idiots is not to talk about them in open forums. They crave the atention posts like this generate and they wear any public accusations like a badge on honour.

If you must complain to BIS about idiots like this, do it via PM, that way they dont get the satisfaction from the additional publicity.

[pmd 0]

i was just reading their forums. and for anyone that thinks going on their forums and "asking, bitching, yelling" at them to stop f*cking up our game, it wont do shit! LOL... these guys just dont give two shits!

i'm reading their forums and this was in one of their threads

Quote[/b] ]It seems they are actually allowed to mention "scum sucking cheating groups" in the topic titles now.

I read it all and I have to say it's just drama and comedy rolled into one topic.

Quote[/b] ]o it makes me giggle

Its funny how these ppl dont how responsible scum sucking cheating groups actually are, imagine the hell that would break loose if ALL your hacks were made public domain

Quote[/b] ]Sigh

Such hate,

When will they figure out that ArmA will never be safe from cheating or hacking.

It just will never be.

i can keep on going here. they just dont care... quite sad really. some of these guys cheat because "arma is a beta and they were tricked into buying a beta so BIS must pay"

ban all of them!

[wipman 1]

Hi, i was playing a damn Evolution 3.0 in the Def-Con spanish server

and a hacker entered, began to team kill in the base and in some

objectives, plus create AI's and more things in the base that lagged

the game. I called him (the hacker) homosexual... and suddenly...

a text message appeared like in the chat, saying: Charles Wipman

has been added to the scum sucking cheating groups Server List.

What that means?, that now i wont be able of enter and play in

many servers because i called "homosexual" to a damn hacker!?,

that was team killing the players in the base before start to create

Civilian AI's that lagged the game?. I hope that it don't... .

Let's C ya

[Average Joe 0]

What is needed is an elite group of anti-hackers. TKers against the scum sucking cheating groups'ers guys with the same or higher ability to ruin these children everytime they try to ruin a server